primitives discuss moving to Canada

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028634129

Oh my.

It's not as if the primitives haven't discussed the matter before.

They have; it's just that they never acted on it.

doc03 (18,513 posts)     Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:21 PM

If wanted to move from the USA to Canada permanently what would
 
I have to do?

Joanie Baloney (1,222 posts)      Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:23 PM

1. Head north?
 
Just kidding. Many good sites out there. Start with Google. 

csziggy (22,248 posts)    Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:25 PM 

2. First you have to see if you qualify
 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/ctc-vac/getting-started.asp

doc03 (18,513 posts)      Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:30 PM

3. Gualify? Why do I have to gualify? Why can't
 
I just buy or rent a house and move in?

uppityperson (108,413 posts)      Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:44 PM

4. Undocumented alien route?

Yo_Mama (8,129 posts)     Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:45 PM

5. It's very difficult, esp. if you are older.
 
The best way is to move there on a temp visa and get a job offer, but then you will still have to take a test to demonstrate proficiency in either English or French, pay a fee, and wait forever. I think employers sometimes go through some of it to get temporary permits for their workers.

To get permanent residence you must pass a medical exam by one of their panel doctors. But the doctor doesn't say whether you pass or fail - the doctor sends the results to the bureau, and they decide. In many cases they make your spouse/close family members take the exam also, even if they are not coming with you. That's because once you are approved it is easy to bring in family and they don't want to get stuck with an expensive bill.

If you are older, you can just about forget about it unless you are rich. Then you are allowed in if you invest a certain amount of money, but even that program is backlogged.

People who have applied for Express Entry and some of the other programs have waited for years, and after five years or so sometimes you can get the fees back (but not for medical).

It is very hard to emigrate to Canada or Australia if you are older or have a medical problem - they flat out don't want you. 

sarcasmo (15,486 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 12:07 AM

9. Near impossible if you're older. My friends mother waited a couple years and gave up.
 
Wanted to be closer to the grandchildren, over 60 hang it up.

EllieBC (308 posts)      Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:56 PM

6. You have to be sponsored by a spouse, an employer, be a refugee, or
 
make a rather large investment. You have to be in decent health and AFAIK, you can't have a Criminal record.

It's a long process. My husband was my sponsor and it took 19 months to get my permanent residency (there a couple of stages called - AIP and DM). During that time I was unable to work and had no health care here in BC.

No you can't just move and voila you are a resident. That's not how the world works. There's a process most countries have.

^^^a Canadian primitive obviously not enthusiastic about other primitives moving up there.

Hekate (41,183 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 12:05 AM

7. Go to their immigration website. It will give you all the info on how to do it...
 
...and of course all the requirements. Among other things they want immigrants to be self- supporting -- that's just common sense for any nation.*

Some resumes are more valuable than others. When my husband and I explored the idea during the BushCheney era, we were in our early 50s, which is a bit too close to retirement to be optimal. However my husband speaks both French (he was born in Belgium) and English, which is a plus. He has an MBA. He had a long career as a computer programmar/analyst, and at that time was teaching in that field at the community college/vocational level -- a big plus all around.

I, on the other hand, was only fit to come in as someone's dependent. I had a newly minted PhD -- in Mythological studies. I was dabbling in teaching, but no career in the offing and no credential for anything like K-12. My actual job skills are secretarial/administrative assistant, but no matter how good I was at that, secretaries are a dime a dozen. I can write well and do research, but didn't have a career in it. I also speak only one language.

We are now almost 70. He's still not retired, but I am. We're not going anyplace as immigrants.

*Okay, why isn't it common sense for the United States too?

neverforget (9,333 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 12:06 AM

8. My wife's dad is/was Canadian. She had the chance to have dual citizenship
 
before she was 18. She and I both wish she had gotten it when she could. He passed away in November. 

Aw, too ****ing bad.  She's stuck with us.  Boo-hoo-hoo.

