The dying big guy gonna get the granite pizza

[I_B_Perky]

The Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512619669

The OP:

Omaha Steve (64,887 posts)

IF Hillary and Gore picked better running mates we would have had a clean sweep!!!

Senator Lieberman’s Remarks at the Republican Convention: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080902_LIEBERMAN_SPEEC.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/08/news/gores-choice-for-his-running-matemoderate-senator-who-scorned-clinton.html

Gore's Choice for His Running Mate:Moderate Senator Who Scorned Clinton : Selecting Lieberman Is Seen as Bold Move; Religion May Be Issue

By BRIAN KNOWLTON and INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE AUG. 8, 2000

WASHINGTON— In a bold if not risk-free political stroke, Vice President Al Gore has selected Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut as his running mate, making him the first Jewish candidate on a major-party presidential ticket.

"Miracles happen," a clearly delighted Mr. Lieberman told reporters Monday outside his home in New Haven, Connecticut. "I consider this a miracle for which I'm grateful." He was to join Mr. Gore in Nashville for a formal announcement Tuesday.

Mr. Lieberman, 58, is a widely respected member of the Senate, a man of strong positions but open to bipartisan solutions. He drew national attention two years ago when he took to the Senate floor to denounce President Bill Clinton's behavior in the Monica Lewinsky matter.

He had been seeking a third senatorial term — he won six years ago with 67 percent of the vote — and his name will remain on the Connecticut ballot for both offices.

This finally got the big dying guy some attention. Got about a dozen and a half replies.

Some replies:

lunamagica (4,980 posts)
3. I think Tim kane is a wonderful man...Having said that, I still believe Xavier Becerra

would have been a better pick.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:47 AM

Star Member libtodeath (2,307 posts)
4. I would have liked to see Sen Warren but Kaine was a good choice.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:58 PM

Star Member MFM008 (6,434 posts)
5. Agree with OP

Kaine almost. Made no difference in Virginia.
Made little difference with latinos.
But not his fault.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 05:28 PM

StevieM (4,776 posts)
24. The exit polls got Latinos wrong.

Hillary won by a much wider margin than they showed her winning by. There was another poll that showed she won 79-18. Also, precinct by precinct data indicates a much better performance.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 01:04 PM

Star Member Nevernose (11,176 posts)
6. Maybe

"They" probably should have picked someone more liberal and more charismatic, someone who both excited the base and could bring out the votes. In retrospect, someone from Michigan or Pennsylvania certainly couldn't have hurt.

We'll never know. I wonder who we could run that has an actual shot at taking back some Senate seats in 2018?

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 03:11 PM

Star Member moonscape (525 posts)
17. We'll be defending so many - 25 vs 8 - that

it's really frightening.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 03:24 PM

Star Member Nevernose (11,176 posts)
18. It is frightening

At least right now we've got the filibuster.

Hopefully, after two years of a Republican government and the Trimp administration ALREADY going back on so many campaign promises, we can be on the offensive, even in the red states.

I tell myself this in hopes of avoiding the crippling fear and depression

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:57 PM

Star Member moonscape (525 posts)
20. Agree. 2018 will be about protecting filibuster at least.

As for Red State offensive, how to penetrate with current media problem? It feels as though we need to fan out and actually sit in living rooms, and then one is still dealing with emotionally closed minds, not facts.

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Tue Nov 22, 2016, 01:35 PM

Star Member msongs (42,186 posts)
7. too bad all those union members voted for trump, who reflects their true values n

Big dying guy chimes back in:

Omaha Steve (64,887 posts)
8. Kaine said Hillary would PASS TTP while Trump said KILL IT! (it is dead now)

Get the point?

Walking mighty close to the line there stevie.

ismnotwasm (29,806 posts)
10. No, we wouldn't

The loss was, as had been noted again and again, was Multifactorial.

Mole?   

ucrdem (10,629 posts)
16. Welp, now it's dead.

Not blaming you Steve, but TPP became a political football in this election and that's a shame.

If GW Bush would have proposed TPP, the dump would be all against it.


The long knives come out:

NCTraveler (20,483 posts)
13. Tim Kaine was an excellent and well thought out choice.

Never has a running mate mattered as little as in this election. Clinton and Trump were the tickets. They are both brands and bigger than life.

This garbage is intellectually dishonest and an attempt to sow discord among democrats. Absolutely nothing more.

AgadorSparticus (5,862 posts)
21. Totally agree!

johnp3907 (1,700 posts)
19. Your 3 exclamation points fail to persuade me.

Try 5 next time.

 

Starry Messenger (31,513 posts)
22. Totally ridiculous.

