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I loved Fidel
« on: November 26, 2016, 07:13:54 AM »
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Star Member malaise (148,782 posts)

I loved Fidel
He was a great neighbor and he stood up to the global bully
Rest my brother - we'll judge the education level, the healthcare achievements and your role in destroying apartheid in Africa. Thanks for the doctors, nurses, scholarships and your genuine desire for hemispheric independence. You were loved.

I am watching BBC and local TV for objective coverage.

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1. Those who care about Human Rights despised him

I imagine in your mind you think you have a clue about the atrocities...in the end your ignorance changes not a thing, mourn if you want, just do not expect people to look you in the eye if you brag about it.

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Star Member malaise (148,782 posts)
2. I'm trying not to laugh

Examine US governments' atrocities at home and across the planet then get back to me.

I loved Fidel - that simple.

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Star Member Judi Lynn (109,189 posts)
11. So did the non-racist, non-oligarchal Cubans.

As someone who goes frequently to Cuba, has lived and worked there, has relatives there has told us, he used to tool around Cuba in his jeep with the top down, and people greeted him everywhere he went, young, and old.

Clearly there are some right-wingers who have bought every shred of propaganda ever dreamed up by rabid people determined to mold public perception about what happened in Cuba after the people's revolution.

People might have learned differently if they had simply dared to go to Cuba through a third country, like Mexico, etc. It surely wasn't Cuba keeping them out, was it?

Thank you, malaise.

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Star Member malaise (148,782 posts)
12. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Star Member Grey Lemercier (881 posts)
3. favouring one evil over another is ****ed up

I love how people force everything into binary thought.

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Star Member malaise (148,782 posts)
4. Cuba has the best educated and healthiest population in our hemisphere

Cuba is a friend to Jamaica.
Cuba embarrassed the world over ebola.
You won't change my mind on that.
Thank you Fidel

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Star Member Grey Lemercier (881 posts)
6. ludicrous

5 myths about Cuba

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/5-myths-about-cuba/2016/03/25/44f0b3e2-f21e-11e5-89c3-a647fcce95e0_story.html?client=ms-android-samsung


They oppressed blacks, gays for decades as well. BTW, I am half Bajan, so am aware of inherent West Indian oppression of LGBTQ, and Jamaica is the most violently homophobic country in the western hemisphere. Truly horrific. So in that sense, Cuba and Yard have common cause.

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Star Member secondwind (5,194 posts)
8. BFD, they can't do anything with that education. They can hardly EAT. They cannot own their own

businesses, except for just a little bit of MATTRESS REPAIRING, etc., but God forbid you also want to sell mattresses... nope, you aren't allowed to. You can only be a tiny cog in a big machine, heaven forbid you actually become SUCCESSFUL.

I visited a Temple there, a man followed us there, and he sat outside the door of the office where we were visiting...we were followed everywhere, even to the airport

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Star Member secondwind (5,194 posts)
7. His people would disagree with you, malaise. Big time.. He separated families, ripped children from

their parents' arms and shipped them off to the U.S.

One of those children is a friend of mine.. I doubt she sees him in the same light. She lived with three different families until the day came when her parents were "allowed" to leave Cuba. Her mother's ring was taken from her finger before she could get on a plane.

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Star Member Judi Lynn (109,189 posts)
18. Are you unware it was the CIA who created that rumor which got the middle & upper class parents,

terrified that their children would be put in camps, or sent to the Soviet Union, etc., etc., and raced to throw them on airplanes to the US, and the entire colossal stunt was called "Operation Peter Pan?"

By the way, the children "left behind" in Cuba were NOT put in camps or sent to "Soviet Russia." Surprise!

Spend some time finding out about the subject first, then talk about the event from an informed foundation.

Excerpt from:
The Bay of Pigs and the CIA
By Juan Carlos Rodríguez

Page 55 | Legal Custody of Children

Operation Peter Pan began to take shape in Washington in mid-1960. (It was called that because Peter Pan had taken the three darling children away to Never-Never Land.) The name was sadly ironic: for many of those children who were sent out of Cuba, the United States would be a land from which they would never, never return home. The operation formed part of the arsenal used to psychologically soften up the Cuban people. With it, the Propaganda Section in Quarters Eye decided to unleash a propaganda campaign to make ordinary Cubans believe that, under a communist government, children - like the land, industries, stores and housing - would become the property of the state. If that happened, parents would lose legal custody of their children.

The CIA experts were confident that, if they managed to sow that doubt in some of the people, the fear would gather momentum and could lead to the exodus of thousands of children, split up families and thus undermine the families' support of the government. Undoubtedly, it would be a most effective destabilizing measure.

