Brand new MIHOP opening up in Berkeley

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DonViejo (23,080 posts)

Did Yiannopoulos secretly send more than 100 thugs to Berkeley to break up his own speech?
By Paul Cassell February 6 at 9:17 AM

Last week, more than 100 masked thugs invaded the University of California at Berkeley campus and forced the cancellation of a speech by Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos. All credible reports have suggested that these thugs were not Berkeley students, but were instead outside anarchist agitators intent on keeping Yiannopoulos from speaking. For example, The Post had this description:

Text from story

The agitators set fires and caused more than $100,000 in damage to the campus.

more
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/06/did-yiannopoulos-secretly-send-more-than-one-hundred-thugs-to-berkeley-to-break-up-his-own-speech/?utm_term=.6afc3d001502&wpisrc=nl_popns&wpmm=1

Followed by a second post full of more nonsense. And now for some replies:

applegrove (74,511 posts)
4. I have no idea who those organized criminals were. But the implication

Yiannopoulous would have had to organize them himself is absolutely ridiculous. The right wing are opportunists. Who is getting all those slurs and robotcalls to Jewish synagogue? Obviously some opportunists who are organized and take advantage of an event, in this case that there are synagogue in lots of places, and organize the crimes. Could be organic. But they are exploiting an opportunity. Yiannopoulous speaking is just such an opportunity. He would have nothing to do with any planning.

Sen. Walter Sobchak (7,838 posts)
19. Useful idiots are in abundance

People on this very website have said they don't really care if their little public performances are aiding the Republicans.

Initech (56,857 posts)
8. Can he be arrested for that?

If it was proven that he paid those thugs to intentionally disrupt, could he be prosecuted for inciting a riot? The question is how do you prove that?

I'm sure you want to have him arrested anyway, just because he doesn't agree with you. Just make up some charges. You're good at that sort of thing.

jmg257 (7,966 posts)
10. Doubt its an issue..."There is no way Yiannopoulos organized these protests"...

subjecting himself to serious criminal liability and placing the fate of his career on the sealed lips of more than 100 conspirators. Instead, the simplest explanation is the correct one: The persons responsible are left-wing anarchists,


But what's weird is that no one seems to know for sure who/why they are.

politicat (8,960 posts)
30. It's really not that hard to organize a bunch of MRAs. They've done it before.

Private reddit channels, Discord and Slack make it fairly easy. They understand cells, too. There's a significant overlap between MRA, alt-right and body-building -- MRAs are not universally bitter, middle-aged divorced men. Rather few of them, in fact.

Are there anarchists in that group? Sure, some. Lots of authoritarian libertarians and social arsonists, too.

These assholes have been gearing up for this for almost three years -- they started with G'Gate, which so many in progressive-doom refused to take seriously -- just a bunch of geeks being jerks online, right? Not at all. They were stalking, doxxing and directly threatening hundreds of people. They're organized. They've had practice.

ornotna (5,019 posts)
2. Like the man said

"I wouldn’t bet against it."

Dallasdem1988 (9 posts)
3. Not right wingers

I don't doubt that we have seen and will continue to see government instigators try and discredit resist like they did occupy. But as with occupy anyone who spent any real time protesting(I camped with occupy Austin for weeks) black bloc anarchists are the extreme nasty left.
They make the BoB's seem tolerable. They believe now is the time for violence against what they see(maybe correctly) as a fascist take over.

The problem is they will give trump a very real reichstag fire if we don't shut these people down. They are as impossible to reason with as wingnuts and see us as complicit and therefor part of the problem.

ck4829 (17,478 posts)
6. Mr. Yiannopoulos has borderline personality disorder, playing the victim and projection are key

We have the motive and some of the things sound just a little bit too convenient.

Question is - Can Breitbart get organized enough to pull something like this off?

2naSalit (15,960 posts)
29. Sure they could.

No doubt about it. They have $$ to throw around, I wouldn't be surprised if they were paid. But they certainly have a large and passionate enough audience where it would probably be pretty easy to recruit a small mob who could get into smashing stuff and lighting fires, etc..

Raster (16,142 posts)
7. Milo will do ANYTHING to pump up his importance....

...these were definitely OUTSIDE AGITATORS, and NOT Berkeley students.

