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Offline Mr Mannn

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Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« on: January 06, 2017, 09:34:46 AM »
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Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
From The Guardian:

What will liberalism do in the new, terrifying world the 2016 election has inaugurated? More than any other presidential election in a century, its outcome turned not on issues but on resentment and alienation. It was a vote in which anger overrode optimism, a corrosive sense of failure overrode hope and in which the very impracticality of a Donald Trump presidency proved one of his strongest drawing cards. He would not improve politics, his core supporters told interviewers. He would blow it up.

Liberals have urgent work to do to block the most reckless, punitive efforts of a Trump presidency. But liberalism must also come to terms with the fact that the base on which it has rested since the 1940s in this election fell almost completely apart. The effectiveness of the Republican party’s Southern Strategy of the late 1960s in peeling off southern white Americans was the beginning of the New Deal coalition’s breakup.

The desertion of the northern, white working class in the 2016 election, should it persist, would leave liberalism without a viable electoral base. Unless the Trump victory literally splits apart the Republican party, liberalism threatens to become a permanent minority of the educated, the bi-coastal, the urban, the nonwhite, and the poor. Despite changing demographics, national elections cannot be won on that basis alone.


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/03/liberals-risk-becoming-permanent-minority-america
And now for the reality base community's inability to deal with reality:
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Star Member ucrdem (11,033 posts)
1. Normalizing election fraud, just like the rest of them.

No mention of the fact that Trump didn't actually win, either. Thanks Guardian.
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17. Even with the voter suppression

She should have won by 20 damn points against the most hated man in America, and she would at least have WON if had she had run a good race, which she DID NOT. Pretending she did won't help us win the next one.
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18. Not true...

This election was stolen...and it won't matter what we believe if we don't stop the GOP...I don't care about liberal or centrist labels...we all have to band together and fight the conservatives who are winning by the way because they stick together...Trump is not popular with the GOP either...but they voted for him in numbers that kept the election close thus allowing them to steal it. And I will say this...the primary hurt Clinton...had Bernie not run or at least gotten out and endorsed way earlier...Clinton would have won.
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3. The electoral college win was based on roughly 100,000 votes. Hardly the death of liberalism-


especially when we have voter suppression, fake news, a politicized FBI, and a poker-playing strongman in Russia acting to topple democracy here and abroad, Eight years of letting Republicans score over 1000 political seats hasn't helped, and could have been prevented.

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4. So liberalism is dead (or on its way)

In the last election ...

When we win the popular vote of the Presidential Election by nearly 3 million.
When we gain seats in the House.
When we gain seats in the Senate.

Yeah, sure sounds like liberalism is on its last legs. :)

Lesson to be learned. You cannot make people see when they willingly blind themselves.
Only one here seemed to get it.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 09:43:26 AM »
Move left and more arrogant dems.
It is a sure winner!
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 09:55:40 AM »
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He would not improve politics, his core supporters told interviewers. He would blow it up.

Stupid.  He's going to improve politics BY BLOWING IT UP.


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4. So liberalism is dead (or on its way)

In the last election ...

When we win the popular vote of the Presidential Election by nearly 3 million.
By way of three counties in California
When we gain seats in the House.
In favorable districts against idiot Republicans, mostly RINO's
When we gain seats in the Senate.
You were supposed to flip it, easily.

Yeah, sure sounds like liberalism is on its last legs. :)

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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2017, 10:02:53 AM »
Liberalism is already a permanent minority in America. What we are seeing coming out of the left these days is not liberalism but the beginnings of a form of full on fascism.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 10:10:21 AM »
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The desertion of the northern, white working class in the 2016 election, should it persist, would leave liberalism without a viable electoral base.

The left doesn't get it. There is not an endless supply  of money. They can't keep promising more free shit while doing everything they can to drive jobs out of the country. Most people want to work and not subsist on welfare.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 10:40:47 AM »
I thought along the lines of that article in 2003 and 2004. I underestimated the Rs' skill and alacrity for shooting off their own feet, at the knees.

Libs' and Progs' persistent denial, penchant for demonizing those who disagree with them, and love of loony-toony conspiracy theories bodes well if the Rs can just keep their "guns"* pointed outward.

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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 11:03:05 AM »
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 11:32:50 AM »
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anger overrode optimism

I'd say Make America Great Again is an optimistic campaign theme.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 11:55:57 AM »
What happens when the first two SCOTUS nominations of the Trump era come out solidly FOR voter ID? THEN the liberals will be a solid minority, and will also never win a popular vote again.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 12:01:50 PM »
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He would not improve politics, his core supporters told interviewers. He would blow it up.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 06:03:30 PM »
Quote from: docstew on January 06, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
What happens when the first two SCOTUS nominations of the Trump era come out solidly FOR voter ID (AND a purple finger)? THEN the liberals will be a solid minority, and will also never win a popular vote again.

The Iraqis have a good idea there.

I should also add, ANY illegal caught voting in an election gets an automatic 10 (or other number) years in prison followed by immediate deportation.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 07:33:23 PM »
Quote from: DUmpDiver on January 06, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
I'd say Make America Great Again is an optimistic campaign theme.
I was going to say, what part of "Make America great again don't they understand? Is it too many words for them?
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 07:37:12 PM »
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17. Even with the voter suppression

She should have won by 20 damn points against the most hated man in America, and she would at least have WON if had she had run a good race, which she DID NOT. Pretending she did won't help us win the next one.

Only 20 points?

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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2017, 03:44:18 AM »
Quote from: DUmpDiver on January 06, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
I'd say Make America Great Again is an optimistic campaign theme.
You have to understand that in Guardian-speak, "optimism" = hope and change, and they still actually believe that nonsense.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 11:20:39 AM »
Sorry Guardian, there are no more liberals on the left. The left is in the USA what it has always been in the rest of the world, fascism.
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Re: Guardian: Liberals risk becoming a permanent minority in America
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2017, 01:38:57 PM »
Quote from: ADsOutburst on January 06, 2017, 07:33:23 PM
I was going to say, what part of "Make America great again don't they understand? Is it too many words for them?


They think the last 8 years were the greatest ever. That's the problem.
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