Mariana (4,390 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 02:55 AM

13. She is most likely a citizen, if her father was born in Canada
 
or if he was naturalized there before she was born. Citizenship by descent isn't something you "have a chance to get", either you're a citizen when you're born or you aren't. As I understand it, if one parent was born in Canada, you're a Canadian citizen regardless of where you were born, and it doesn't matter how old you are. If it were me in your wife's place, I'd consider it worth the effort to gather the documentation and submit the form for a citizenship certificate.

PoindexterOglethorpe (1,273 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 01:03 AM

10. I have given some thought to just moving there.
 
Rent an apartment and settle in. I keep on wondering if I'd be outed. If I pay my rent on time, the landlord shouldn't care.

I'm 68, and so I wouldn't be looking for a job, and I have sufficient income that I shouldn't become a burden to the government. The sticking point would be health care. I do not have any chronic illnesses or conditions at this point. I'm very healthy, but (like everyone else) I'm getting older every day. I suspect that if I became seriously ill, or were in an accident requiring hospital treatment, the jig would be up.

The other issue would be eventually renewing my passport, which I could probably do with the help of someone in the states who would be willing to let me use their address as if I still lived there.

At my age I'm probably not even remotely eligible to move there and stay legally. But again, I wonder what would happen if I just went there and didn't leave?

Dallasdem1988 (25 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 02:23 AM

12. Way too difficult
 
From the stories I have heard and research I have done it's super hard.

Why not just go undocumented? Canadians are much more friendly then us people I doubt they would care and it's not like it's doing anything wrong. Not to mention you could claim you are legit in fear after this scary regime took over.

[Adam Wood]

Hekate (41,183 posts)      Sun Feb 12, 2017, 12:05 AM

[....]

I, on the other hand, was only fit to come in as someone's dependent. I had a newly minted PhD -- in Mythological studies.

AYFKM?!?!?!!

 

May as well get a Ph.D. in East African Pygmy lesbian free-form poetry.  Holy crap.

[98ZJUSMC]

That's not how the world works

   Tell us, O spud-for-brains.  Tell us how the world works.....

and of course all the requirements. Among other things they want immigrants to be self- supporting -- that's just common sense for any nation.

Oh, reeeeeeally..  Please continue.

*Okay, why isn't it common sense for the United States too?

*ding!* *ding!* *ding!*

[98ZJUSMC]

I, on the other hand, was only fit to come in as someone's dependent. I had a newly minted PhD -- in Mythological studies.

[Karin]

doc03 (18,513 posts)      Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:30 PM

3. Gualify? Why do I have to gualify? Why can't
 
I just buy or rent a house and move in?

Have you ever seen a more whiney, ignorant post?  Well, don't answer. 

Are they seeing this thread right before their eyes?  Countries have an actual process?  That maybe we should have one too?

And those DUmmies considering going illegally.  Good luck with that great free health care. 

Also:  Why can't that idiot up there spell "qualify?"  She used a g, twice. 

[SVPete]

doc03 (18,513 posts)      Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:30 PM

3. Gualify? Why do I have to gualify? Why can't
 
I just buy or rent a house and move in?

Because Canada actually cares about enforcing its immigration laws. What an ignoranus!

[Texacon]

Questions for any DUmmies reading this topic; IF you moved to Canada illegally and got caught ... would you throw a fit while being deported? 

Would you be bold enough to show up at organized protests carrying an American flag while walking on a Canadian flag?

Would you bitch if they threatened to take away any government assistance you managed to figure out how to get?

Would you be bold enough to speak at public protests and announce your illegal status, and if you did and the Canadian authorities showed up to arrest you, would you call them fascists?

Enquiring minds want to know.

KC

[DLR Pyro]

You DUmmies will have to get in line behind your beloved refugees who already have a headstart on yous guys..

Emerson (Canada) (AFP) - Farhan Ahmed hoped to find refuge in the United States after fleeing death threats in Somalia, but fear over a US crackdown on immigration sent him on another perilous journey -- to Canada.

The 36-year-old was among nearly two dozen asylum seekers who braved bone-chilling cold on a February weekend to walk across the border, trudging through snow-covered prairies in the dead of night to make a claim in this country.

