Never correct an enemy when they are making a mistake...
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512647965
So tell me again where we went "wrong".
Hillary wanted the minimum wage increased. Trump said US wages are “too highâ€.
Hillary wanted US jobs to stay in the US. Trump outsources the manufacture of every product for his hotels, and his brand-name merchandise, to low-wage countries.
Hillary talked about inclusion of all people who contribute to our country. Trump talked about deporting people based on their country-of-origin and/or their religion.
Hillary emphasized the importance of education, especially for those who required new skills to get ahead in a changing world. Trump emphasized his ability to “bring back jobs†that are already lost forever due to a changing world.
Hillary championed the rights of women. Trump talked about grabbing women by their pussies, because men with money and power should be allowed to do that.
Hillary stood up for the rights of minorities. Trump called AAs “inherently lazyâ€, called Mexicans “rapistsâ€, and called Muslims “terroristsâ€.
Hillary showed her personal strength in having withstood 30 years of attacks from the RW while still standing. Trump showed his personal weakness by tweeting incessantly about how he was depicted on a TV show.
Hillary demonstrated her knowledge about how government works. Trump demonstrated his complete ignorance of how government works.
Hillary talked about her experience as a senator and Secretary of State. Trump talked about his experience as a successful businessman - while failing to mention how many lawsuits he’s faced as a result of that “successâ€.
Hillary disclosed every detail of her tax returns and said, “This is out there for all to see.†Trump refused to disclose any of his tax returns, and bragged about how not paying taxes was “smartâ€.
Hillary provided details of her proposed policies, how they would work and how they’d be paid for. Trump simply said, “I’ll fix everything – bigly. It’ll be great, believe me!â€
Hillary’s message was about government working for the 99%. Trump’s message was about lowering taxes for the 1%.
Hillary talked about how we are “stronger togetherâ€. Trump incited violence at his rallies against those who thought “being together†was a worthwhile endeavour.
So tell me again how the HRC/Democratic message was the “wrong messageâ€. Tell me again how the candidate that promoted that message was the “wrong candidateâ€. Tell me again how that message was SO wrong, the majority of voters found it to be “right†– and cast their ballots accordingly.
This election wasn’t about what was wrong about our candidate – it’s about what is wrong with an antiquated electoral college system that hands the presidency to a man the voters have rejected. And in its aftermath, it’s about people who are more interested in saying “I told you so†than admitting we had the right candidate all along.
The people have spoken. They chose HRC as their next president. And THAT is something some people simply choose to ignore, because it renders the “we had the WRONG candidate†narrative to be totally without merit, and reeking of wanting to say “I told you so†being far more important than anything else – including the welfare of their fellow citizens.
They still have no clue why they lost, and lost "bigly".
Must have been the russians
Star Member INdemo (5,685 posts)
19. The Democratic leadership in Washington could do something about these election thefts, but they sat on their hands in 2000 failed to get involved after promising "nothing like this would ever happen again" and it did again in 2004.
Obama had a well organized campaign in 2008 with safeguards in place to insure all votes were counted.
The overwhelming win by Obama caused Democrats to take things for granted and pretended everything was ok. (Im convinced Karl Rove tried to steal it in 2012)
Even though 2014 was very questionable, Democrats failed to act against voter suppression leading up to this election and they won't question these results because we still have for the most part a bunch of damn spineless Democrats that are able to keep their jobs because they play by Republican rules.
Star Member Bettie (2,660 posts)
114. I will never believe this was a legitimate election.
Never.
I will also never, ever call Twittler my president.
Oh- it wasn't Detroit itself was completely voter fraud in every precinct. Unfortunately it was all democrat frauds...
I wonder what California voter rolls/ballots counted would look like under a microscope...
Star Member Coyotl (15,162 posts)
4. When we quit hand counting paper ballots at every precinct.
In other words, when we started trusting the other party to count our votes.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
20. What are we meant to learn?
That we shouldn't nominate the most qualified person for the job of POTUS if he/she is unacceptable to Republicans?
Should we base our nominee on who is "likeable" as opposed to who is qualified?
Do we really want to go down that road?
Oh, no... keep doing just like you are doing.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
27. If you think Obama won because he was "more likeable", you weren't paying attention.
brush (10,210 posts)
56. 92% of African Americans voted for Hillary. What other group even came close to that?
