You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned

[Carl]

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Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:12 AM

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,217 posts)

You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with
I have lived here all my life.

If you ask anyone who voted for Trump around here WHY they did it, they will say FIRST, "Hillary was going to take away my guns"

After that, labor workers with a small number of employees are seeing documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled, and turn around to take undocumented workers and skirt the taxes the white labor worker pays. I *get* that undocumented workers pay tax, but they don't pay INCOME tax, and Saint Reagan taught them that it isn't fair for them not to...but it *is* hunky dorey for someone who is extremely wealthy to do it.

The dichotomy I referred to in that last paragraph gets to the crux of the matter: These people want a class system, as long as THEY don't feel like they're at the bottom of it. They *want* to bow to someone "greater" than them. They want to *believe* there are some greater than them.

And they are racist.

They aren't overtly racist, they've learned to couch the term '******' and only say it when there are only white people around; (<<<-------- I defy *any* white person who grew up in a blue collar neighborhood to *try* and tell me that isn't the case.) but you'd better have a picture of someone in a white hood with a flaming cross for them to believe someone is, and even then, it's probably photo shopped, because minorities "get everything".

They don't want to be reasoned with. They want to be TOLD. They *love* cock sure. Seriously. They *love* John Wayne, pilgrim. They want to be told to sit down and shut up, as long as they think that accomplishes some spiteful end (and I mean *any* spite nugget) they'll get behind it.

I can't convince any of these people to buy the Brooklyn Bridge...but you can best believe I can get them to agree to PAY for it, ten times over if I just tell them we will keep the "others" away. We will keep the n-words out. We will keep those Muslim terrorists out.

You want no fly, no buy? Show them a commercial where a Muslim cleric getting off a plane, walking into a gun store buys a gun and then walks into a movie theatre and cut to black, and the sounds of shots firing. That kind of basic, primal shit resonates with them.

They don't want to have to THINK about it. They just want someone who is cocksure and will 'get 'er done'. They don't give a shit about bathrooms, other than they were TOLD to be outraged, so they are.

They don't give a shit about those emails, other than they were TOLD to be outraged, so they are.

They don't give a shit about how things work either. These are binary thinkers. They like it concise that way. Wrap it in the flag, tell them if they were real Americans, they'd...(insert it here) and if they're not outraged, they're stupid little pussies.

They also don't give a shit about what WE think. They don't think, because they like to be TOLD WHAT to think, instead of taught HOW to think. It's the meeting of "low information voters" meets the "spite entitlement" I've been coining for so long.

If you doubt it, just ask yourself the question I have been asking since the night of Melania Trump's speech at the RNC: WHERE IS MELANIA TRUMP'S SPEECHWRITER?. <<<<----- They don't care. They were told that isn't a big deal.

What about the Trump Foundation? <<<<------ They don't care. They were told the Clinton Foundation took money from Qatar. They were TOLD that's a bigger infraction, and so therefore it is.

Facts don't *matter* to them, because it is hard for them to discern a fact from an opinion. Really. Truly. This is not new.

They don't want to be reasoned with...they want to be TOLD.

Please run with this message,you will win all 57 states. 

Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:14 AM

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,217 posts)
7. Oh I completely agree with you, except that...

if you *TELL* them, and I mean, not "we need to address the 'low information' voters" and instead say, "Hey, you ****ing *idiot*. Wake the **** up", in a lot of instances, they hear you.

Don't ask them. TELL them.

Tell them it's GROSS to cut 'little old lady' benefits...not "social security is solvent and beats the stock market at nearly every metric"

Ask them what our Veterans fought for if we let our own go hungry on the streets.

etc, etc, and so forth

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:21 AM

Star Member MADem (133,659 posts)
9. So **** 'em. I say stop trying to appeal to them. We've met the enemy, and they are them.

I'm not going to stand by while a bunch of morons flush our nation down the crapper.

Never again!!

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:22 AM

Star Member HelenWheels (1,932 posts)
10. You are right on

I live in Wisconsin where most of the people here never met a fact they believed. It's impossible to talk politics with them because they deal in emotions, not facts. Oh, and we have many racists here, too. Used to be a great state to live in but I believe it has become the state of the uneducated. The great unwashed public no longer believes in education thanks to Gov, Walker'r vendetta on teachers.

i think I should move across the Mississippi to Minnesota and get out of Wississippi.

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:25 AM

melman (1,611 posts)
14. Wow

What a hateful thread.

It is what the soul of the left is.

Response to melman (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:50 AM

Star Member Grey Lemercier (844 posts)
18. truth hurts??

Sod those racist, homophobic, misogynistic know-nothings. They can go **** themselves with those ******* xian bibles they thump to justify dehumanising us and then to destroy our lives.

Case in point.

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:13 PM

Star Member wisteria (19,139 posts)
26. Sigh. How do you reason with the unreasonable?

Response to wisteria (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:31 PM

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,217 posts)
38. ridicule. nt

Call everyone that disagrees with you deplorable,they will race to the polls to vote for you in droves! 

