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primitives discuss what we need
« on: February 01, 2017, 10:07:28 PM »
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bigtree (66,254 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:33 PM

We need a series of national strikes, work stoppages. We need our own 'nuclear option'
 
...accompanied by Senate and congressional walkouts.

Do Democrats have a 'nuclear option... or are we just resigned to this defensive helplessness?

There needs to be consequence to Trump's drive forward; a forceful response to his eviscerating rights, benefits, regulations, international relationships.

Any cooperation with this administration is complicity with the worst of his presidency and agenda. We saw republicans in the Senate today change rules and allow nominees to be voted out on republican votes alone.

We also saw republicans and Trump encourage a 'nuclear option' eliminating the 60-vote threshhold for Supreme Court nominees, after blocking Obama's choice for a year. Democrats need to cut all ties to this anti-democratic takeover.

Americans collectively suspending all commerce and labor will send the message nationally and worldwide that we're not part and parcel of Donald Trump's and republicans' dismantling of democracy. 

Oh dear.  It sounds rather bad, rather dreadful.

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KittyWampus (53,930 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:34 PM
^^^one of the really fat primitives

1. February 17th.

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Chasstev365 (2,408 posts)    Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:35 PM

2. Yep! If the Republicans keep behaving like this, we need to put THEM on notice and remind them:
 
YOU WORK FOR US; NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! 

Slow down, dude.  I think they work for us on this side too.

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dhill926 (5,152 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:49 PM

3. I agree...
 
didn't before. Thought it would be a last gasp kind of thing....now I think we're there. Insane.

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PoindexterOglethorpe (1,192 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:54 PM

5. I have likewise been thinking that what this country needs is a general strike,
 
one in which most people don't go to work for a day.

In reality, that would be very hard to pull off. For one thing, working people do not see themselves as having much in common with other workers. That old individuality thing.

Plus, you'd need to exclude health care workers, police, and fire fighters. Probably teachers also.

Perhaps a series of strikes could be organized, either a particular category of workers one day, another category the second. Say bus drivers, then fast food workers, then retail clerks. Or a general strike in NYC one day, Boston another, DC yet another.

Again, I find it hard to imagine such a thing actually happening, even though it might actually get through to the evil overlords that we're fed up with their shenanigans.

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butdiduvote (22 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:55 PM

6. How do we do it, though? And how do we get enough other people to participate?
 
I'm in favor of doing something truly disruptive to the functioning of the country, but I'm not smart enough to know what that would be.
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 12:29:47 AM »
Minor point, but don't you have to have a job to participate in a work stoppage or strike?
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 01:04:44 AM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on February 02, 2017, 12:29:47 AM
Minor point, but don't you have to have a job to participate in a work stoppage or strike?

When reading this thread, I felt as if I were back in college again, learning about Britain during the 1920s; Labour, General Strike, Trades Unions, work stoppages, whatnot.

Here we are, now nearly a fifth into the 21st century, and the primitives are still mired down in the last century, trying to apply old and failed remedies to new problems.
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 03:24:53 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on February 02, 2017, 01:04:44 AM
When reading this thread, I felt as if I were back in college again, learning about Britain during the 1920s; Labour, General Strike, Trades Unions, work stoppages, whatnot.

Here we are, now nearly a fifth into the 21st century, and the primitives are still mired down in the last century, trying to apply old and failed remedies to new problems.


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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 03:37:26 AM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on February 02, 2017, 03:24:53 AM

- Roger L Simon on the Berkeley "anarchists"

It's kind of like how, when talking about the "bloated" defense budget, the primitives have a grotesquely distorted notion of how large it really is, as their heads are still stuck back in 1968 and before, when the defense budget was actually the largest part of the federal budget.

They have no idea how small it is now.
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 03:45:18 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on February 02, 2017, 03:37:26 AM
It's kind of like how, when talking about the "bloated" defense budget, the primitives have a grotesquely distorted notion of how large it really is, as their heads are still stuck back in 1968 and before, when the defense budget was actually the largest part of the federal budget.

They have no idea how small it is now.

They don't.  You could show them how, with graphs and figures, that it is dwarfed by the entitlement slice, but ...... rEicHwIngtAlKiNgpoInTS!!11111eLeBinTy!!111
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 05:16:22 AM »
I read a thread the other day, in which one DUmmie after another proclaimed himself to be age 71.  They really are still stuck. 

So Feb 17th is supposed to be their not-one-damn-dime day.  I guess we know what to do. 

And their laughable general labor strikes.  Do they know how replaceable people are, while we dig ourselves out of this awful Oconomy? 
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 07:00:05 AM »
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dhill926 (5,152 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:49 PM

3. I agree...
 
didn't before. Thought it would be a last gasp kind of thing....now I think we're there. Insane.

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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 07:45:50 AM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on February 02, 2017, 12:29:47 AM
Minor point, but don't you have to have a job to participate in a work stoppage or strike?

I, for one, would welcome ALL DUmmies, employed or not, to not go to work that day. Should be fairly easy for the bosses to identify the first casualties for firing
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2017, 08:42:40 AM »
Wouldn't a general work strike require having jobs?

And wouldn't they need to schedule a general buying strike to coincide with their EBT cards being replenished?
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2017, 09:26:02 AM »
What we really need?


A permanent schadenboner is the new normal with all the winning going on. What we really need is a term for the condition that exceeds the schadenboner. 
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 09:47:28 AM »

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...accompanied by Senate and congressional walkouts.


yeah, that's worked so well for you bozos this week... :whatever:
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2017, 10:06:26 AM »
Quote from: FiddyBeowulf on February 02, 2017, 09:26:02 AM
What we really need?


A permanent schadenboner is the new normal with all the winning going on. What we really need is a term for the condition that exceeds the schadenboner.

Winning squared? :whistling:
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2017, 11:07:54 AM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on February 02, 2017, 09:47:28 AM

yeah, that's worked so well for you bozos this week... :whatever:

And in Madison, WI several years ago.
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Re: primitives discuss what we need
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 04:44:12 PM »
Quote from: SVPete on February 02, 2017, 11:07:54 AM
And in Madison, WI several years ago.
You mean that Scott Walker wasn't removed from office yet?
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