That percentage is about the same as other Dem candidates have gotten from the Black community.
Obama being the first African American to gain the Dem nomination, of course he got a higher percentage.
And with voter suppression by the repugs targeting Black voters, and 60% broken voting machines in Detroit and who knows where else, and the Supreme Court gutting the voting rights act is it any wonder that the Black vote count didn't quite match Obama's.
So come on, don't try to blame this on Black voters?
Let's play math, shall we? If 92% of 13% (12.6 by 2010 census data) of the population votes for something that means [________] people voted for it. Find the answer for [___] if 100% equals 200,081,377
(2016 national registration now stands at 200,081,377 voters)
Star Member Indydem (2,642 posts)
66. Percentage is irrelevant.
100% of 1 is still less than 66% of 3.
African Americans did not turn out. Young people did not turn out.
She didn't even win Latinos (a group he perpetually threatened and demeaned) by as large a margin as Obama.
But keep telling yourself that it was whatever scapegoat you've picked.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/08/politics/first-exit-polls-2016/index.html?client=safari
Exilednight (8,995 posts)
179. But overall, less of them actually voted than in 2008 and 2012.
I'll also point out that Obama won a higher percentage.
brush (10,210 posts)
189. Oh please. 92% of any population segment's vote is huge. No other group comes close
And did it ever occur to you that there was massive and determined voter suppression by the repugs all over to keep that vote down.
What is your post getting at? That AAs are to blame for Hillary losing because, my God, only 92% of them voted for her?
Get real and criticize those who stayed home or voted Green because they just couldn't make themselves vote for Clinton, or the massive amount of whites who voted for Trump.
African Americans did their job, knew much better than to vote for Trump.
Look, DUmpmonkie... it wasn't 92% of all blacks in the USA voted Hillary. It was 92% of the blacks exit polls listed as voted who voted for hillary. AND Pew states it was more like 88% of black voters...
dragonfly301 (391 posts)
117. Hillary knew how the Electoral College worked and did not campaign enough in Michigan or campaign at all in Wisconsin. Her campaign didn't even poll in Michigan. She had way too many days in the summer where she had no public appearances. She had way too many days where her only appearances were private fund raisers in California or NY. She was way too focused on money and not focused enough on getting out and touching the lives of the voters - how would she improve their lives. Running for POTUS is not a part time job - she is not a great speech giver but is supposed to be great one on one - her campaign should have had her doing small gatherings in Michigan and Pennsylvania all summer long. The old fashioned way - kissing babies, shaking hands at the county fair. I wonder what the campaign thought their path to victory would be - she did repeated visits to Arizona in the fall and lost the state by 4%, in retrospect she should have spent the time in one of the states she lost by 1%.
I know we're all hurting and I'd love to get rid of the EC, but this loss is on the Clinton campaign. Time to move on and plan for the midterms that are less than two years away.
certainot (3,549 posts)
115. she was so disliked because liberals ignore 25 years of talk radio
and if they didn't like that hillary wasn't progressive enough they only have themselves to blame for letting 1200 think tank scripted radio stations blast the country 20 points to the right the last 30 years
if dems continue to ignore rw radio and think hillary 'lost' because she was too corrupt or not progressive enough so america went with the global warming denying orange asshole, we'll still have trump in 8 years.
and to those who ignore talk radio while it kicks internet ass - wake up. limbaugh just signaled trump will end net neutrality because "IT GIVES GOVT TOO MUCH CONTROL OF THE INTERNET"!!!!!! and it will get cheaper.
so liberals and dems let a few hundred think tank-scripted blowhards on a 1000 coordinated radio stations call their sisters whores their brothers thieves and their reps traitors all day while hammering away on their tenth made-by-slave-labor computing device in 2 years about how their reps lost track of some of their unicorns.
we have this orange asshole in the white house because hillary and bill wanted more than civil servant money hanging out with SS the rest of their lives because a pack of dittoheads think they're running child sex slaves and tried to make some money talking to billionaires?
the left's ignorance of rw radio is the only reason the orange asshole was even close. all the other reasons pale.
if people didn't vote because of hillary's private email server and now feel guilty about it at least do something useful to keep this guy out of the white house, and if that doesn't work out at least do something useful about getting the house and senate in 2 years. like maybe complain about how your university is renting its football mascot to the local limbaugh station so it can attract advertisers to pay for them to defund public education so they can privatize it and raise tuition?
send this to you rw radio supporting university:
xxxxxx
Your school is on a list of 88 universities at republiconradio.org that broadcast sports on 257 of Rush Limbaugh’s 600 radio stations. They could also be called Trump radio stations.
