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poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« on: February 11, 2017, 05:35:10 PM »
With a major dam near Sacramento about to burst, apparently the governor of California is asking President Trump for help from Washington.

Assistance of a humanitarian nature might be okay, but what about help rebuilding the thing, which is likely to cost billions, and even more so given the corrupt nature of California government?

These people--or rather, a substantial number of them--want to secede from the rest of us; they don't like us any more.

Is it wise to invest U.S. taxpayer dollars in an enormous capital expenditure that we're going to have to give away anyway?

I think every single Californian of voting age should take a solemn and sworn and binding oath, under penalty of long and rigorous imprisonment, to the United States of America, to pledge to stay with us, and to the principle that this is one nation, indivisible. 

Otherwise, not one damned dime.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2017, 05:38:43 PM »
They want to be separate, let them learn what that truly means.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 05:50:19 PM »
I live in California and say let them fend for themselves.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2017, 06:16:09 PM »
Frank. i just stole your idea and posted this over at DI. I love the very concept!
http://www.discussionist.com/10151175403

my vote is for relief only and no rebuilding (no session yet). but i want to see Jerry Brown crawl to Trump and beg for the cash first.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2017, 06:20:36 PM »
I'd be in favor of limited foreign aid to Mexifornia.  Only enough to ensure no loss of life, conservatives before pets and livestock, but all animals before liberal scuzz.  Also, have the minimal aid delivered by federal marshals armed with arrest warrants for Governor Moonbeam and all of his fellow lawbreakers.  Especially the dipshit who proclaimed half his family would be arrested under President Trump's authorization for our majorly frustrated ICE agents to actually ENFORCE the immigration laws already on the books!
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2017, 06:24:15 PM »
Because of past practices we have taken on the obligation to save them.  Somebody has to carry their worthless asses or none of the helpless losers would live to see adulthood.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2017, 06:30:46 PM »
Frank. i just stole your idea and posted this over at DI. I love the very concept!
http://www.discussionist.com/10151175403

my vote is for relief only and no rebuilding (no session yet). but i want to see Jerry Brown crawl to Trump and beg for the cash first.

As for the Bozo over there indignantly demanding a link to any request the governor of California has made re: rebuilding the dam.

There isn't any.  Yet.  At present, he just wants a declaration of disaster, and humanitarian aid.

But trust me, he's gonna ask.  Wait, watch, and see if I'm not right.

<<<has a 100% of being right.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2017, 06:39:51 PM »
Nope.

Sink, assholes. ....... and then, you can wonder what happened to your retardopia.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2017, 06:44:23 PM »
Frank. i just stole your idea and posted this over at DI. I love the very concept!
http://www.discussionist.com/10151175403

my vote is for relief only and no rebuilding (no session yet). but i want to see Jerry Brown crawl to Trump and beg for the cash first.

Ask the other Bozo over there--I can't--what the governor of California wants $200 million for.

It's to repair the dam, stupid.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2017, 06:56:57 PM »
As for the Bozo over there indignantly demanding a link to any request the governor of California has made re: rebuilding the dam.

There isn't any.  Yet.  At present, he just wants a declaration of disaster, and humanitarian aid.

But trust me, he's gonna ask.  Wait, watch, and see if I'm not right.

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done and done. the libs are real sourpusses tonight. must come from getting grabbed so often.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2017, 06:58:25 PM »
done and done. the libs are real sourpusses tonight. must come from getting grabbed so often.

Thanks, sir.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2017, 07:03:36 PM »
no problem! and their indignation is the icing on the cake!

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2017, 07:04:17 PM »
I'd be in favor of limited foreign aid to Mexifornia.  Only enough to ensure no loss of life, conservatives before pets and livestock, but all animals before liberal scuzz.  Also, have the minimal aid delivered by federal marshals armed with arrest warrants for Governor Moonbeam and all of his fellow lawbreakers.  Especially the dipshit who proclaimed half his family would be arrested under President Trump's authorization for our majorly frustrated ICE agents to actually ENFORCE the immigration laws already on the books!
The whole useless bunch can stay together as a familia.  IN MEXICO.  DUH!

No.  NONE.  NADA.  ZIP.

...and that goes for the rest of the ****ing planet.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2017, 07:06:50 PM »
I'm in moonbat central. Let us dealwith the left when the shitpile comes apart.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2017, 07:18:07 PM »
Oh now, that's rich, really rich, that third Bozo on the thread, who insists it's silly to dislike all the people in a certain geographic region.

Which of course it is, but I don't suppose he's literate enough to have noticed just about everybody here's made an exception for the decent and civilized people of California, of which there's many, all of them likeable.

At the same time, we got all these primitives disliking all people from the south, all people from rural and small-town America.....
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2017, 09:36:51 PM »
no problem! and their indignation is the icing on the cake!

Another Bozo over there just claimed Oroville is "far away" from Sacramento.

Ahem.

Maybe by effete eastern standards, 68 miles is "far away."

California's a pretty big state; 68 miles ain't nothing in California.

Even here in Nebraska, smaller than California, 68 miles while not "next door," is hardly "far away."
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2017, 09:43:54 PM »
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2017, 09:47:12 PM »
Man, you have to hand it to the buzzy one, who's got to be one of the most lonely Democrats, liberals, and primitives in the world.

