You could see it coming. Hillary should never have run in 2016.

[dutch508]

Star Member mtnsnake (19,536 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512635150

You could see it coming. Hillary should never have run in 2016.

By 2016, she was way too flawed, had too much baggage, plus she wasn't one of the better campaigners. In fairness to her, though, 2016 would have been a little more difficult election for any Democrat to win because it is rare in modern times for a party to win 3 consecutive terms in a row.

If she hadn't lost to Barack Obama in the 2008 primaries, she would most likely have won the general election and become the first woman president back then. Eight miserable years of Bush and Cheney helped to open up the doors for us in 2008. Running in 2016 was a different story.

Even though Hillary was such a qualified candidate,  [     ]she had way too much baggage, she was not nearly as good a campaigner as someone like Obama was, and it's hard for one party to win 3 consecutive elections in a row. The only ray of hope she had of winning this time around was when Trump became her opponent. It was perfect. Nobody could possibly lose to that disgusting piece of shit liar. Yet she couldn't even beat that bum in any of the states where it counted. Yes, Comey may have had a hand in it, but come on, this was Trump we were running against, not Reagan.

Had Obama not come along to make history, 2008 would have been Hillary's year to make history, not 2016. By 2016 too many people across the country had had enough of the Bushes and Clintons. But she just had to be the first woman president.

 

Table (6 posts)
1. No, she won the popular vote. She is going to win in 2020. The glass ceiling WILL BREAK.

She'll be dead in six months. Plus- the only votes that put her over the top in popular vote were probably illegal ones.

RiverStone (6,758 posts)
42. Gawd no!!! We need an Elizabeth Warren progressive!

In fact, let's elect her Prez in 2020!

 

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (699 posts)
61. Oh, dear lord I hope she doesn't run again.

She was a terrible candidate in 2008. In 2015 she started raising tons of money with the express purpose of scaring off other Democrats. Bernie would have gotten the nomination had he gotten any real coverage in the mainstream media, or had the DNC not gone out of their way to make sure she got the nomination.

I recall thinking two years ago, when various possible candidates' names were being bandied about was, Isn't there anyone NEW?

Elizabeth Warren should run in 2020. She should have run this past time, but Hillary's presence kept her out. Warren is a person of genuine integrity, and that's what we will need down the road.

Star Member geek tragedy (66,055 posts)
2. it wasn't the past 'baggage'

people had priced all that in.

what killed her was the new stuff--Clinton foundation stuff, email server, and stunningly stupid decision to spend two years giving highly paid speeches to banks

 

Star Member Raster (15,382 posts)
35. As I have posted before, I work in a very high security job in the financial industry...I ALWAYS heed the security rules and regs and NEVER cut the corners. It was NOT Clinton's decision to make. There were protocols in place for government email, and if she was going to do the job, she should have adhered to established email security policy. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, she used her own email server FOR HER CONVENIENCE.

JHan (659 posts)
41. And no one saw this or noted it....? Or raise an eyebrow?

to me that's the point. Hillary even reached out to a former Secretary of State to discuss ways and means of circumventing the problem with Powell - ( he didn't recommend she use a server though) but that tells me this was a problem.. ignored.

but yes, it was for her convenience.

Star Member Raster (15,382 posts)
44. OH NO, Clinton was urged by EVERYONE that knew she was going to use her...

...own email server NOT TO DO SO. Colin Powell even went on record plainly stating he did not urge her to do so, and in fact, advised against it. Her own staffers commented privately -as we discovered from the Podesta Wikileaks emails- that this would/could be a problem down the line.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/colin-powell-clinton-emails-228135

<snip>

On another occasion, Powell complained in an email to Lawrence Wilkerson, his former chief of staff.

"HRC and her mishandling of this has really given her a major problem I do not wish to get involved in, despite the best efforts of her team to drag me in," Powell wrote on Sept. 7, 2015.

Star Member emulatorloo (30,300 posts)
72. Take your Breitbart lies somewhere else.

Thats' ****ing bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

Star Member Skinner (62,733 posts)
4. "She just had to be the first woman president."

What if she just wanted to be president?

      Skinns? Has Hillary paid this months' bills for DU yet?

Star Member Skinner (62,733 posts)
14. Shame on her for wanting to be president.

Not like those other presidential candidates who don't actually want the job.

 

Star Member Skinner (62,733 posts)
21. Name another candidate for whom wanting to be president is considered a negative.

They all want to be president.

She ran because she wanted to be president. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be president if you are running for president. It's actually a prerequisite for the job.

 

Star Member Skinner (62,733 posts)
34. Her motivation is irrelevant!

Basically what you are saying is that it is ok to run for president if you are a white dude because your motivation is not corrupted by some ulterior motive.

But if you are a woman your motivation to be president is suspect because you have this ulterior motive of also wanting to be the first woman president. As if it were somehow possible to untangle the appropriate motive from the inappropriate one. That's the point I was trying to make. What if the woman thing was not her primary motivation. What if she just wanted to be president? Would that be ok? Would she have your blessing to run for president if she was doing it because she wanted to be president

 

Star Member Skinner (62,733 posts)
66. Now that we know the outcome it is easy to say she shouldn't have run.