Your university is not only mocking it’s own mission statement, it is undermining the interests of most of its students, faculty, employees, and surrounding communities.
That makes your own school a legitimate place to protest any issue related to the Trump agenda.
Many of those relationships began prior to the 90’s, before they all began broadcasting propaganda for one party. There is no reason for those schools not to start looking for apolitical alternatives immediately.
The school administration will claim that it does not make business decisions based on politics.This is a question all those schools need to ask: If a radio station went to KKK programming would the university still let its mascot be used to sell a KKK agenda?
Those stations weigh in on elections for university regents and selection of administration including presidents and chancellors - is there a conflict of interest?
All of those stations will continue to deny global warming, deny reproductive rights to women, excuse racism and homophobia, and promote and excuse the Trump agenda. Republicans want to privatize public education, social security, and the post office. Their policies will raise college tuition. They want to reverse gains in health care reform. They want to end net neutrality. Those stations will be cheerleaders for the next war, as they were for the last one.
The station pays a licensing company a fee and the school gets a part of that. The station then gets to use the school logos, mascot, and community standing to attract advertising revenue. It gets to declare things like “850 KOA, home of the Buffs,and Rush Limbaugh!†Compared with TV licensing revenue talk radio stations pay very little.
Advertising revenue is used to fund station operating costs and pay for the national and local talk show hosts that broadcast from them most of the day.
Except for occasional innocuous programming all of those stations operate exclusively for the benefit of the Republican Party. They are coordinated with national and state GOP and their allied think tanks
If Trump would pay $1000/hr for a radio ad, 1200 nationwide stations x 15hrs/day x 5 days/week are worth about $5BIL/yr FREE for Trump. 255 x $75,000 = $19,125,000/WEEK FREE for Trump, or about $1BIL/yr endorsed by institutions of higher learning.
Those stations, licensed to operate in the public interest, are heavily dependent on the schools they parasitize and they all:
- deny global warming and science
- use public airwaves to sell voter suppression legislation
- use and excuse racism, misogyny, homophobia, and hate to divide communities
- work to deny reproductive rights for women and access to contraception
- fight environmental regulation, push fracking, and always support fossil fuel solutions over renewables
- fight to defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and work to lower their salaries, attack their unions, push voucher solutions and standardized testing, and obstruct efforts to lower student debt
- fight efforts to increase minimum wage
- undermine the economic and environmental interests of their communities
- use public airways to repeat propaganda that is demonstrably false and continue to lie after being corrected
- use public airwaves but use call screeners to exclude dissenting callers
How much revenue does the licensing company pay for radio broadcasting portion compared to the TV portion? Could donors make up the difference if there is a monetary loss? If there is a loss, how does it compare with the harm it is doing to its own principles, funding, students, and surrounding communities?
Are they violating their 501c3 tax exempt status? Here’s the IRS rule for political activity:
“Political activity. - If any of the activities (whether or not substantial) of your organization consist of participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, your organization will not qualify for tax-exempt status under section 501(c)(3). Such participation or intervention includes the publishing or distributing of statements.â€
No university has a good excuse not to reexamine it’s relationship with partisan radio stations and look for apolitical alternatives. If an existing contract cannot be voided without penalty, can donors be found to cover it?
Any university, state or private, supporting Republican talk radio is shooting itself in the foot, demeaning its mission statement and professed goals and values, and harming its students’ futures.
Here is that list of universities ($1000 x 15hrs/day x 5days = $75,000/week):
ALABAMA 8 $600,000 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 1 $75,000 Arizona St. 1
ARKANSAS 3 $225,000 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 $375,000 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 $300,000 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 $75,000 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 $1,500,000 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 $1,050,000 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 $525,000 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 $525,000 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 $825,000 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 $375,000 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 $300,000 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 $225,000 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 $225,000 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 $150,000 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 $75,000 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 $300,000 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 $450,000 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 $450,000 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 $75,000 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 $150,000 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 $225,000 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 $525,000 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 $375,000 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 $900,000 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 $300,000 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 $525,000 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 $1,200,000 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 $75,000 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 $450,000 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 $450,000 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 $150,000 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 5 $225,000 Wisconsin 5
There is no excuse for any school to support Trump radio.
holy ****!
short version: talk radio=right wing racists=hate speech=ban it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Star Member uponit7771 (37,187 posts)
7. +1, Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... any discussion without acknowledging these factors is usless
Star Member uponit7771 (37,187 posts)
87. and the undervote coming from their illegal purging, the DNC wants to win they should fix this shit
... and make that their priority going forward
They should check Detroit. They did some awesome 'overvoting' in Detroit!
