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LaydeeBug (8,110 posts)What will it take for the Proofers to see what happened here? Seriously. We've had truthers, and now we have proofers. What other proof do you need? Are we honestly supposed to believe that the Russians hacked the DNC, and then STOPPED short of swing states? Nothing at all down ballot? NO? Do they need to hold a presser conference and SAY so? I am being serious....what will it take for the proofers?
mythology (6,271 posts) 4. How about even the slightest bit of evidence? One shredYou have presented none and continually insult anybody who disagrees with you. You try to link us to 9/11 truthers, but we're not the ones who are choosing to believe what we want to be truth in the absence of any evidence. Insult everybody else all you want. It doesn't make you any more correct. It just makes it clear you have nothing else.
LaydeeBug (8,110 posts) 5. Again...I ask...honestly...I know you like to follow me aroundsaying that *I* am insulting you when you are the one responding to me, but that's none of my business (drinks ice tea) and completely beside the point. With trying your best to extrapolate ME from the scenario, what PROOF do you need? 17 intelligence agencies isn't enough? What is? Seriously.
SickOfTheOnePct (5,519 posts) 8. Zero intelligence agencieshave said that the vote was hacked. Zero. Losing an election, even by a close vote, doesn't mean that the vote was hacked. Wisconsin was completely recounted, and Trump actually gained votes. I won't be even a little bit surprised if, upon completion of the investigation into the Wayne County, Michigan vote, it's found that there was indeed vote fraud - in Hillary's favor. Other than internet conspiracy theorists, no one is saying that they believe voting machines and/or tabulators were hacked, thus changing the vote count in Trump's favor.
ElementaryPenguin (6,306 posts) 10. Wisconsin was not fairly recounted!!!!!The counties with the biggest problems refused to do hand counts. Running the results through the same vote tabulators would just produce the same hacked results!!
SickOfTheOnePct (5,519 posts) 18. And which counties were those? n/t
LaydeeBug (8,110 posts) 13. I see...so you won't be even a little bit surprised if there was indeed fraud in Hillary'sfavor, but it is impossible it happened the other way. Oooooo-kay.
MichMary (128 posts) 6. E-mails were leaked,or hacked, or whatever. No one at all thinks that voting machines were tampered with. Further, the e-mails were embarrassing, but probably did nothing to sway enough voters to make a difference in the election. Comey probably had more to do with that than the Russians.
LaydeeBug (8,110 posts) 14. No one at all thinks the machines were tampered with? I doOr am I supposed to believe that they hacked the email and never the voter files. Riiiiiiight
MichMary (128 posts) 22. How? n/t
LaydeeBug (8,110 posts) 37. Not how. THAT. nt
pnwmom (79,227 posts) 29. You weren't paying attention during the recounts then. They discovered that in 26 states they use a system that has cellular connectivity -- the vote tabulators ARE hackable. Anything that is hackable will be hacked -- that's the assumption we should always make. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/critical-new-discovery-during-wisconsin-recount-cellular-connectivity-of-tabulators-leaves-door-open-to-hacking-300379050.html MADISON, Wis., Dec. 15, 2016 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A huge security hole in our US elections, which allows alteration of vote totals by outsider or insider entities, was discovered during the Wisconsin recount, according to electronic security investigators from RecountNow.org. A cellular capability is available as an option on the latest Election Systems and Software (ES&S) DS200 model of optical scanner. "Cellular connectivity at the precinct level is bad," says IT specialist Jim March-Simpson, who, along with forensic investigator John Brakey, discovered and examined the vulnerability, "but the precinct-level scanners can open an internet channel to the central vote tabulator." March-Simpson is referring to a central unit that collects and adds vote totals from a whole region. SNIP An entity with "government-level resources . . . could completely 'own' the electoral process," March-Simpson says. "If the central vote tabulator does not have the best possible security, then even a good hacker with a normal PC can get in," he reports. SNIP
SickOfTheOnePct (5,519 posts) 41. That's not really what the article saidIt said that a certain voting machine model has cellular capability as an option. It also says that it's unknown how many actually have the cellular capability. Which means they don't know if any of them do or not.
ElementaryPenguin (6,306 posts) 7. The proof of Trump's collusion with the Russians will come...If it's not allowed to come out in the Obama sponsored report it will be leaked. One simply does not public humiliate the CIA as Drumpf did and get away with it. Count on it!
Blanks (4,049 posts) 28. I haven't seen a lot of questions...About why Obama closed the particular Russian facilities that he closed. I can't help but wonder if there is something in these locations that will lead to Trump's undoing.
ElementaryPenguin (6,306 posts) 9. 52% of all Democrats believe the Russian's hacked the vote tallies in Trump's favorAccording to a poll MSNBC showed the night before last (I think even 18% of Republicans believe it). So it's not like the thought is completely underground - though the mainstream media is treating it like it's taboo. Funny that it continues to be suppressed by some on the DU. To me, rejecting exit polls (the legitimate - unadjusted variety) is totally rejecting behavioral science and statistics - almost on the scale of those who reject the science behind climate change.
True_Blue (2,602 posts) 35. It's a fact that Russia inferred in our democracyThe CIA and FBI haven't released any info yet, so we don't know the full extent of it. There was enough interference in our election though that Sen. McCain is calling it an act of war and calling for a full investigation. McCain is my Senator, so I'm going to send him a letter thanking him. When DU was hacked on Election Day a couple hours before the 1st election results with that creepy video of Trump with a gun, I had a feeling in my gut that the election was going to be stolen.
LaydeeBugAre we honestly supposed to believe that the Russians hacked the DNC,
That was almost painful to read through.
Almost?
The left's philosophy: republicans are guilty until proven innocent.
I am being serious
No Dem has refuted that any WikiLeaks stuff was wrong. Colluding with Donna Brazille, other media outlets.
Nope. They have defined 'interference' as publishing embarrassing, yet truthful information. Its why they never condemned Harry Reid. - because releasing embarrassing, yet false information about a political opponent is apparently okay.
And yet, they maintain that their own flaws and their presidential candidate's flaws are not what cost them the election.If that were true, there would have been nothing to leak.
They repeat their lies so often that <<THEY>> actually believe them. - They were certain of guaranteed victory, and lost in part because of their own hubris.
Response to HoneyBadger (Reply #45)Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:16 PMmelman (1,692 posts) 50. You don't understandIf you don't want to be seen as a proofer you must not ask for proof...or even mention it. Since you mentioned the 'p' word, we're going to have to assume you're a proofer, perhaps even an R S T L N E'er I'm sorry but those are the rules.