First, along with my fellow alum Skins and the brooklynite primitive, he's one of only three rational primitives on Skins's island.

And then on DU Jr., among the leftward-slanting members, he's the only one who's got brains.

I hope he's used to being a solitary, because he doesn't have much company.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2017, 09:51:19 PM »
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2017, 12:44:04 AM »
Hmmm....

Dam near Sacramento near bursting due to heavy rains?  Here's an idea: why don't you let some of the farmers to the sough have some of that water that you've been denying them?  Seems like a reasonable solution to me.

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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2017, 08:56:13 AM »
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2. Assistance of a humanitarian nature might be okay, but what about help rebuilding the thing, 3. which is likely to cost billions, and even more so given the corrupt nature of California government?

1. These people--or rather, a substantial number of them--want to secede from the rest of us; they don't like us any more.

1. As I said on another thread, this proposition has not even qualified for the ballot, let alone been voted on and passed. The MSM won't cover people who oppose that lunatic idea because we're boringly normal and because Trump. Just because the MSM won't show us doesn't mean we don't exist. So no one knows how many CA'ians are that stupid. Invalid premise, invalid conclusion.

2. As I said on another thread, CA'ians' share of Federal taxes went to "Assistance of a humanitarian nature" in the Gulf and Atlantic states (and Hawaii) when they were hit by hurricanes. CA'ians' share of Federal taxes went to aid central US states hit by tornados. CA'ians' share of Federal taxes went to aid central, northern, and northeastern US states hit by massive snowstorms. It's called being a state of the US, and CA has done its share.

3. While I'm confident of CA bureaucracy's ability to double or triple costs, the estimate I saw yesterday was $100M. Not pocket change, obviously, but an order of magnitude lower than "billions". But, since we're talking "billions", how much did Hurricane Katrina cost? How much damage was done in the 2013 Moore, OK tornado (hint, it's 10 figures)? Well, CA's taxpayers paid their share of "Assistance of a humanitarian nature".

Hmmm....

Dam near Sacramento near bursting due to heavy rains?  Here's an idea: why don't you let some of the farmers to the sough have some of that water that you've been denying them?  Seems like a reasonable solution to me.

1.) Are you aware that there are farmers in the Sacramento Valley, just as there are in the San Joaquin Valley? They irrigate their lands, too. And just as there are significant cities in the San Joaquin Valley, there are significant cities in the Sacramento Valley. Strangely, the residents of those Sacramento Valley cities drink water, too.

2.) Are you aware that, just as the Sacramento Valley is named for the Sacramento River, the San Joaquin Valley is named for the  San Joaquin River? And just as the Sacramento has tributaries like the American and Feather Rivers, the San Joaquin has at least one significant tributary, the Merced?

3.) Ever heard of the Delta Mendota Canal? It takes water from the Delta - much of it from the Sacramento River,obviously - all the way south into Fresno County (you know that's in the southern part of the Central Valley, right?).

4.) Are you aware that San Joaquin Valley farmers' drought of the past 5-10 years was court-ordered? By FEDERAL courts? Don't blame NorCal for that. Blame the Enviros and FEDERAL courts that used the Endangered Species Act to deny water to San Joaquin Valley farmers. ETA: BTW, if you were alluding to the long debated (5+ decades in various versions of the proposal) Peripheral Canal, this court order would have made it irrelevant, since the water would have come from the delta, whose salinity - suitability for the Delta Smelt - was the primary factor in this infamous court decision.

5.) Had you been less ignorant in your accusation, the tone of my response would not have been sarcastic. You drop your accusatory tone and I'll gladly drop my sarcasm. OK?
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2017, 10:00:24 AM »
It's grammy night in So Cal and all of the tolerant, peace loving liberal "stars" will be out tonight bashing conservatives in general and Trump in particular for being cold hearted and mean spirited. 

I suggest they put their money where their mouths are and pony up the $$$ that governor moonbeam is demanding to show how compassionate they are.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2017, 10:09:25 AM »
It's grammy night in So Cal and all of the tolerant, peace loving liberal "stars" will be out tonight bashing conservatives in general and Trump in particular for being cold hearted and mean spirited. 

I suggest they put their money where their mouths are and pony up the $$$ that governor moonbeam is demanding to show how compassionate they are.

Works for me! The larger the % of repair $$ that comes directly from CA, the less $$ for the repair is diminished by Federal bureaucratic overhead. BTW, since Caltrans isn't in the picture, that might lessen the cost estimate overrun. Caltrans was a big reason the new SF Bay Bridge took so bleeping long, cost so bleeping much, and its safety is so bleeping dubious.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2017, 01:33:04 PM »
Nah. Let them save themselves.
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Re: poll: are we obligated to save the primitives of California?
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2017, 02:51:29 PM »
I'm torn between saying "They put themselves in this, they can get themselves out," and saying that the state did help out other parts of the country when they had natural disasters.  Our President is a deal-maker.  Maybe he can make a deal with CA where they drop opposition to the various actions that President Trump wants to take, in exchange for the Federal aid . . . :fuelfire:

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