One foot at a time - Send Power Back to the States

[FaC]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028437905

TheMastersNemesis (6,428 posts)

Real GOP Goal Is SEND ALL Federal Authority To States & Privatize/Contract Federal Employees.

The Reagan devolution strategy still exists and the goal of the GOP is to dismantle most federal responsibilities by sending most the federal government operations to the states as block grants and make their operations voluntary. The only federal agencies we need in their eyes are DOD and Homeland Security. Other than that all other agencies can be run at the state level. That means that agencies like the EPA, HHS, DOT, VA et al can be run by the states. That would mean that we would have 50 state EPA's, HHS's, DOT's, VA's et al.

Such ideas means that public health would also be fragmented into 50 parts. The Center For Disease Control would also be abolished at the federal level. Plus the states would also be able to CONTRACT OUT ALL SERVICES.

The new cabinet is the first step in dismantling the federal government as we know it today. People wanted change and what I describe has been on the GOP's hidden agenda all along.

TMN has finally come up with something I am willing to help kick forward, one step at a time. I can even provide a link to the guiding principles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution

This amazing document defines exactly which powers should go to the Federal government. I am sure that the DUmmies, beeing the SOOPERSMART kids would immediately realize that ALL other powers go to the state.

[FiddyBeowulf]

That means that agencies like the EPA, HHS, DOT, VA et al can be run by the states. That would mean that we would have 50 state EPA's, HHS's, DOT's, VA's et al.

Isn't it pretty much the way is now? WI has a DOT, DOJ, EPA, VA, I assume other states have the same or versions of the same.

[VelvetElvis]

Isn't it pretty much the way is now? WI has a DOT, DOJ, EPA, VA, I assume other states have the same or versions of the same.

Sssshhh, don't tell Bob!!!
Just let him continue to stroke himself right on out of this mortal coil!

[98ZJUSMC]

That means that agencies like the EPA, HHS, DOT, VA et al can be run by the states. That would mean that we would have 50 state EPA's, HHS's, DOT's, VA's et al.

Isn't it pretty much the way is now? WI has a DOT, DOJ, EPA, VA, I assume other states have the same or versions of the same.

As far as I know.  They're all duplicated at the state level.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Where's Bob chastising the Californian secessionists?

[SVPete]

TheMastersNemesis (6,428 posts)

Real GOP Goal Is SEND ALL Federal Authority To States & Privatize/Contract Federal Employees.

With some allowance for hyperbole, isn't that what the US Constitution set up? States having very substantial authority and power?

As far as I'm concerned, there's a whole lot of Federal employees who should be canned and forced to seek productive employment. And not a few state employees, states that are bloated like CA.

[Texacon]

This amazing document defines exactly which powers should go to the Federal government. I am sure that the DUmmies, beeing the SOOPERSMART kids would immediately realize that ALL other powers go to the state.



Or to the people.

That's the one the DUmmies really don't like.

KC

[Undies]

TheMastersNemesis (6,428 posts)

Real GOP Goal Is SEND ALL Federal Authority To States & Privatize/Contract Federal Employees.

Have you ever seen the 1963 movie "Jason and the Argonauts"?  How it portrayed the Greek gods as these all-powerful beings in the sky looking down through the clouds on the mortal menagerie on earth?  And how the gods could do as they pleased to influence the lives of peons like Jason? 

The DUmmies see the federal government as liberal gods.  We are all peons here, powerless to the godlike influence.  And that's the way it is suppose to be.  Period.   Any other arrangement is unworkable and unthinkable.

[Karin]

I have never worked for the state or federal, so I would be interested in hearing from people who have.  I think this is a very interesting subject to explore.  How much time and energy is wasted on turf battles and stepping on other people's toes?  Time-wasting meetings, pacing the floors, emails, memos, arguments, etc. over this?  Fed vs. State?  Who has jurisdiction?  Who is more powerful politically?  Who is besties with whom?  Who is sleeping with whom?    

My only perspective is big companies, where satellite operations vs. corp HQ waste time over politics.  Whose call is this?  And how do I look if I make the wrong call?  What to do? 

I can see a scenario where the boatload of work is done at the state level, with a VERY skinny dept in Wash DC there to coordinate data gathering/analysis and such.  See where significant conflict might be between the states, that would be in the national interest to resolve. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

The Founders had a three-way division of power at the Federal level embedded in the structure of the Constitution itself, between the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary branches.  With the acceptance of the Bill of Rights, it is clear that they also intended to be a three-way division between the Federal Government, the States,and the People at large, embodied in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.  The intimidated Supreme Court, during the powerfully one-party rule of the FDR years, unfortunately stabbed it in the heart with their incredibly-expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause that has rendered that separation of powers meaningless.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

TheMastersNemesis (6,428 posts)

Real GOP Goal Is SEND ALL Federal Authority To States & Privatize/Contract Federal Employees.