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:25 PM

Star Member treestar (65,668 posts)
32. I agree

I've run into that type of person. When you finally get mad at them, they admire that because you are "tough" and they finally do what you want.

All this talk of having sympathy for them and being nice to them is inapplicable. They just think you are a "wuss."

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 08:27 PM

Star Member mtnsnake (19,474 posts)
42. Your cup runneth over with hate

What a crock

Response to mtnsnake (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:24 AM

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,217 posts)
45. Your cup runneth over with spite

what a bullshit contribution

Man,we are going to get slaughtered in 2018 and 2020.

[DumbAss Tanker]

They also don't give a shit about what WE think.

Well, ya nailed that one, at least.

[DUmpstruck]

They also don't give a shit about what WE think...

No truer words have ever passed between the 2 functional brain cells of this primitive which only proves the adage about even stopped clocks... 

[freedumb2003b]

The more of this elitist,snobby, self-aggrandizing, look-down-your-nose crap, the better I feel about at least the next 16+ years.

Nothing gets people to your side like telling them they are ignorant idiots.

I read elsewhere that debbie watsherface shazbot has been running around saying they didn't get their message across clearly.  That is what they AWLAYS say when they lose.  As we know they got their message across perfectly.

Since "hopey-changey" the dims don't have any good message at all for middle America.  Just more misery.

[Mr Mannn]

Leave it to a Liberal to say, the working class wants Masters, not to be reasoned with.

This just reveals the underlying tyranny of the democrat party. Treating people as slaves is what democrats are best at. They are elitists, and cannot conceive that all men are created equal.

I'm predicting bigger losses in 2018

[freedumb2003b]

Some excerpts of their "brilliance:"

Which is why the non-white and female citizens will move past them in social status and they'll remain stuck at the bottom. They value education much much more.

"social security is solvent and beats the stock market at nearly every metric"

I'm not going to stand by while a bunch of morons flush our nation down the crapper.

Never again!!

Star Member wisteria (19,139 posts)
26. Sigh. How do you reason with the unreasonable?

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Star Member LaydeeBug (7,218 posts)
38. ridicule. nt

t the election results aren't kosher. There are too many vulnerabilities in the electronic systems used to record or tally our voting preference. Those vulnerabilities were exploited this election. So when you see a "sea of angry racist know nothing white rust belt dwellers", you see a number that is wildly inflated, out of proportion to reality, a phantom army of white rust belt racists.

I've run into that type of person. When you finally get mad at them, they admire that because you are "tough" and they finally do what you want.

Best to hold a bible and gun while you are telling them to bow

That thread has about 25% more stupidity in it than the average stupid-filled DU thread.

I hope they NEVER change.  We will run things forever!

[landofconfusion80]

Reminds me of that saying:
Beatings will continue until moral improves

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Without built-in protective functions like critical analysis, self-reflection, openness to counter-evidence, willingness to re-evaluate any and all beliefs, etc., bad information in a closed-off system ends up doing massive damage in short period of time. What has happened to too many fundamentalist belief systems is damaging information has been allowed in from people who have been granted “expert status.”

Mind you this is being posted in a forum closed to dissent. Easily a third of its membership was exiled for not supporting the establishment candidate.

That establishment just suffered a massive election loss even after all their experts told them it was a lock and the loss comes on the heels of historic losses in 2010 and 2014 to a party that now has unchallenged control over more than 60% of the state legislatures.

Libs incessantly shout down evidence that contradicts their fragile worldview.

They retreat to safe spaces.

Their every prediction on climate change, ObamaCare, the ability of the welfare state to lift people out of poverty has been proven wrong.


These are arrogant, angry people and they have revealed that they pay only lip service to the "demo" in "democrat." That is merely a façade for the unwary. They are autocrats, through and through.

[FunkyZero]

After that, labor workers with a small number of employees are seeing documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled, and turn around to take undocumented workers and skirt the taxes the white labor worker pays. I *get* that undocumented workers pay tax, but they don't pay INCOME tax, and Saint Reagan taught them that it isn't fair for them not to...but it *is* hunky dorey for someone who is extremely wealthy to do it.

I'll gladly accept 1000 illegal immigrants a day who will avoid paying federal taxes within the limits of the law if they employ as many people as Donald Trump.
We aren't supposed to accept ANYone who want to come here, we are supposed to gladly accept those who will contribute to the great experiment. We can grow our own leeches by the thousand if we want... just look around at the DUmp, proof positive. We surely don't need to import them.
Our incomes aren't for global entitlement services and we're damn tired of it being used that way.

[BlueStateSaint]

Leave it to a Liberal to say, the working class wants Masters, not to be reasoned with.

This just reveals the underlying tyranny of the democrat party. Treating people as slaves is what democrats are best at. They are elitists, and cannot conceive that all men are created equal.