It was a record number of arrivals for a single weekend in the small border town of Emerson, and Canadian officials said Thursday they are bracing for more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/asylum-seekers-fleeing-us-canada-brave-snow-extreme-131134936.html

[SVPete]

You DUmmies will have to get in line behind your beloved refugees who already have a headstart on yous guys..
 https://www.yahoo.com/news/asylum-seekers-fleeing-us-canada-brave-snow-extreme-131134936.html

While the article references an "up to 7.5 mile walk", many of them probably found activists who drove them within a few tens of yards of the border, and let them walk in from there. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that such activists advertise that service in certain ethnic communities.

[freedumb2003b]

No you can't just move and voila you are a resident. That's not how the world works. There's a process most countries have.

But that JUST ISN'T FAIR!!  Based on the DUmmies, any and every country should accept ANYONE from ANYWHERE with no residency required at all!

Where is the OUTRAGE???

[fatboy]

I see that none of the intrepid DUmbasses have made the suggestion that he cast a wider net, perhaps shoot for the awesomeness of living in Mexico.   

[thundley4]

With all this talk about emigrating to Canada, it gave me an idea.

For a long time Mexico has helped invaders from South America to reach the US southern border. Why don't we take it a step further and give Mexicans and people from South America assistance in crossing the Canadian border undetected?

[I_B_Perky]

Will you damned dummies quit talking about it and just do it!!!!

[jukin]

I'd like to tell you all about my schadenboner status but this thread sent it out of radio communications.

[BattleHymn]

I'd like to tell you all about my schadenboner status but this thread sent it out of radio communications.

Mine is nearing the heliopause on its way out into interstellar space.  Had I known it was going to get this yuuuuge, I would have rented out some space on it to NASA for some instrumentation.

[jukin]

Mine is nearing the heliopause on its way out into interstellar space.  Had I known it was going to get this yuuuuge, I would have rented out some space on it to NASA for some instrumentation.

Mine has a 180 second communication delay now.

[freedumb2003b]

I took the "are you eligible to move to Canada" quesionnaire -- no dice:

Your results
Based on the information you provided, the result(s) below indicate(s) whether you may be eligible to come to Canada.

Your Results

We used your answers to see if you may qualify for any of Canada's primary immigration programs. Based on your answers, it appears that you are not eligible to immigrate to Canada at this time under a federal program.

It is possible that a change in your situation could make you eligible (for instance, if you want to study in Canada you may become eligible if you are accepted into a study program). Your specific situation may alter your results.

I told it my age (50s) and that I wanted to start my own company.  I have no relatives.  There was no place to indicate I am a serial slasher or a Republican.

[jukin]

I took the "are you eligible to move to Canada" quesionnaire -- no dice:
I told it my age (50s) and that I wanted to start my own company.  I have no relatives.  There was no place to indicate I am a serial slasher or a Republican.

Yeah cheese heads don't want me either. I have a pretty good NW. Have started, run, employed well over a hundred people, and sold more than 6 small businesses. Next i will say I'm a muzzie that doesn't use TP and have ten wives and 57 kids. Bet I get in then.

[Karin]

^^ Bet you're right.  And Canada is damned stupid. 

[SVPete]

I see that none of the intrepid DUmbasses have made the suggestion that he cast a wider net, perhaps shoot for the awesomeness of living in Mexico.   

I hear Zimbabwe and Cote d'Ivoire are nice, especially this time of the year. I wish the UN would go there, too!

[jukin]

I hear Zimbabwe and Cote d'Ivoire are nice, especially this time of the year. I wish the UN would go there, too!

Venezuela is nice too. They could truly live under the system they so desire. It should be Heaven for a DUchebag.

[Fourwinds]

What's wrong with Mexico? Not white enough?

[franksolich]

What's wrong with Mexico? Not white enough?

Correctomundo; it's not white enough.

Usually the only place down there the primitives ever think about moving to is Costa Rica, possibly the most "white" of all the Latin American countries.