For all the reasons you list in your OP.

But here's the deal. For better or worse she was the obvious front runner in 2015. Expecting her not to run when she appeared to be in such a dominant position seems unreasonable to me. I can't think of another presidential primary candidate in recent history who was in an equally dominant position who declined to run. (Maybe Cuomo in 1992 -- but remember that he declined to run because he thought Bush I was unbeatable by any Dem. It wasn't because he thought he would hurt the Dems' chance of winning the presidency by running himself.)

 

Star Member LisaM (18,205 posts)
45. Well I felt worse this time around.

She would have made a kick-ass president. It's to our shame that people in this country couldn't see it and went for a reality TV star instead. I've had it with worrying about what other people deem charismatic as far as picking candidates. I find intelligence, passion, competence, and experience to be quite charismatic. People like Trump and GW Bush just flat out turn me off. I don't know how people can even listen to their voices.

One thing I am so sick of that I could scream is the concept of disruption. Yes, let's play that game and disrupt people out of jobs, livelihood, security, healthcare, and now personal safety because some people want their candidate to be a TV star!

I don't know when we began to denigrate experience as a job qualification.

Star Member R B Garr (4,919 posts)
8. You could see it coming. Bernie should never have run in 2016.

His whole primary platform was based on divisiveness. He badmouthed the Democratic party for years. He badmouthed Clinton as a mainstay of his whole candidacy. The Wall Street meltdown was eight years ago, but he talked about it as if Clinton herself was responsible. He offered no real solutions, just pie-in-the-sky. He saw an opportunity to push Clinton aside and he selfishly took it without any regard to the damage he was causing.

Trump thanked Bernie for handing him the Clinton smear book. Looks like Bernie now wants to take credit for Trump's win, but from that perspective, it's clear he now admits how much he damaged Clinton with his own selfish pursuits.

BERNIE'S FAULT!!!!!

TheCowsCameHome (33,981 posts)
16. Oh, please.

 

Nothing is ever her fault.

Star Member LenaBaby61 (1,207 posts)
79. People mad that Hillary ran really need to wake the hell UP...

And get off that NOW ....

Because we don't know if in 2020 we'll have "A" proper playing field to vote on, or IF under a tRump DOJ/FBI after 4 years, we as Dems or others who oppose a Pence/Putin/tRump presidency or a Rethug Senate/House or if Russia will be even more of a fixture in our elections than Dems/others are. Bad enough tRump and his Nazi Bannon feel that Putin IS a better leader than our OWN President. Bannon also has voiced an opinion that blacks really don't NEED to vote period. In fact that Nazi said he doesn't care if anybody but people who support them and their agenda have the right to vote. In other words, he ONLY wants rich white males and perhaps white women to vote but no to anyone else. Racist, woman-abusing, fat POS.

Like Bannon, and a Pence/Putin/tRump DOJ/FBI or a Rethug Senate or racist tea-thuglican House cares one damn about if Dems have more input into their own elections in the USA than Russia/Putin does.

People worrying about and in a way mocking Hillary better hope we can vote in enough numbers PERIOD in 2016 and beyond. Like Bernie would have fared any better with what Hillary had to endure. Bannon was going to turn Bernie into not only a Commie/Castro-loving/Socialist, but also into a Pedophile/Rapist IF he had won the Dem nomination. Would have been just as brutal for him, and we know that this media would have ran with the Pedophile/Rapist meme's while mostly ignoring what that lying, p***y-grabbing, sexist, racist, dumb, POS was doing and saying.

How the DUmpmonkiez see America in six months:

Gothmog (33,444 posts)
78. You are wrong

Clinton won the popular vote and ran a good campaign despite some illegal actions by the FBI and Putin

Yes, we are going to hear how Trump stole the election for the next 8 years...

[Mr Mannn]

Skinner's wife must have been looking over his shoulder. 

[Maverick1987]

Table (6 posts)
1. No, she won the popular vote. She is going to win in 2020. The glass ceiling WILL BREAK

That glass ceiling will break someday, and she will be a REPUBLICAN

[Big Dog]

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (699 posts)
61. Oh, dear lord I hope she doesn't run again.

She was a terrible candidate in 2008. In 2015 she started raising tons of money with the express purpose of scaring off other Democrats. Bernie would have gotten the nomination had he gotten any real coverage in the mainstream media, or had the DNC not gone out of their way to make sure she got the nomination.

I recall thinking two years ago, when various possible candidates' names were being bandied about was, Isn't there anyone NEW?

Elizabeth Warren should run in 2020. She should have run this past time, but Hillary's presence kept her out. Warren is a person of genuine integrity, and that's what we will need down the road.

Wait, what? Princess Liawatha? The woman who scammed her way through law school and into a cushy job based on her cheekbones (which are not Asiatic, incidentally. They are good Northern European cheekbones- but not good enough for her)? The woman who made her fortune from Wall Street, yet you worship her as an anti-capitalist?

