WE Are NOT the Problem, nancegress.

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NanceGreggs (21,884 posts)

WE Are NOT the Problem


As is normal after an election, the losing party engages in a lot of introspection and asks the looming question: Where did we go wrong?

But this was by no means a “normal” election – nor is it a “normal” loss when the loser is the one with the backing of the majority of voters, and the winner has clearly demonstrated that he is not fit for office.

I think what we need to focus on is the fact that Democrats are not the problem, nor are our policies, nor is our message. The problem is gerrymandering, voter suppression, a complicit media, unverifiable vote counts – and now we have the added components of Russian interference, and James Comey clearly having used his office for partisan purposes.

In other words, while we’re busily distracted looking under the hood searching for a mechanical failure, the GOP goes about stealing the car – one hubcap, one tire, one fender, one taillight at a time.

This election wasn’t about Democrats having the “wrong message”, or having forgotten its core values, or having ignored certain portions of the populace. The Democrats have always been on the side of the working-class; we have always fought to maintain and strengthen the safety-nets that get our fellow citizens by during the worst of times. WE have always been on the side of The People.

We didn’t lose this election because we didn’t “connect” with people – we lost because many of the people we connect with weren’t allowed to vote. We didn’t lose because we had a failed strategy – we lost because the GOP, via James Comey and the Russians, had a “strategy” all their own.

We didn’t lose because our candidate had too much “scandal-ridden baggage” – we lost because the MSM never even mentioned the hundreds of scandals the Republican candidate was, and continues to be, involved in. Despite thirty years of unrelenting attacks by the GOP, Hillary’s “baggage” was two carry-on suitcases when compared to Trump’s cargo-hold full of steamer trunks bulging with lies, deceit, and outright theft.

We didn’t lose because we don’t say the right things – we lost because what we have to say is continually drowned-out by FOX-News et al. We didn’t lose because we chose the wrong candidate – we lost because their candidate was backed by a well-oiled machine that pursues the dismantling of fair elections.

We didn’t lose because our candidate failed to exemplify Christian values – we lost because so-called “Christian” leaders told their flocks that a self-proclaimed “*****-grabber” was chosen by God.

I try to be patient with the “but we have to figure out what HRC/Dems did wrong, so we can correct our course in future” comments – most of which seem to be centered on “I told you so – you shoulda picked my guy” rather than any real concern about future political endeavours. But the truth is that as long as we are not focusing on how to fight GOP tactics, the integrity and honesty of our candidates will always be a fatal flaw rather than a vote-getter.

This is not to say that our Party and it’s members should never be criticized, or that election strategies shouldn’t be continually scrutinized, discussed, and altered when and where warranted. However, given our present circumstances, endlessly blaming ourselves and our Party for “what went wrong” is to ignore the fact that what’s wrong is not who we are, but who our opponents are, and what depths they will sink to in order to undermine us.

We lost to an ignorant, lying bigot whose entire life has been spent enriching himself by cheating and stealing from hard-working Americans, with a complete disregard for anyone’s welfare but his own. We lost to a self-aggrandizing, mentally unstable idiot who outsources the very jobs he claimed he would now protect. We lost to a bloviating, immoral bully who has deliberately encouraged xenophobia, misogyny, intolerance, and racism – and has promoted violence as a means to an end.

This was not a loss to a candidate with a superior strategy, a better “image”, a more worthy message. It was a loss to a man who – despite his obvious failings as a candidate and as a human being – had the support of a party that consistently undermines fair voting practices, controls the airwaves through the likes of Limbaugh and Alex Jones, and has learned to rely on the mainstream media to NOT do its job, all while looking the other way as our sworn enemy, Putin, promoted a puppet who will do his bidding as opposed to the bidding of the American people.

That said, it seems rather pointless to be arguing amongst ourselves about how an ad buy here, or a rally there, or a speech delivered in a different tone would have changed the outcome of this election. We were never up against a “better candidate”; we were up against a party that is without scruples. We were up against a party that will lie, cheat, steal in order to “win”, with absolutely no regard for the welfare of the country, or the well-being of its citizens.

Declaring that we shoulda-coulda won this election if only we’d done this, said that, chosen a different candidate, campaigned here rather than there, spent more time on this topic as opposed to that topic, is meaningless. The damage has been done, and we are now facing a pResident who stands for everything we as Democrats abhor, and that we as citizens will suffer the consequences of.

If you want to continue tinkering under the hood, so be it. Just remember that while you’re trying to figure out why the car stalled-out in the middle of the highway, the Republicans are busy constructing road-blocks, shutting down on-ramps, draining the gas tank, and devising ways to ensure we ain’t going nowhere, no how, no way.

Playing the Blame the Democrats Game is always fun for some. But it doesn’t move us forward an inch; it doesn’t solve the problems we face. And I, for one, am sick and tired of those who think that playing that game is going to get us anywhere. We have a clear and recognizable enemy that needs to be fought - and guess what? That enemy ISN'T us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512668866

I just lost mintues off my life i will not get back after reading that.

[Karin]

You're absolutely right, Nance!  Keep doing what you're doing!   

[thundley4]

I stopped reading after this:

I think what we need to focus on is the fact that Democrats are not the problem, nor are our policies, nor is our message. The problem is gerrymandering, voter suppression, a complicit media, unverifiable vote counts

More democrat states have been gerrymandered to help blacks and dems get elected. 