The Reagan devolution strategy still exists and the goal of the GOP is to dismantle most federal responsibilities by sending most the federal government operations to the states as block grants and make their operations voluntary. The only federal agencies we need in their eyes are DOD and Homeland Security. Other than that all other agencies can be run at the state level. That means that agencies like the EPA, HHS, DOT, VA et al can be run by the states. That would mean that we would have 50 state EPA's, HHS's, DOT's, VA's et al.

Such ideas means that public health would also be fragmented into 50 parts. The Center For Disease Control would also be abolished at the federal level. Plus the states would also be able to CONTRACT OUT ALL SERVICES.

The new cabinet is the first step in dismantling the federal government as we know it today. People wanted change and what I describe has been on the GOP's hidden agenda all along.

And the problem with that is what, exactly?

[Delmar]

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)Fri Jan 6, 2017, 03:56 PM
pansypoo53219 (12,626 posts)
8. media blinders. local is all but invisible to the sheeple.

You can say that again.
 
How do you think we pulled this off?

Wave, Continued: GOP Will Control 70 Percent of All State Legislative Chambers

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/11/06/wave-gop-will-control-more-state-legislative-chambers-than-ever-before-n1915164

Choke on that, lurking sheeple.

[miskie]

I have never worked for the state or federal, so I would be interested in hearing from people who have.  I think this is a very interesting subject to explore.  How much time and energy is wasted on turf battles and stepping on other people's toes?  Time-wasting meetings, pacing the floors, emails, memos, arguments, etc. over this?  Fed vs. State?  Who has jurisdiction?  Who is more powerful politically?  Who is besties with whom?  Who is sleeping with whom?    

My only perspective is big companies, where satellite operations vs. corp HQ waste time over politics.  Whose call is this?  And how do I look if I make the wrong call?  What do to? 

I can see a scenario where the boatload of work is done at the state level, with a VERY skinny dept in Wash DC there to coordinate data gathering/analysis and such.  See where significant conflict might be between the states, that would be in the national interest to resolve.

Well, I've delivered mail since 2004, and before that I worked for AT&T, so I can compare and contrast.

Firstly, there is no real competition as far as mail is concerned (parcels, yes.. different story) and it is a service not duplicated at the state level -<<HOWEVER>>  that hasn't stopped the postal service from adopting some of the worst practices of big business, including time wasting meetings, redundant training, and micromanagement policies.

The USPS develops and collapses policies just as quickly as AT&T, maybe even faster as it responds to the whim of congress critters instead of shareholders. When they come up with a new plan to empty USPS' collective pockets into their pet projects, the postal service has no choice but to comply.

The USPS is carved into postal districts, and they squabble over the same things that corporate divisions do, The districts also complete against each other in the same way, so that the leaders of those districts get bigger offices and fatter paychecks.

So, at least as far as the USPS is concerned, its pretty much the same as any large corporation.

[FunkyZero]

I have never worked for the state or federal, so I would be interested in hearing from people who have.  I think this is a very interesting subject to explore.  How much time and energy is wasted on turf battles and stepping on other people's toes?  Time-wasting meetings, pacing the floors, emails, memos, arguments, etc. over this?  Fed vs. State?  Who has jurisdiction?  Who is more powerful politically?  Who is besties with whom?  Who is sleeping with whom?    

My only perspective is big companies, where satellite operations vs. corp HQ waste time over politics.  Whose call is this?  And how do I look if I make the wrong call?  What do to? 

I can see a scenario where the boatload of work is done at the state level, with a VERY skinny dept in Wash DC there to coordinate data gathering/analysis and such.  See where significant conflict might be between the states, that would be in the national interest to resolve.

Well, my ex used to work for the state in child welfare, my grandmother did as well. Yea, what you said... the inefficiencies are astounding.
But, I've personally worked in large corp environments too, and the waste is just as significant in administrative areas.
The problems are always caused by people... trying to manufacture ways to build their own empires and justify their existence and paycheck, even at the expense of other people. the difference in gov is that when there's a rule, that's it. there is no arguing... and if you do, you're gone. It's a colorless environment where ingenuity is frowned upon. They only want minions.