Star Member baldguy (36,287 posts)
14. Clinton was too much of a female for the He Man Woman Haters Club.
And they weren't all on the Right.
groundloop (5,043 posts)
17. But Hillary WON the election by over 2.5 MILLION VOTES.... People forget that fact
It's just that we have a relic of a system that was implemented to appease slave states for selecting the President. Thanks to that the vote of those in small, rural states carries more weight towards selecting the president than people in states with large populations. This is going to put Democratic presidential candidates at a disadvantage until we can get rid of the horrible electoral college.
Star Member pnwmom (78,910 posts)
23. By almost 2.7 million votes, a 2% lead over Trump. This compares
to the half a million votes Gore had over Bush -- which was shocking enough.
Star Member Indydem (2,642 posts)
25. It. Doesn't. Matter.
The electoral college is all that matters.
Those people in California and New York aren't moving to Wisconsin and Michigan.
So next time we will lose the EC again, and win the popular vote - unless we start to take the fears and concerns of millions of underrepresented Americans seriously.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
80. So we should only concern ourselves ...
... with the minority who live in the "states that matter" in the EC, and ignore the majority who live elsewhere?
Why not kow-tow to the anti-choicers - they're a big voting block. What about reaching out to the homophobes, the xenophobes, the faux Christians - lots of votes there.
So let's just ignore the majority of voters who stood with HRC and the Dems - and instead cultivate the votes of those who oppose us, simply because they live in the right postal zones.
It's amusing to watch those who railed against "the oligarchs" advocating that we hand the governance of the nation over to those whose only obvious worth is having the "right" area code.
It's like talking to a child. This is how you win.
"BUT- we did this!"
That's not how you win. You do this to win.
"It's not fair!!!!"
That is the rules of the game.
"We must change the rules so we win."
Star Member InAbLuEsTaTe (6,964 posts)
151. Until the EC is eliminated by Constitutional Amendmt, we should play to win by the EC rules, definitely. That was the strategy Bernie advocated for winning, which, unfortunately, never got implemented
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
169. It has nothing to do with "the rules of the game". It has to do with catering to the needs/wants of people in certain states to the detriment of those in other states.
Kentonio (2,248 posts)
172. That's exactly what the rules of the game are.
Except it's not a game of course, its a system intentionally designed to ensure that people from all over the country get a say in how the government is run, and the needs/wants of one area cannot completely dominate those of other areas with smaller populations. I'd change to majority vote in a heartbeat, but that doesn't mean the current system isn't one that has a very real and justifiable grounding.
Star Member ismnotwasm (30,259 posts)
97. Shall we pander to their bigotry?
Will that alieve their "fears"?
Nwgirl503 (74 posts)
34. We overestimated people
We assumed things like the environment, climate change, diversity, equal rights, job creation, job training, economics, income, education and a whole host of other actual issues were important.
They're not. Sound bites from a barely functioning idiot with no plans or policies and misinformation that is repeated ad nauseam were the winners of the day.
Let's not make that mistake again.
Star Member George II (18,785 posts)
37. Where did we go wrong? We allowed amateurs and hackers to oversee our election.
ananda (16,485 posts)
41. Trump voters were so driven by racism ..
fear .. and hate that they were looking for any
excuses that would make it appear that
Clinton was just as bad or worse.
There was never any logic or reason to votes
of people acting from their reptile brains.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
45. The "reality" is that ...
... more people voted for her than voted for Trump.
But let's just ignore that - because it doesn't fit the narrative of those who insist the voters were against her and her message, when they apparently weren't.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
47. The MAJORITY of voters voted for HRC.
So tell us all again how she "didn't connect" with that MAJORITY. It's a story I so love hearing - told by those who keep ignoring that fact.