That Eliabeth Warren?

You must be joking.

[Karin]

Yes, Liz looks straight outta Wales. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

That glass ceiling will break someday, and she will be a REPUBLICAN

Funny how no one at the DUmp has congratulated the one woman who did break the glass ceiling in 2016.

Kellyanne Conway, first woman to lead a winning Presidential campaign.

[franksolich]

The primitives are right; she shouldn't have run in 2016, being eight years older and eight years in deteriorating health as compared as how she'd been in 2008.

But if she wished to be president, she had no choice but to wait until this year. 

Destiny had decreed that 2008 was to be her year, but then all these affluent white liberals with guilty consciences decided a "black" (quotation marks intentional) man deserved the nomination more than a mere woman did.  After which all the other Democrats, liberals, and primitives fell in line.

If the primitives are seeking someone to blame for Messalina Agrippina's loss, they need look no further than inside the anti-woman Democrat party.

[Carl]

In 2008 the DNC knew that shillary would have trouble winning an election where literally they just needed a name on a ballot otherwise.

[98ZJUSMC]

Yes, Liz looks straight outta Wales.

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

" Bad enough tRump and his Nazi Bannon feel that Putin IS a better leader than our OWN President."
Oh, please. My own dad is a better leader than Obama could ever hope to be!

[SVPete]

Yes, Liz looks straight outta Wales.

Hillary gave birth to Warren?

[Maverick1987]

Hillary gave birth to Warren?

  

[DumbAss Tanker]

Yes, Liz looks straight outta Wales.

Well, I'll grant that with short black hair and baggy suit, she could sure pass as a Welsh MAN.

[docstew]

Bernie would have gotten the nomination had he gotten any real coverage in the mainstream media, or had the DNC not gone out of their way to make sure she got the nomination.

This. This right here shows how delusional they are.

They are willing to overlook the fact that Hilliary illegally fixed the primary in cooperation with the DNC to ensure that she got the nomination. It wasn't enough for her to know that she had the superdelegates in her pocket, she wanted a coronation. Had Bernie won the nomination, he very possibly could have won the general against Trump. But she HAD TO HAVE IT. So she cheated. She, with the DNC's willing participation, cheated so badly that a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT has been filed against the DNC by Bernie voters for defrauding them. I pray to Dog that this lawsuit can go forward and finally destroy the DNC with their history of vote fixing, racism, and voter suppression.

[FunkyZero]

Star Member LisaM (18,205 posts)
45. Well I felt worse this time around.

She would have made a kick-ass president. It's to our shame that people in this country couldn't see it and went for a reality TV star instead. I've had it with worrying about what other people deem charismatic as far as picking candidates. I find intelligence, passion, competence, and experience to be quite charismatic. People like Trump and GW Bush just flat out turn me off. I don't know how people can even listen to their voices.

In reality, you confused "charismatic" for "intelligence, passion, competence, and experience". That's how we ended up with 8 years of bozo the clown in office. You know, the guy who's never held a job and is now a multi-millionaire?
Snowflake season has ended, we humored you for longer than we should have... and I hope your manufactured reality is torn from you in the most painful and impressive fashion over the next 4 8 years that you are unlikely to EVER get over it.

[FunkyZero]

The primitives are right; she shouldn't have run in 2016, being eight years older and eight years in deteriorating health as compared as how she'd been in 2008.

But if she wished to be president, she had no choice but to wait until this year. 

Destiny had decreed that 2008 was to be her year, but then all these affluent white liberals with guilty consciences decided a "black" (quotation marks intentional) man deserved the nomination more than a mere woman did.  After which all the other Democrats, liberals, and primitives fell in line.

If the primitives are seeking someone to blame for Messalina Agrippina's loss, they need look no further than inside the anti-woman Democrat party.

I dunno... I'm still convinced that it wouldn't have matter WHO they ran as long as they continued to promote radically left ideology. This was the year of the backlash. Obama/Pelosi/Reid showed ALL of their cards over 8 years, and we have the results of said policy in hand... there's no arguing or speculation as to what caused the mess we are in. Couple that with the trending SJW debauchery, 20 Trillion in deficit, cuddling up with/promoting islam, ignoring our internal security, condescending attitude toward Israel, PROMOTING the demise of our cultural foundations with illegal immigration, buckling to EVERY third-world government while they laugh at us uncontrollably... I mean, he has turned the United States into a global punch line. The left considers American citizens and their way of life to be expendable in their quest. How many Presidents promote their ideals by fiat, then DARE the citizenry to sue him if they don't like it?
The dimwits ONLY chance is not to double down on the stupid, but to start veering right to some degree... and it wouldn't take much. THAT is the ONLY thing that would have attracted the voters they desperately needed, IMHO.
They lost when far too many of their voters stayed home and got drunk while scores of not just conservatives, but refugees from the center, cast their vote to shut this nightmare down.
Obviously there is never a solitary reason, but these are the most prominent as I see it.
Most of America does NOT want to emulate France, and that is the goal of the far left.