[freedumb2003b]

The Founders had a three-way division of power at the Federal level embedded in the structure of the Constitution itself, between the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary branches.  With the acceptance of the Bill of Rights, it is clear that they also intended to be a three-way division between the Federal Government, the States,and the People at large, embodied in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.  The intimidated Supreme Court, during the powerfully one-party rule of the FDR years, unfortunately stabbed it in the heart with their incredibly-expansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause that has rendered that separation of powers meaningless.

The real stab in the heart of the proper Federalism was the 17th Amendment.

That and the damn 19th Amendment.

[freedumb2003b]

I have never worked for the state or federal, so I would be interested in hearing from people who have.  I think this is a very interesting subject to explore.  How much time and energy is wasted on turf battles and stepping on other people's toes?  Time-wasting meetings, pacing the floors, emails, memos, arguments, etc. over this?  Fed vs. State?  Who has jurisdiction?  Who is more powerful politically?  Who is besties with whom?  Who is sleeping with whom?    

My only perspective is big companies, where satellite operations vs. corp HQ waste time over politics.  Whose call is this?  And how do I look if I make the wrong call?  What do to? 

I can see a scenario where the boatload of work is done at the state level, with a VERY skinny dept in Wash DC there to coordinate data gathering/analysis and such.  See where significant conflict might be between the states, that would be in the national interest to resolve.

You are really talking about the entire US Federalism milieu.

You basically have a built-in conflict between the Supremacy Clause and the 9th and 10th Amendments.

The biggest issue is that the Supremacy Clause has been the trump card for the last 50 years.  Whenever the Federal Government decides to get involved in ANY issue, the States have generally lost when they challenge (with some significant wins for the States).  The Civil War of course was the biggest test to states' rights and the states, as you know, lost.

The duplication of functions between Federal and State is a function of states working within the larger picture established by the feds.  Many are just compliance agencies (again, the states have allowed this condition to flourish since it allowed the state governments to grow).

I have worked in State and Federal positions and it is the same in both -- the Feds just know they have a bigger stick.

[98ZJUSMC]

Wave, Continued: GOP Will Control 70 Percent of All State Legislative Chambers

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[CollectivismMustDie]

Bob is not doing well. Too bad they don't make an Enzyte that grows new appendages, huh, Bob?




 



CMD

[Maverick1987]

Bob is not doing well. Too bad they don't make an Enzyte that grows new appendages, huh, Bob?




 



CMD

Cha-cha-cha-CHIA

[98ZJUSMC]

Bob is not doing well. Too bad they don't make an Enzyte that grows new appendages, huh, Bob?

 

CMD

Cha-cha-cha-CHIA

 

[diesel driver]

The real stab in the heart of the proper Federalism was the 17th Amendment.

That and the damn 19th Amendment.

Couldn't agree more!!!!
Abolish the 17th and watch Dummies heads explode everywhere!
It would be GLORIOUS!

[landofconfusion80]

I have never worked for the state or federal, so I would be interested in hearing from people who have.  I think this is a very interesting subject to explore.  How much time and energy is wasted on turf battles and stepping on other people's toes?  Time-wasting meetings, pacing the floors, emails, memos, arguments, etc. over this?  Fed vs. State?  Who has jurisdiction?  Who is more powerful politically?  Who is besties with whom?  Who is sleeping with whom?    

My only perspective is big companies, where satellite operations vs. corp HQ waste time over politics.  Whose call is this?  And how do I look if I make the wrong call?  What to do? 

I can see a scenario where the boatload of work is done at the state level, with a VERY skinny dept in Wash DC there to coordinate data gathering/analysis and such.  See where significant conflict might be between the states, that would be in the national interest to resolve.

Worked at the post office for 6 months as a casual carrier. I was told point blank by a manager that the regulars didn't like me automatically because I wasn't union. Never had an issue with anyone though. The big deal was getting welfare checks out at the first of the month. Busiest time for the post office and the phone rings continuously for days.

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[Movie buff- The Sequel]

The funny thing is, you'd think the DUmmies would currently WANT this, for the federal government (In other words, Trump) to have as little real power as possible.

[miskie]

The funny thing is, you'd think the DUmmies would currently WANT this, for the federal government (In other words, Trump) to have as little real power as possible.

Oh, I believe that's coming. "Free state California" will become the holy liberal Mecca, denying the will of Trump by claiming States Rights on everything they can.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Oh, I believe that's coming. "Free state California" will become the holy liberal Mecca, denying the will of Trump by claiming States Rights on everything they can.

In other words, after 8 years, they've suddenly discovered the constitution.