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Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« on: December 26, 2016, 01:57:49 PM »
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MineralMan (89,245 posts)     Mon Dec 26, 2016, 09:32 AM

Way Too Much Pipe Organ at Christmas
 
Our local CBS AM station, WCCO, like many radio stations, plays non-stop Christmas music starting on Christmas Eve and continuing through midnight on Christmas Day. I don't mind too much, and there are several radios in our house tuned to that station always, since it runs the CBS news every hour.

Now, I love pipe organs. I have since the early 1960s. So much that I worked for free as a 16-year-old with an organ builder, Richard Villemin, who was installing a pipe organ in the church I attended. For an entire summer, I spent most of my days learning about piper organs from that very patient man, and worked my butt off, all for the love of such a massive, amazing instrument. Later, I took lessons from our church organist, and even played for a few services.

Returning to the topic, one of the staples of WCCO's Christmas marathon is always pre-recorded presentations from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, offering "Music and the spoken word" writ very large. At one point yesterday, they rebroadcast an hour of the Tabernacle's organist, Richard Elliot, playing Christmas music for a concert. I hate to say it, but his performance may have put me off pipe organs forever.

The organ in the Salt Lake City temple is one of the largest, best equipped organs in the world. It's superbly maintained, always perfectly in tune, and capable of everything from subtle whisperings of music to thundering walls of sound. Well, Richard Elliot appears to forgotten all but the latter capability, since it seemed as though he had "pulled out all the stops" and used the Full Organ piston throughout his performance. Not only that, he appeared to have been set on demonstrating that he can play more notes than anyone in the world, all at the same time.

The result was pure mud coming from that majestic organ. At one point, he was playing three traditional Christmas carols, all at the same time. Since their harmonies were compatible, after all, why not? And all at the maximum volume available, and all with as many fingers on the keyboards and both feet on the pedal manual as possible, playing more notes notes than are humanly possible as fast as possible. It was a horror. Yes, he is a virtuoso organist. Yes he can amaze and astound with his playing. But, he chose to horrify, by playing everything at FFFF instead, including "Silent Night."

I was shocked and appalled. I turned to my wife, after that grotesque exercise was finally finished, and said, "The only thing he left out was playing "Shave and a haircut...two bits" to close out the number. No more, Mr. Elliot. Please, no more. If you do that again, I swear I will come to Salt Lake City and disconnect 90% of that organ's ranks before you play again. I will force you to treat the organ as less of a bludgeon with which to damage the hearing of your audience and more of a subtle and versatile musical instrument that can inspire wonder and create beauty.

And that is my Christmas music review for 2016. It is my opinion, of course. Thanks for reading.

Now, I dunno.

I'd been aware, all my life, of the quality and fame of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, which to the eye appears it can really boom out some music, a song.

But the first time I actually "heard" it, I was greatly disappointed. 

They did A Mighty Fortress Is Our God, the greatest song, ever, and I'd anticipated what with hundreds of voices and an organ the size of a ship, it'd be powerful, overwhelming, as Martin Luther had intended it to be.

It wasn't.  It was pretty weak, timorous, hesitant.

I later "branched out" and "listened" to A Mighty Fortress Is Our God by other groups, other places, other times.  I'd always assumed it was the sort of song that would crack the air, shatter the walls, soar to the heavens, a song full of strength and vigor and enthusiasm.

Alas, I have yet to "hear" it sung that way; no matter the group, the place, and the time, they always do it in a diffident, hesitant, nervous, apologetic manner, as if they're afraid to "offend" by being "too enthusiastic" about their religious feelings.
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2016, 02:40:40 PM »
~500 words for that nonsense?  I sympathize with those who must endure MM's droning in real life.
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 03:24:06 PM »
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Later, I took lessons from our church organist, and even played for a few services.


~500 words for that nonsense?  I sympathize with those who must endure MM's droning in real life.

The key to both of these statements lies in what Minnesota Moses did during services.  "Playing" for him constituted supplying all of the air the organ needed, by running his yapper. 




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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 03:31:45 PM »
A note to George Campbell.

No one gives a shit.

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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 03:36:40 PM »
A note to George Campbell.

No one gives a shit.

Not only that, but to be as simple minded to proclaim that one performance with an instrument would put a person off from any further performances using that same instrument is asinine. 