The first phase of the operation consisted of having the radio station carry a "news" bulletin that would alarm the people and be spread by word of mouth. Therefore, one October night in 1960, Radio Swan made its first reference to this subject in its 8:00 news broadcast:
"Cuban mothers, don't let them take your children away! The Revolutionary Government will take them away from you when they turn five and will keep them until they are 18. By that time, they will be materialist monsters."


During the following months, over and over again, the station would rebroadcast that false "news item" about children being taken away from their parents. In December 1960, the CIA experts felt that the idea had taken root on the island and decided to go on to the next phase, which would split Cuban families and finally cause some of them to oppose the government. That would guarantee solid support for the invaders. Under apparently legal cover, using the services of the Catholic Church, the children's exodus began. Operation Peter Pan was carried out under a religious cloak as "humanitarian assistance" provided by the Catholic Services Bureau in Florida. Its main protagonist, who allowed himself to be used as a figurehead, was Monsignor Bryan O. Walsh.

More:
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/pedro.htm

Hey malaise :bigbird:

More drivel at the link.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 07:23:47 AM »
I've said this to you DUmmies before - Use Google's satellite images.

Take a look at your community, wherever you live, then go look at Cuba. Once one leaves the 'permitted' tourist areas, one will see in full color what Castro has done to that nation.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 07:32:32 AM »
Quote from: miskie on November 26, 2016, 07:23:47 AM
I've said this to you DUmmies before - Use Google's satellite images.

Take a look at your community, wherever you live, then go look at Cuba. Once one leaves the 'permitted' tourist areas, one will see in full color what Castro has done to that nation.

Cuba is such a shining star with their universal health care and highly educated populace, thousands rig up floatation devices and risk their lives in shark infested waters to row 90 miles north so they could get to the US and reduce their standard of living.

I don't know what these people are smoking, but I want some.   :stoner:
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Because only the left goes searching for that which is not there in a desperate attempt to be offended about something.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

Many people do not see evil until the gas is flowing into the chamber. That is why they get on the trains in the first place.

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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2016, 07:43:23 AM »
Well, I'll keep my eye on this thread... smoldering thermite is what it is. This outta be a good one
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2016, 07:45:57 AM »
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36. His second GREATEST CRIME

was allowing freaks like the Cruz family get out alive. Marco tried to fool us that the freak Rubios escaped because of Castro but that was a lie. Now they are here with their rightwing shit.

I read through that putrid swamp of a thread and there are moments when I think that we should say **** it and have a civil war to be rid of these inhuman montrosities.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2016, 07:49:05 AM »
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11. So did the non-racist, non-oligarchal Cubans.

As someone who goes frequently to Cuba, has lived and worked there, has relatives there has told us, he used to tool around Cuba in his jeep with the top down, and people greeted him everywhere he went, young, and old.

Many Russian people loved Stalin and thought their world had ended when he died. That doesn't make Stalin the second worse mass-murdering monster (in numbers) in human history (after Mao). That Fidel was significantly less of a mass murderer is due to 2 reasons: opportunity (Cuba is a small island); Fidel was less ruthless than Kim I, II, and III, i.e. unwilling to starve a huge percentage of Cuba's population.

If Castro's Cuba was such a Paradise, why didn't mal move there? And why were so many Cuban people so desperate to leave Cuba?
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2016, 07:52:20 AM »
 malaise reaffirms that it (he/she?) is truly a...."malaise".
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2016, 08:30:00 AM »
http://www.therealcuba.com

http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=77

http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=62

Tell that to the millions who risked their very lives escaping that brutal regime, you maggot. Btw, best education in the Western Hemisphere? Says/said who, Castro?


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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2016, 08:34:07 AM »
That SECOND GREATEST CRIME elicited a laugh from another proglodyte.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2016, 08:50:01 AM »
Quote from: Patriot Guard Rider on November 26, 2016, 07:32:32 AM
I don't know what these people are smoking, but I want some.   :stoner:

I don't - its obvious it comes with permanent debilitating effects.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2016, 09:18:36 AM »
Well this should tell eveyone about DUmp thought, piss on these commies.

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48. He hated America, that's all it should take for us to love him.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2016, 09:28:15 AM »
^^Hey Carl^^
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2016, 10:01:23 AM »
Man, that Trump Train keeps on rolling. I'm not tired of winning yet!
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2016, 11:49:53 AM »
Cubs win the WS!
Trump trounces the evil traitorous hag!
fidel takes a dirt nap!!!

Has 2016 been good or what!
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2016, 12:51:53 PM »
truly one of the most disgusting DUmmies.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2016, 01:08:33 PM »
Cuba before Castro and Communism.

