Resectfully disagree Mr. BainsBane . .

[FaC]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028528220

BainsBane (39,171 posts)

Why Sanders' praise of Trump over TPP is so dangerous

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/23/sanders-praises-trump-for-nixing-tpp-delighted-to-work-with-him-on-pro-worker-policies/?utm_term=.5508e29a589a

Progressives oppose TPP because they see it as destructive to American jobs. Trump seized on that point during the campaign to make political leverage for himself. Opposition to TPP from Bernie Sanders and progressives was a principled stand in defense of the livelihood of American workers. But to assume Trump's opposition to TPP comes from the same place is badly mistaken. In the same speeches in which Trump denounced TPP, he talked about how the US had too many regulations on business, that corporations left the US to go to countries where taxes and regulations (including environmental and worker protections) were more favorable. Trump's opposition to TPP is not that it deprives American workers of good jobs but that it regulates too much.

Bernie's statement is dangerous because it assumes that opposition to TPP is in and of itself pro-worker. But different groups opposed TPP for different reasons, and Trump's opposition is that the treaty imposed regulations on business that he thinks are illegitimate. Now that Bernie has praised Trump's executive order ending negotiations on TPP, some of his supporters are convinced that Trump's actions are in the interest of workers. I saw responses to that effect in a thread in LBN.

Yet on the very day that Trump signed that executive order, he also announced to corporate America that he would undo 75% of regulations on them, and those regulations include worker and environmental protections.

Put your admiration (or dislike) for Bernie aside for the moment. Ask yourselves if you really believe that Trump is acting in the interest of American workers. Look at his cabinet appointments and his positions on taxes, abolishing the minimum wage, raising interest rates on FHA mortgages.

Don't let anyone lull you into complacency toward Trump and his unequivocally pro-Trump (which means pro-capital) agenda. He isn't in office to make US workers' lives better. He's there for himself and the Kremlin. There isn't a pro-worker bone in his body. Don't ever forget that.

PHDD is worried that DUmmies will look at Trump pulling out of the TPP as something good and will accept Bernie's praise of that decision.

However, this is the crown jewel of the thread - I am waiting for the reaction   

FairWinds (1,337 posts)
25. Resectfully disagree Mr. BainsBane . .

First, why would we want to take Dem Party advice from the
Bezos owned WaPo?

Second, it was Dem Third Way globalism that cost them the
election and put Trump in the White House.

Bernie gets that trade deals are fine, but only if they respect
labor rights and the environment, do not use ISDS, are not
drafted in secret, and do not enrich big pharma or copyright
holders.

Is Fairwinds deliberately trying to poke the bear?

[Carl]

That is why we call her a stupid scrunt.

[SVPete]

Let me see if I follow BB's "logic". Trump did what Progs see as the right thing. Trump did it for what Progs see as the right reason. Therefore Trump must be hated.

[franksolich]

.....Ask yourselves if you really believe that Trump is acting in the interest of American workers.....

Jugs, dear.

Of course we believe that, as there's been nothing to indicate that's not the case.

[FiddyBeowulf]

The Dow Jones

19,904.82
Real-Time Quote As of 12:52pm ET
 +104.97 / +0.53%

Business seems to like it and I hope the DUmmies who shorted the market after Trump's win are losing their ass on it.   

[SVPete]

Kind of off-topic, looking at BB's forum name, it occurred to me that she was saying that she's the/a bane to Bain Capital. Given her 9/2012 join date, it's seems very possible. Anyway, I got curious as to how successful she's been as a bane to Bain. Looking at W'pedia, for a firm who's supposed to have a bane, Bain has been pretty active, all the way through 2016.

I guess she's been as successful as a bane as TMN has been as somebody-or-other's nemesis.

[jukin]

Whatever comes out of Bezo's Blog is bullshit.[/Cousin Vinny]

[thundley4]

In the same speeches in which Trump denounced TPP, he talked about how the US had too many regulations on business, that corporations left the US to go to countries where taxes and regulations (including environmental and worker protections) were more favorable. Trump's opposition to TPP is not that it deprives American workers of good jobs but that it regulates too much.

That is a very misleading statement if not an outright lie.  Trump has repeatedly said that US regulations are so burdensome, that it drives countries out of the US.

He never said the TTP regulations were the problem. The pact would have relaxed standards for imports to the US while still allowing partners in the pact to maintain their bullshit keeping US goods out.

[RMN]

FairWinds (1,337 posts)
25. Resectfully disagree Mr. BainsBane . .

First, why would we want to take Dem Party advice from the
Bezos owned WaPo?

Because  WaPo is one of the liberals last redoubts?  But I don't I don't like Bezos either.  Owns WaPo so probably a CIA asset of some kind.

I used to like Amazon. It kind of sucked me in by avoiding state tax. But you can get better deals from other places.

Bezo's had a lot riding on TPP.  Direct pipeline for the cheap Chinese crap he has a monopoly on selling online. Amazon is killing other retailers. His head is exploding today!  Ha Ha Ha

 

[jukin]

Not the "WAPO" but "Bezo's Blog."

I predict in a few months the interwebs will be calling it that. Bezo and other militant leftists will take that ridicule to heart and lash out like leftist children do.