Bannon's Breitbart Brownshirts.

anneboleyn (3,620 posts)
9. I really wish UC B would investigate this as I have suspected this about Milo for a long time

It has been a rumor for some time now that Milo hires agitators in order to get attention (as his "talks" attract agitators who seem to "mysteriously disappear," which is exactly what happened in this case). Milo gets the attention he desperately, wildly, recklessly, craves -- including a ****ing threat towards Berkeley from the (so-called!) president. Other alt-righters have been accused of this recently, like Richard Spencer (who was punched by a person during the inauguration protests that he *may* have paid -- that is a rumor anyway). In Spencer's case it backfired; it is time for Milo to be held accountable for his bullshit.

UC Berkeley lost $$$$$ and has to deal with damaged property and now ridiculous threats from the idiot Orange. They should investigate, and if there is ANY truth to it, they should sue that asshole Milo for every dollar they can get.

rickford66 (1,476 posts)
18. They are never arrested in the acts of violence.

Peaceful protesters are arrested all the time. None of this violence happened at Tea Party rallies. I'm trying to connect the dots.

What does that tell y...oh, never mind. Those blind squirrels will never find that nut.

former9thward (17,773 posts)
21. Yet another CT without a particle of evidence.

The OP is full of falsehoods. No these people are not "outsiders". Berkely is full of anarchists, some students, some not, as anyone who has been to the city knows. Do right wingers commit violence? Yes. And so do lefties as anyone in their right mind knows.

wildeyed (10,303 posts)
23. Follow the money...

Who benefits from riots? Breitbart! They are pathological attention whores who are willing to lie, cheat and steal. They perceive themselves as master manipulators. OF COURSE they would use agent provocateurs and then go whine about how mean they are on Fox as a way to get at their political enemies.

diane in sf (3,103 posts)
32. Probably hired Blackwater thugs provided by Eric Prince, De Vos's brother

Warren DeMontague (76,085 posts)
33. Would not surprise me one bit.

The vehemence with which some supposedly on the "left" want to silence and shut this guy down leaves me scratching my head, to be honest.

While he's a troll, his statements and views are certainly no worse than, say, Ann Coulter's.

And yet he seems to magically be able to generate these almost textbook examples of pro-censorship left wing authoritarianism that he rails against. I doubt it's anything as elaborate as a plot to do away with federal funding of universities, but it certainly will sell more of his books.

[USA4ME]

I'm very sure most the world knows that Bezerkeley is a hot-bed for radical libs, so that anyone would need to instigate what comes natural to a bunch of hate-filled kooks comes off as sounding like you refuse to recognize what everyone else already knows exists at Cal. Not gonna work, primitives.

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[SVPete]

 

I see "DonViejo" didn't read the WashPost article he posted and linked! Nor did responding DU-members!

Toward the end of the article is this summation paragraph (my emphasis):

To even describe the plot is to make clear how phantasmagorical the whole idea is. Occam’s razor applies here. Or, as medical students are taught, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras. There is no way Yiannopoulos organized these protests, subjecting himself to serious criminal liability and placing the fate of his career on the sealed lips of more than 100 conspirators. Instead, the simplest explanation is the correct one: The persons responsible are left-wing anarchists, as the New York Times (among others) has described in this recent article.

Maybe if "DonViejo" knew the history of the Volokh Conspiracy blog he would have been wary enough to read the whole article.

 

[98ZJUSMC]

ermegherd......................   

Sen. Walter Sobchak (7,838 posts)
19. Useful idiots are in abundance

Yes.  We read you, every day.

Warren DeMontague (76,085 posts)
33. Would not surprise me one bit.

The vehemence with which some supposedly on the "left" want to silence and shut this guy down leaves me scratching my head, to be honest.

While he's a troll, his statements and views are certainly no worse than, say, Ann Coulter's.

And yet he seems to magically be able to generate these almost textbook examples of pro-censorship left wing authoritarianism that he rails against. ....and?  I doubt it's anything as elaborate as a plot to do away with federal funding of universities, but it certainly will sell more of his books.

See?  Reality is clubbing you, relentlessly, about the head and shoulders.  Do you understand?

Magic?  Nooooooo.......

wildeyed (10,303 posts)
23. Follow the money... already been done, cupcake.

Who benefits from riots? Breitbart! They are pathological attention whores who are willing to lie, cheat and steal. They perceive themselves as master manipulators. OF COURSE they would use agent provocateurs and then go whine about how mean they are on Fox as a way to get at their political enemies.

rickford66 (1,476 posts)
18. They are never arrested in the acts of violence.

Peaceful protesters are arrested all the time. None of this violence happened at Tea Party rallies. I'm trying to connect the dots.

