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agenasolva (22 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028604693BREAKING: The House can start impeachment against Trump nowMuch of the public is eager for the impeachment of President Trump. A poll last week found that 40 percent of Americans already “support” impeaching him, and the same survey — by highly regarded Public Policy Polling — found that another 12 percent are “not sure.” From the outset of his presidency, Trump has been violating the U.S. Constitution in a way that we have not seen before and should not tolerate. It’s time for members of Congress to get the impeachment process underway. The Constitution states that to start impeachment proceedings, a document or “resolution calling for a committee investigation of charges against the officer in question” must be introduced in the House of Representatives. Such a move would have been appropriate from the moment that Trump became president. As documented in depth on the ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org website — where more than 600,000 people have already signed a petition for impeachment — the president continues to violate two “emoluments” clauses in the Constitution. One prohibits any gifts or benefits from foreign governments, and the other prohibits the same from the U.S. government or any U.S. state. ..... [link:http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/318045-the-house-can-start-impeachment-against-trump-now|28
agenasolva (22 posts) 3. How could there be no grounds? He's violating the ConstituionOn top of being a tyrant dictator
alarimer (14,833 posts) 21. There are at least as many grounds as there were for Clinton.Starting with his conflicts of interest. But maybe we just need to wait until it is obvious that he has benefited personally from a decision. I think there are bigger grounds for his being unfit under Amendment 25, section 4. He is unfit.
Star Member elleng (73,887 posts) 7. High crimes and misdemeanorsLearn all about it. 'High crimes and misdemeanors is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." "High" in the legal and common parlance of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries of "high crimes" signifies activity by or against those who have special duties acquired by taking an oath of office that are not shared with common persons. A high crime is one that can only be done by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice. The phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" when used together was a common phrase at the time the U.S. Constitution was written and did not mean any stringent or difficult criteria for determining guilt. It meant the opposite. The phrase was historically used to cover a very broad range of crimes. The Judiciary Committee's 1974 report "The Historical Origins of Impeachment" stated: "'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' has traditionally been considered a 'term of art', like such other constitutional phrases as 'levying war' and 'due process.' The Supreme Court has held that such phrases must be construed, not according to modern usage, but according to what the framers meant when they adopted them. Chief Justice Marshall wrote of another such phrase: It is a technical term. It is used in a very old statute of that country whose language is our language, and whose laws form the substratum of our laws. It is scarcely conceivable that the term was not employed by the framers of our constitution in the sense which had been affixed to it by those from whom we borrowed it." The constitutional convention adopted “high crimes and misdemeanors” with little discussion. Most of the framers knew the phrase well. Since 1386, the English parliament had used the term “high crimes and misdemeanors” to describe one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.'>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors
Star Member Blue Idaho (4,288 posts) 19. Trump is the battering ramIt's his job to write as many controversial EOs as possible. As soon as his negatives get high enough - the republicans will impeach him and install Pence as their long term resident of the Oval Office.
Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (1,219 posts) 20. Calling for his impeachment at this point is truly jumping the gun.Yes, he's done some awful things, but at this point he still has the support of almost all the Congressional Republicans. Not to mention the Congressional Democrats who naively think they can work with him. The fools. We're going to have to experience something so awful that it is obvious to the most casual observer that he deserves removal from office. Perhaps if the trip to Great Britain actually happens, he'll try to kiss the Queen on the cheek, because he did the same with Michelle Obama. He's completely oblivious to most standards of decent behavior, and he probably hasn't a clue that the Queen is vastly different from a First Lady. If he does touch the Queen, other than to shake hands, he'll be immediately reviled by every single Brit and most every other sentient human on the planet. THAT'S the sort of thing, as trivial as it might seem right now, that will finally push the Congressional Republicans over the edge. Not that I'm predicting that specific event. Anyone here can think of many equally plausible scenarios. My point is, that the little things will add up rather quickly. Personally, I give him about six months.
Star Member elleng (73,887 posts)7. High crimes and misdemeanorsLearn all about it.
Much of the public is eager for the impeachment of President Trump. A poll last week found that 40 percent of Americans already “support” impeaching him, and the same survey — by highly regarded Public Policy Polling — found that another 12 percent are “not sure.”