Cuba before Castro
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/12/cuba_before_castro.html

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What was Cuba like before Castro?  It was ruled by Fulgencio Batista, invariably and idiotically portrayed as a “right-wing tyrant,” but there are no “left” and “right” that make sense at all in modern history.  Batista’s story shows this truth well.  He was a mixture of several races – black, Chinese, Indian, Spanish – unlike pure white Castro.  Batista worked in the sugar plantations, unlike the affluent Castro.  Batista’s background was proletarian, while Castro’s was pure bourgeois.   

What was the politics of Batista?  Batista described himself as a “progressive socialist,” and in 1934, long before Castro, it was Batista who first legalized the Communist Party in Cuba and put communists in his cabinet.  When he won the presidency in 1940 by a comfortable margin in a free election, the Communist Party actively supported Batista.  Small wonder, then, that Sumner Welles, undersecretary of state, warned FDR that Batista was a communist.

Unlike communists, who were pro-Hitler until June 22, 1941, Batista strongly opposed Hitler even during the Nazi-Soviet Alliance.  John Gunther noted in 1940 that “[t]he Batista government has taken as strong action against Fifth Columnism as any other Latin American state” and that almost alone in Latin America, Batista included the Phalange in his anti-Fifth Columnist ban.

Cuba was an economic powerhouse.
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How did Cubans live under Batista?  The standard of living of Cubans then was higher than that in any other Latin American nation.  Caloric consumption was as high as in any other Latin American nation in the western hemisphere except America and Canada, and it was much higher in protein than in most other Latin American nations.  Cuban infant mortality under Batista was lower than in France or Italy.  Batista set up mobile health units for rural areas.  He mandated compulsory industrial insurance for workers and enacted minimum-wage and eight-hour-workday laws.

Literacy in Cuba under Batista was among the lowest in Latin America.  Cubans also owned more radios and televisions per capita than any other people in Latin America, and there were many independent radio and television stations Cubans could turn to for news and entertainment.  There were also a number of independent newspapers and magazines, many of which were critical of the Batista government.

Living the Havana High Life
http://mashable.com/2014/12/24/havana-before-castro-revolution/#D_YqzkWTukqq
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2016, 01:20:10 PM »
Just goes to show you not all of them are stupid or uninformed. Some of them are just flat out evil.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2016, 01:25:53 PM »
Quote from: Patriot Guard Rider on November 26, 2016, 07:32:32 AM
Cuba is such a shining star with their universal health care and highly educated populace, thousands rig up floatation devices and risk their lives in shark infested waters to row 90 miles north so they could get to the US and reduce their standard of living.

I don't know what these people are smoking, but I want some.   :stoner:

You completely nailed it, PGR.  Ten ring.  :cheersmate:


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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2016, 01:41:41 PM »
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4. Cuba has the best educated and healthiest population in our hemisphere

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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2016, 02:16:08 PM »
Quote from: Karin on November 26, 2016, 09:28:15 AM
^^Hey Carl^^

Without even looking I give it 70/30 it was ignored.

Off to see.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2016, 02:17:37 PM »
One rather lame reply so not ignored entirely but avoided.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2016, 03:56:00 PM »
Quote from: miskie on November 26, 2016, 07:23:47 AM
I've said this to you DUmmies before - Use Google's satellite images.

Take a look at your community, wherever you live, then go look at Cuba. Once one leaves the 'permitted' tourist areas, one will see in full color what Castro has done to that nation.

Funny thing is, most Cubans would probably rather be in gitmo (one of those lovely tourist areas) than in their own country.  At least they'd get three full meals a day there. Can't claim the same on the other side of the fence.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2016, 06:03:06 PM »
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I loved Fidel
He was a great neighbor and he stood up to the global bully
Rest my brother - we'll judge the education level, the healthcare achievements and your role in destroying apartheid in Africa. Thanks for the doctors, nurses, scholarships and your genuine desire for hemispheric independence. You were loved.

I am watching BBC and local TV for objective coverage.

Then why are you still living in the USA you miserable communist ****?  Get the hell out of the USA. 
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2016, 06:08:23 PM »
notice Christine and the rest of her family moved to Jamaica and the US from Guyana, they all avoided Cuba. Christine should just stick to cricket.
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Re: I loved Fidel
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2016, 09:01:27 PM »
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4. Cuba has the best educated and healthiest population in our hemisphere

This is just the height of stupid. What medical procedures and medicines have been invented/discovered by Cuba? What industrial process was invented by Cuba? What electronic technology?

If my family lived in Cuba as normal Cubans, three of the five of us would certainly be dead, one would be unable to walk or dead, and just one still alive. But we live with US healthcare, where two of us were saved by brain surgery, one by chemotherapy, one a second time by angioplasty, and the fourth was saved from disability by 3 weeks of massive antibiotics in a world-class hospital.

The stupidity in mal's post is so moronic that any of hundreds of millions of US citizens knows it's absurd.

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