I doubt it, but perhaps you're having the slightest inkling of an epiphany? 

Probably not.

[SVPete]

rickford66 (1,476 posts)
18. They are never arrested in the acts of violence.

Peaceful protesters are arrested all the time. None of this violence happened at Tea Party rallies. I'm trying to connect the dots.

Actually, there probably was some anti-TEA Party violence, once Libs/Progs took them seriously.

But don't go connecting real dots. You won't like the picture they form.

[Carl]

The face of insanity.

[SVPete]

Whether by educratic and mayoral collusion or blinding stupidity, the no-arrests ROE for the police were LIHOP. And UC educrats and Berserkeley city "government" is all but cutting-edge Prog.

[Adam Wood]

But what's weird is that no one seems to know for sure who/why they are.

Attention, moron:

Occupy Oakland organized this on twitter.  They proudly proclaimed that they were going to disrupt Milo's appearance twelve hours in advance, and they proudly declared "victory" after the riots were over.


Yes, we most certainly do know who they are: they're DUmmies who crawled out of the basement long enough to engage in violence because that's how Leftists roll.  Leftists are fascists, DUmmies.  Time to accept that reality.

[landofconfusion80]

What on earth is an authoritarian libertarian?

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[Big Dog]

What on earth is an authoritarian libertarian?

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It's a unicorn that lives in the disordered imaginations of DUmmies.

[landofconfusion80]

It's a unicorn that lives in the disordered imaginations of DUmmies.

Among other things...

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[SVPete]

For improved accuracy:

It's a unicorn named Oxy Moron that lives in the disordered and ignorant fantasies of DUmmies.

Oxymorons like "authoritarian libertarian" are what happens when ignorami use ideas as epithets without understanding those ideas. A real libertarian would laugh at the phrase. And a real authoritarian would try to purge the libertarians from his/her following, even if such libertarians had to be invented.

[landofconfusion80]

So a liberal that sides with socialists, unions, and supports their country would be a nazi, correct? (National socialist workers union)

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[Big Dog]

For improved accuracy:

Oxymorons like "authoritarian libertarian" are what happens when ignorami use ideas as epithets without understanding those ideas. A real libertarian would laugh at the phrase. And a real authoritarian would try to purge the libertarians from his/her following, even if such libertarians had to be invented.

 

[Big Dog]

So a liberal that sides with socialists, unions, and supports their country would be a nazi, correct? (National socialist workers union)

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[DumbAss Tanker]

Brand new MIHOP opening up in Berkeley

I see what you did there.

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

What on earth is an authoritarian libertarian?

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It's an offshoot of the small government fascism  movement.

[SVPete]

Oopsie! Reality is jamming Ds'/Libs'/Progs' fan blades again! I especially like this quote from a Berserkeley student (emphasis in the original):

As far as Robert Reich never having seen these people before? He’s an idiot and he’s full of s***. I myself have taken his class.

Predictably, it's not the the MSM who are doing the work to learn and publish the truth.

[Ptarmigan]

DonViejo (23,080 posts)

Did Yiannopoulos secretly send more than 100 thugs to Berkeley to break up his own speech?
By Paul Cassell February 6 at 9:17 AM

Last week, more than 100 masked thugs invaded the University of California at Berkeley campus and forced the cancellation of a speech by Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos. All credible reports have suggested that these thugs were not Berkeley students, but were instead outside anarchist agitators intent on keeping Yiannopoulos from speaking. For example, The Post had this description:

Text from story

The agitators set fires and caused more than $100,000 in damage to the campus.

more
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/06/did-yiannopoulos-secretly-send-more-than-one-hundred-thugs-to-berkeley-to-break-up-his-own-speech/?utm_term=.6afc3d001502&wpisrc=nl_popns&wpmm=1

[SVPete]

The agitators set fires and caused more than $100,000 in damage to the campus.

more
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/06/did-yiannopoulos-secretly-send-more-than-one-hundred-thugs-to-berkeley-to-break-up-his-own-speech/?utm_term=.6afc3d001502&wpisrc=nl_popns&wpmm=1

Seeing the URL reminded me that the author of the article linked on DU, Paul Cassell, actually demolished the conspiracy theory DU-folk so loved. And, of course, facts have since become known that have made Robert Reich look as stupid as he is, and rendered the conspiracy theory Jefferson's Ghost-grade .

[Big Dog]

It's an offshoot of the small government fascism  movement.