I'm predicting bigger losses in 2018

Considering that only eight Senate seats are up for re-election then, as opposed to 2 independent (Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Angus King of Maine) Senate seats, and twenty-three Senate seats, the Dems stand to have quite the shellacking in 2018.

[SVPete]

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:12 AM

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,217 posts)

You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with

Sweetie, you have no idea how good a job you and similarly minded Libs/Progs are doing at telling "those people" how to vote!

[98ZJUSMC]

"social security is solvent and beats the stock market at nearly every metric"

Reality.  Based.  Community.

 

 

Used to be a great state to live in but I believe it has become the state of the uneducated. The great unwashed public no longer believes in education thanks to Gov, Walker'r vendetta on teachers.

Great State to Uneducated, in three years.

Amazing. 

[landofconfusion80]

Reality.  Based.  Community.

 

 
Great State to Uneducated, in three years.

Amazing.

Wow... then they should have no problem with giving an individual the right to opt out and invest privately in that weaker stock market.

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[Texacon]

LOL!  I've been reading the DUmp for years, and for YEARS they've taught me that racists only live in the south. What is this drivel?!  Have I been lied to??!!  OMG!!!  The SMARTEST people on the planet have been lying to me?!

I'm just a knuckle dragging Neanderthal, who's never been anywhere. Tell me, please, that the enlightened people of the north aren't racist. Please!!

LOL

I love these posts. I wish we had bought some billboards with nothing but breakdowns of these posts with attributions, before the election.

KC


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[98ZJUSMC]

Wow... then they should have no problem with giving an individual the right to opt out and invest privately in that weaker stock market.

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I wish I still had the link to it, but someone actually knowledgeable ran the numbers and determined that; someone making 30-40k per year over a 35 year work span, investing the same amount that the government extorts, would have a fund of approx. $500-600k at 65.  Another thing that escapes these idiots is that that fund keeps building as you draw on it and it could be left to heirs.  A person could draw 3-4k per month for, 15-20 years, on that fund.  Zero government involvement.  Zero taxpayer extortion.

Of course, that's anathema to the hive.

[98ZJUSMC]

LOL!  I've been reading the DUmp for years, and for YEARS they've taught me that racists only live in the south. What is this drivel?!  Have I been lied to??!!  OMG!!!  The SMARTEST people on the planet have been lying to me?!

I'm just a knuckle dragging Neanderthal, who's never been anywhere. Tell me, please, that the enlightened people of the north aren't racist. Please!!

LOL

I love these posts. I wish we had bought some billboards with nothing but breakdowns of these posts with attributions, before the election.

KC


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Dontcha know?  Wisconsin joined the Confederacy!1!11eLeBiNty!!!!1

[Texacon]

I wish I still had the link to it, but someone actually knowledgeable ran the numbers and determined that; someone making 30-40k per year over a 35 year work span, investing the same amount that the government extorts, would have a fund of approx. $500-600k at 65.  Another thing that escapes these idiots is that that fund keeps building as you draw on it and it could be left to heirs.  A person could draw 3-4k per month for, 15-20 years, on that fund.  Zero government involvement.  Zero taxpayer extortion.

Of course, that's anathema to the hive.

Look up Galveston, TX. They opted out of SS in the '80's. their people retire as millionaires. I love to point it out to liberals. You know what most of their responses are (and it's very telling);  "yeah, but what if you get disabled?"

KC


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[SVPete]

Used to be a great state to live in but I believe it has become the state of the uneducated. The great unwashed public no longer believes in education thanks to Gov, Walker'r vendetta on teachers.

Ummmmmm ... many Americans' (not just WI residents!) loss of faith in public schools dates to the mid-late 1960s (if not earlier), some 50 years before Walker became Governor. Doubtless, the loss of faith became greater over those 5 decades, but that was an increase of awareness - plus some unpleasant encounters with PSs and PS results - rather than Gov. Walker.

[CollectivismMustDie]

Well, ya nailed that one, at least.

I'm not so sure.

I have yet to see positions that the (D)Ummies hold, which they have arrived at by thinking.

Most of it is "I feel...", and certainly, critical thinking among them is as rare as a 4 leaf clover.


CMD

[USA4ME]

LaydeeBug

You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with
I have lived here all my life.

Well, that *is* how the Dem party treated the union members for decades and decades, and it did work. So why would one who say "the rust belt working class want to be told" what to do (and, of whom it can be said with 99.99% surety, that she too is still a participate in being told what to do) have any reason to believe otherwise? It's part of her very being.

At least she comes by that POV honestly.

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[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm not so sure.

I have yet to see positions that the (D)Ummies hold, which they have arrived at by thinking.

Most of it is "I feel...", and certainly, critical thinking among them is as rare as a 4 leaf clover.


CMD

I was using the word in the same sense they do (Well, quoting it actually, but it still fits) - random emo ideation ricocheting off the inside of their crania.

[jukin]

Ellison for the chair of the dnc and have the collective intelligence of the DUmp run it.

I delight in the fact the mostest smarterest peoples on the internets think that 2018 will not bring a super majority of republicans in the senate.