The Wizard (8,821 posts)
44. What is wrong is an electoral system put in place to satisfy Slave States or they wouldn't ratify the Constitution. We have a perverted, convoluted form of Democracy designed to be gamed by the minority. We have hackable voting machines and tabulating machines that operate under proprietary code, meaning the code that counts the votes is a secret. We're not talking defense secrets or national security, we're talking about counting the votes in public. Hell they're elections for public office, not private office.
Trump kept saying the election was rigged. Now even more restrictions will be put in place to prevent minorities from exercising their franchise.
Through gerrymandering and election fraud (far different than voter fraud) and voter suppression the majority's voice has been silenced.
So it appears as though the Slave States prevailed, even after losing a bloody war. What's most unfortunate is the states that provide the most income to the Treasury are Democratic leaning states. The taxes we pay subsidize the Republican leaning states that take far more from the system than they contribute. So we have a minority that contributes less while taking more than the states that fought them to abolish the immoral concept of slavery.
We do indeed live in a altered Universe.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
61. And exactly where ...
... did I (or anyone else on this site) insist that HRC was the "perfect candidate with the perfect message"?
When postmortem analyses are based on how the candidate who WON the majority of votes was "all wrong", one has to wonder what "wrong" garnered all of those votes.
The average voter does not read DU, or participate on political websites. Ergo, the average voter is no more aware of anyone's vote on the Iraq War than they are Glass-Steagle. They have no idea what TPP is, no less what provisions it contains. They don't know any more about what happened in Libya than than they know what happens in their own country.
Those who heard Trump say he was a champion of keeping jobs in the US didn't even know that he has outsourced US jobs to have his brand-name products manufactured in low-wage countries, despite the fact that the information was readily available. And you still think that voters were thinking about the TPP when they cast their ballots?
Nance, you ask people for their opinion and then slam them when they give it.
Just keep doing what you are doing. It worked great.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
65. I am well aware that we lost due to the EC.
I am also aware that the voters chose HRC, by a wide margin, to be the next POTUS.
Therefore, the only legitimate argument for why we lost would be our inability to win the EC, rather than our "wrong candidate" and "her wrong message" - who obviously wasn't "wrong" as far as the majority of voters were concerned.
Star Member world wide wally (6,964 posts)
51. Lets talk on GOP terms then;
Since an individual in Wyoming's vote is worth 3 times an individual in California's vote, then residents of Wyoming should pay 3 times the rate of Income Tax.
Star Member Grey Lemercier (1,154 posts)
104. 3.7 times
Only fix that can be done without a Constitutional Amendment is to increase the size of the US House of Representatives (and thus the EC number of electors) and make it a more fair distribution to the larger states. It's been stuck at 435 since 1913. It would only take overturning a 1929 Act.
Flatpicker (840 posts)
70. Back before
Fox news there were legal ways to counter the BS.
They could not run that type of campaign against Obama, though they tried. You can counter the BS by not having enough skeletons in the closet to make the average american think it may be plausible.
I do think Kerry was an aberration though. He was too thoughtful for his own good. He thinks while he speaks, and does nuance. American's don't like that. you can't soundbyte it.
lancelyons (5 posts)
63. There where multiple reasons.
There where multiple reasons that this happened.
-- Democrats focused too much on minorities and not on other Americans with needs as well.
-- Comey's major screw up, twice. The second time also bringing it back into the media and firing up Trump supporters.
-- Somebody (Russians) hacking the DNC and the slow leak from wiki leaks. Wikileaks is now a full fledged arm of the GOP.
Ultimately Comey's name will be tarnished in history and that will be his legacy. Would have been nice if he was punished a bit more by Democrats for what he did.
what do we need to do...
- continue to be the voice for the people of United States. the GOP is the voice of the companies and corporations.
- focus on all people and not just certain classes of people
- like the right wing media outlets did with Obama, other media outlets need to constantly highlight Trump and GOP screw ups. Constantly. However they have to do this with integrity. Not by making stuff up.
What scares me the most is that the GOP can mislead and tell lies left and right but they dont seem to be corrected or challenged on this. The media seems to do a bad job of not correcting the record and many voters only know the lies.
Everybody knows some republicans ought their and they all say the same thing. This is because they all watch fox news or other right wing outlets that push the same misleading information. Much of this made Hillary seem like a corrupt bad politician when in fact she is nothing even close. Nobody in the media bothered to correct the record.
