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Offline Chris_

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Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« on: August 07, 2008, 12:25:13 AM »
The three biggest examples of successful bipartisanship in the past decade, the Patriot Act, NCLB and McCain/Feingold are fraught with problems, are all frequently denounced by people from all sides of the political spectrum. Is bipartisanship, therefore a worthy goal?
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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 01:26:52 AM »
I got no problems with the Patriot Act.  No clue what NCLB is, and the boat is still out on McCain-Feingold.

And what about FISA?
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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 01:27:19 AM »
Bipartisanship="surrendering your values for political expediency."

It is for wimps.

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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 06:41:30 AM »
Quote from: djones520 on August 07, 2008, 01:26:52 AM
I got no problems with the Patriot Act.  No clue what NCLB is, and the boat is still out on McCain-Feingold.

And what about FISA?

No Child Left Behind
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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 07:16:17 AM »
Quote from: Big Don on August 07, 2008, 12:25:13 AM
The three biggest examples of successful bipartisanship in the past decade, the Patriot Act, NCLB and McCain/Feingold are fraught with problems, are all frequently denounced by people from all sides of the political spectrum. Is bipartisanship, therefore a worthy goal?



I have problems with parts of the Patriot act (I have to jump through hoops to open a bank account but illegal aliens don't and HIPPA o name a few) but its not horrible. 

NCLB ?  Whats wrong with it ?  Carrot & stick if teachers can demonstrate competence.

McCain-Feingold ?  Yeah, that was a turkey.
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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 09:34:56 AM »
Quote from: Jim on August 07, 2008, 07:16:17 AM
Quote from: Big Don on August 07, 2008, 12:25:13 AM
The three biggest examples of successful bipartisanship in the past decade, the Patriot Act, NCLB and McCain/Feingold are fraught with problems, are all frequently denounced by people from all sides of the political spectrum. Is bipartisanship, therefore a worthy goal?



I have problems with parts of the Patriot act (I have to jump through hoops to open a bank account but illegal aliens don't and HIPPA o name a few) but its not horrible. 

NCLB ?  Whats wrong with it ?  Carrot & stick if teachers can demonstrate competence.

McCain-Feingold ?  Yeah, that was a turkey.

Good idea, horrible execution.
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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 09:49:54 AM »
Quote from: EastFacingNorth on August 07, 2008, 09:34:56 AM
Quote from: Jim on August 07, 2008, 07:16:17 AM
Quote from: Big Don on August 07, 2008, 12:25:13 AM
The three biggest examples of successful bipartisanship in the past decade, the Patriot Act, NCLB and McCain/Feingold are fraught with problems, are all frequently denounced by people from all sides of the political spectrum. Is bipartisanship, therefore a worthy goal?



I have problems with parts of the Patriot act (I have to jump through hoops to open a bank account but illegal aliens don't and HIPPA o name a few) but its not horrible. 

NCLB ?  Whats wrong with it ?  Carrot & stick if teachers can demonstrate competence.

McCain-Feingold ?  Yeah, that was a turkey.

Good idea, horrible execution.



Government run, it didn't have a chance really.  But it DID help show up the teacher unions.  They're refusing the money because they're afraid of the strings.  Doesn't matter to liberals of course but it does help withthe mushy middle if you make note of it.
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My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: Is Bipartisanship Not all it is cracked up to be?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 10:19:36 AM »
NCLB is almost universally disliked by teachers, even conservative ones, because it attempts to solve a qualitative problem with a more-or-less absolute quantitative solution.  Basically the same problem that zero-thought solutions like "Zero tolerance" policies or McNamara's stupid plan to win in Viet Nam based solely on "Metrics" like body count.  Nice theory, it just doesn't fit the facts because peoplel do not all have the same potential or capabilities, the differences are not uniformly distributed, and at the end of the line you have to deal with individual teachers and students rather than numbers.

It did, however, call the Dems bluff on "The GOP hates kids" bullshit by giving the Dems all the rope they asked for.     
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