Voter suppression is a myth made up to explain why black people don't vote in off years and why they didn't vote for the white bitch this year.

The complicit media did all they could to prop up Hillary, even going so far as to use fake polls to show her winning.

Detroit couldn't do a recount in many districts because the ballot boxes had fewer votes than what they were labeled. Dem poll workers ran ballots through counting machines multiple times to help Hillary.

[DUmpstruck]

You lost because you think you know better than I how I should live my life.
You lost because you think you know better than I on what I should spend the money I earn.
You lost because you think you know better than I what my kids should eat at school for lunch.
You lost because you think you know better than I what your lousy liberally educated teachers should be teaching my kids.
You lost because you think you know better than I who I should associate with and on what terms.

More important than any of this is the plain fact that regardless of the who, what, why or how...

You lost! 

And if the DUmmies do not get their undersized heads out of their oversized asses, 2018 should give the Republicans a larger majority in the House and a filibuster proof Senate.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

You're absolutely right, Nance!  Keep doing what you're doing!   

AND double down on the hate language. That's a sure winner for 2018 and 2020.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

AND double down on the hate language. That's a sure winner for 2018 and 2020.

And they should tell the voters they will try every underhanded trick they can devise to overturn the results.

[Tess Anderson]

You're absolutely right, Nance!  Keep doing what you're doing!   

Yes, let her think whatever she wants, I just wonder if she's still holed up in Toronto and where Jeff's obit is. Never saw a thing about it in all this time.

[ADsOutburst]

Most people want to find a winning strategy and use it as long as it works.

DUmmies insist on using a faulty strategy, apparently believing it will eventually work.

Hillary didn't lose because she got drowned out by Fox News; she lost (partly) because whatever message she may have had was lost amidst her constant attempts to win by attacking Trump.

[Carl]

Yes, let her think whatever she wants, I just wonder if she's still holed up in Toronto and where Jeff's obit is. Never saw a thing about it in all this time.

He is still walking through hell thinking "this ain`t so bad".

[I_B_Perky]

NanceGreggs (21,884 posts)

WE Are NOT the Problem


As is normal after an election, the losing party engages in a lot of introspection and asks the looming question: Where did we go wrong?

But this was by no means a “normal” election – nor is it a “normal” loss when the loser is the one with the backing of the majority of voters, and the winner has clearly demonstrated that he is not fit for office.

I think what we need to focus on is the fact that Democrats are not the problem, nor are our policies, nor is our message.

<blah, blah, blah>

I agree. Just keep on doing the same thing over and over again. Sooner or later the voters will slap their foreheads and say "Damn!!! How could I be so stupid?" and return to your democrat party in massive droves.

Shout your message long and hard until these stupid idiots finally get it thru their thick heads!!!!

[Karin]

He is still walking through hell thinking "this ain`t so bad".

At first I thought that might be a reference to a novel I should have read, as it's something I would....but I note it's original. 

[jukin]

You're absolutely right, Nance!  Keep doing what you're doing!   

HI5   

Not only is this DUchebag right but she is not right enough. The DUmmys need ot push for Ellison for DNC chair. More diversity and identity politics are the future!!

[USA4ME]

Classic misstep.

It's not enough to say "We are not the problem" when it's all too clear that, if that statement is true, "We are not the solution" is equally true. Why? If you had been the solution, the problem would have not happened. But a problem occurred or you wouldn't be having the discussion you're having. The problem can not also be the solution. You are not the solution.

Truth is you are the problem, therefore you can not be the solution. Until you figure that out, you're stuck in a circle with no chance of getting out.

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[Dblhaul]

Nance - TLDR   You lost, get over it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxF0K_3lGOA

[Ralph Wiggum]

They simply won't get it.  Pesky stages of grief.

[DumbAss Tanker]

TL, DR, but I agree the Dems should take the advice of a drunken failure and change nothing.

[SVPete]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S5v6lLEgs[/youtube]

[Duke Nukum]

NanceGreggs (21,884 posts)

WE Are NOT the Problem

Look, you America-hating bigot: YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

We've suffered through 8 years of Marxism-lite. We know what we suffered at your insufferable hands and we want no more of it.

If you want to believe you aren't the problem, fine. That just means you will be out of power a long, long, long time. Better yet, move to Venezuela.

[VelvetElvis]

I just lost mintues off my life i will not get back after reading that.

You actually READ that?
You're a better man than me.

[VelvetElvis]

I agree. Just keep on doing the same thing over and over again. Sooner or later the voters will slap their foreheads and say "Damn!!! How could I be so stupid?" and return to your democrat party in massive droves.

Shout your message long and hard until these stupid idiots finally get it thru their thick heads!!!!

And be sure to tell them how stupid and backward they are, and how you know what's best for them better than they themselves do.  They LOVE it when you do that!

And Flying Spaghetti Monsters! Don't forget those too! And White privilege! And Glass Ceilings®!!!!

You'll be exhausted from all of the Winning!

[CollectivismMustDie]

Watching the self proclaimed most educated and enlightened among us bumble around in the dark like some comic combination of Mister Magoo and Inspector Clouseau might not be THE the best thing about the election, but it is right up there.






CMD

[Big Dog]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S5v6lLEgs[/youtube]

I could watch that for hours.