Star Member DemonGoddess (4,636 posts)
171. are you ****ing serious???
Democrats focused too much on minorities and not on other Americans with needs as well.
You do realize it is MINORITIES and marginalized groups in general who power Democrats to begin with, yes? Without them, we HAVE no party.
Star Member prairierose (2,062 posts)
79. I don't believe we had the wrong candidate or the wrong message but...
Dem leadership has not talked enough or worked to fix the broken voting system. When Kris Kobach's Crosscheck program is used so successfully in so many states to disenfranchise dem voters, this is a problem. Did we hear any dem leaders talking about this? The corporate media gave trumpery inordinate face time and ignored Bernie and Hillary and every other dem candidate. Have we heard dem leaders talking about the inherent bias of the corporate media? Have we heard any dem leaders telling their constituents and all the rest of us that we need to fight for net neutrality? Have we heard any leaders suggest that we need to build a media operation on the progressive side? One that might actually cover real news and issues instead of the celebrity du jour? This could really only happen through the internet and f net neutrality goes away, kiss streaming goodbye. I am sure I won't be able to afford it when comcast and AT&T get done jacking up service rates.
The problems that are wrong, that give us such disadvantages are all constructs of a billionaire network that began building these infrastructures in the 1970s. Have we hear any dem leaders (other than Hillary who took so much shit for calling it the vast right wing conspiracy that it was/is) talk about this at all? Make suggestions for for building our own progressive infrastructure to counter what is there?
These are the things we should be talking about not beating people up over the "wrong" candidate or the "wrong' message. We need to start working together build a solid base that can not be corrupted by ..............................oh, I can't stop myself....the forces of evil.
There it is in a nutshell.
Dems don't believe they did anything wrong and so won't do anything to fix it. It was the system that was wrong- not them.
NanceGreggs (21,795 posts)
82. Well, you'll never catch me ...
... defending the media.
Being a woman of a certain age, I grew up with Walter Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow. I grew up in a world where if a "journalist" said something on TV, it was a fact - because TV journalists in those days checked, double-checked, and re-checked the facts before smiling into the camera and saying anything that couldn't be backed-up a thousand fold.
Today's media is comprised of well-groomed, well-coiffed, well-dressed idiots who are believed simply because they are well-groomed, well-coiffed, and well-dressed.
The people voted for Trump are the same people who think Wolf Blitzer is a "journalist" - because if he wasn't, he wouldn't be on TV.
rtracey (1,499 posts)
120. Ill tell you
I'll tell you where we went wrong. Heres where WE... went wrong
Not enough people/media came out against the allegations of Hillary being involved in Benghazi
Not enough people/media came out against the allegations of Hillary being involved in a cover up with the Email Server
Not enough people/media came out against the allegations of Hillary being involved in corruption involving the Clinton Global Init.
Not enough people/media came out against the allegations of Hillary being involved in Libya
Not enough people/media came out against the allegations of Hillary being involved in cheating the Haitians out of earthquake funds
Too many people/media came out to the ****ump rallies
Too many people/media didn't give a shit about making fun of disabled people
Too many people/media didn't give a shit about making fun of Foreign workers and immigrants
Too many people/media didn't give a shit about making fun of the elderly
Too many people/media didn't give a shit about making fun of black people being killed by cops
Too many people/media didn't give a shit about making fun of the horrendous acts ****ump did against women
Too many Bernie or bust/Stein supporters, white women, white men, just didnt give a shit about Clinton because she was a woman
Too many people didn't give a shit about voting at all...... you know who you are, well **** you for that.
and THE MEDIA GAVE ****UMP FREE 100 MILLION DOLLAR MEDIA BLITZ....
So to these specific groups/people I say I hope the shit hits the fan on you big, big, big.... they are:
The Media, including MSNBC, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all the rest, Scarborough, Miki, all the asshole on MSNBC, including Rachel Maddow, Tweety...Chris Matthews, et. al
everyone who voted for ****ump, Stein, the other idiots, everyone who decided to sit this out, the asses who felt it was not important enough to vote for president, but choose down ballot candidates, the ****ing Russians who hacked us, Comey for being somewhat traitorous, every politician who doesn't have balls enough to stand up to ****ump, Dick McConnell (yes I know his name is Mitch), Dick Ryan (yes, I know his name is Paul....see where Im going with this?)..... et, al....