Careless Whisper was a crappy song with its wailing saxophone, but it wouldn't put me off of the saxophone.  I don't understand what point he's trying to make, other than bloviating.
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2016, 04:18:05 PM »
Add the pipe organ to the long list of weird crap that offends DUmmies.
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 06:55:45 PM »
~500 words for that nonsense?  I sympathize with those who must endure MM's droning in real life.

I took a short nap at the mid-way point.

Given the role of microphone placement and the settings of the mixing board, MM's criticism should be taken with a grain of salt. What he's hearing over his radio may or may not resemble what was heard in the middle of the tabernacle. And if he's ever been involved in producing live performances, he should know this.
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 07:51:58 PM »
I took a short nap at the mid-way point.

Given the role of microphone placement and the settings of the mixing board, MM's criticism should be taken with a grain of salt. What he's hearing over his radio may or may not resemble what was heard in the middle of the tabernacle. And if he's ever been involved in producing live performances, he should know this.

Wait a minute...

Your post reminded me about this part of MM's OP:

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Our local CBS AM station, WCCO

AM station?  Seriously!?!?  What kind of music separation could you possibly get from a scratchy terrestrial AM radio station!?!?  :confused:

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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2016, 08:00:49 PM »

AM station?  Seriously!?!?  What kind of music separation could you possibly get from a scratchy terrestrial AM radio station!?!?  :confused:


Well, I am wondering, though, if he listens to AM radio often enough, he might tune out some of the scratchiness.  I don't even hear the background hiss on my 78s anymore- tuned it out.

And since MM is a DUmpocrat, he's several degrees above a normal person in tuning out things that are obvious.

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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 08:05:45 PM »
Isn't "organ critic" just another way of saying "dick inspector"?

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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 08:14:38 PM »
He has almost as many talents as Nadine. 

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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 09:46:26 PM »
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 09:55:34 PM »
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You know, that's good, but still it disappoints.

I have no idea exactly what it was I was expecting, but based upon my visual impressions of the Mormon Tabernacle choir--those hundreds of voices--and that organ the size of a barn, I'd assumed they'd bring the walls and roof tumbling down.

When I finally "heard" them, they didn't seem half as strong as they look.

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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2016, 06:49:58 AM »
AM station?  Seriously!?!?  What kind of music separation could you possibly get from a scratchy terrestrial AM radio station!?!?  :confused:

(Ol' Mav is an audiophile, who's listening to Supertramp via Spotify through some magnificent Beats headphones as he types this)

 :thatsright: :thatsright: I can't believe I didn't think of that and related matters! :thatsright: :thatsright:

First, MM is 70ish. If he's got much hearing above 10KHz-12KHz I'd be very surprised. And envious. Mine isn't much better, as it's been a couple of decades since I've been able to hear, for example, the 15.75KHz horizontal frequency whine of an NTSC (i.e. US) CRT TV.

Second, broadcast AM audio bandwidth is limited to 10.2KHz (I had to Google it), and probably rolls off at an even lower frequency.

Third, as you say, AM audio quality sucks, if one is listening to music. Besides that BW limitation, the distortion is relatively high. This is the nature of the AM beast, and is true even with perfect reception.

Fourth, unless MM has amazing audio equipment - not impossible, of course - his receiver is probably crappy compared to what is possible with AM radio. And his speakers are probably not that great, either.

AM radio is a medium best suited for spoken human voice - news and TalkRadio - and for music where quality doesn't matter (insert rap joke here).

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frank, "A Mighty Fortress" should be sung with vigor and power ("Mighty", "Fortress" "Bulwark", "Never failing" are powerful and defiant, not sensitive). You might look into what might be available from Concordia University, Seward, NE or Concordia Seminary, St. Louis. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is very conservative theologically, so their choirs might sing "Mighty Fortress" with strength.
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Re: Minnesota Moses an organ critic
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2016, 07:18:00 AM »
You know, that's good, but still it disappoints.

I have no idea exactly what it was I was expecting, but based upon my visual impressions of the Mormon Tabernacle choir--those hundreds of voices--and that organ the size of a barn, I'd assumed they'd bring the walls and roof tumbling down.

When I finally "heard" them, they didn't seem half as strong as they look.

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