Equating Joe with Tim Kaine is intellectually bankrupt to boot.

 

[BattleHymn]

Boy, you can just feel the despair.   

[Ralph Wiggum]

Perhaps pick better candidates at the top of the ticket.  Might be a start.

[JakeStyle]

He's an official DU mascot, he's safe.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

At least right now we've got the filibuster.

Wrong. YOUR SIDE, Senator Reid, instituted the "nuclear option" which is still in effect except for Supreme Court Justices. President Trump can use that and only need 51 votes for confirmation. Let's see, how many Senators will Republicans have. GOLLY GEE, 51.

You lose DUmmies.

[FlaGator]

Simple minds seek out simple solutions

[I_B_Perky]

Wrong. YOUR SIDE, Senator Reid, instituted the "nuclear option" which is still in effect except for Supreme Court Justices. President Trump can use that and only need 51 votes for confirmation. Let's see, how many Senators will Republicans have. GOLLY GEE, 51.

You lose DUmmies.

Hate to say it but it was for all judges except the USSC.  Anyway... I believe all that went away when the GOP took over and a new senate was seated.  At least if I understand it correctly.

I'm thinking that the first USSC judge will get approved for the simple fact that he will be replacing Scalia.  No big loss there to the dems.

Now if Ginsburg keels over, all bets are off.  Breyer, same thing. Kennedy? Dunno about that one.  My guess here is Ginsburg will hold off to see if Trump gets reelected.  Even a moderate judge would be an improvement over that old bag.

The best thing that could happen if all three go, Trump gets to nominate all of the replacements, and the GOP senate leader nukes the dems.  We would see the dump commit collective suicide.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Hate to say it but it was for all judges except the USSC.  Anyway... I believe all that went away when the GOP took over and a new senate was seated.  At least if I understand it correctly.

I'm thinking that the first USSC judge will get approved for the simple fact that he will be replacing Scalia.  No big loss there to the dems.

Now if Ginsburg keels over, all bets are off.  Breyer, same thing. Kennedy? Dunno about that one.  My guess here is Ginsburg will hold off to see if Trump gets reelected.  Even a moderate judge would be an improvement over that old bag.

The best thing that could happen if all three go, Trump gets to nominate all of the replacements, and the GOP senate leader nukes the dems.  We would see the dump commit collective suicide.

The DUmmies are already close to a mass suicide.

[DUmpsterDiver]

I had a dream the Big Guy was a mole and then woke up in a sanitarium.

[franksolich]

He's an official DU mascot, he's safe.

Yeah, I think so too.  But for a mascot, he's certainly a big and odoriferous one.

[I_B_Perky]

Yeah, I think so too.  But for a mascot, he's certainly a big and odoriferous one.

Not to mention dying.   

[freedumb2003b]

Not to mention dying.   :lmao:

He has the limited lifespan of a prisoner on California's Death Row.

[SVPete]

Perhaps pick better candidates at the top of the ticket.  Might be a start.

In principle that's entirely true. The Involuntarily Retired SHREW was horrible in every possible way. But what D leader might have been significantly better? Bernie? Trump would have mopped up the floor with him and his jobs-killing socialist ideas. Miss Nancy? Dingy Harry? Babs Bouncer or Di-Fei? Crazy Sheila or Mad Maxine? The Ds' leadership stable is filled with crazed swaybacked nags. And if they went with some non-crazy governor (= NOT Jerry Brown) they would have been hurt by the name recognition problem.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Hate to say it but it was for all judges except the USSC.  Anyway... I believe all that went away when the GOP took over and a new senate was seated.  At least if I understand it correctly.

Senate and House each vote on new rules in each Congress (Though it's really mostly a vote on changes to the previous rules), which is of course controlled by the majority party in each house.  I don't know if Reid's rule went out when the GOP took over the Senate or not, since there has not been a Democrat President AND a Democrat Senate sitting together since the Dems lost the Senate, so it hasn't been an actual issue until now.  However I suspect that several RINOs like McCain would refuse to 'Return the serve' and take full advantage of their majority to pay back the Dems for Reid's BS.

[Ralph Wiggum]

In principle that's entirely true. The Involuntarily Retired SHREW was horrible in every possible way. But what D leader might have been significantly better? Bernie? Trump would have mopped up the floor with him and his jobs-killing socialist ideas. Miss Nancy? Dingy Harry? Babs Bouncer or Di-Fei? Crazy Sheila or Mad Maxine? The Ds' leadership stable is filled with crazed swaybacked nags. And if they went with some non-crazy governor (= NOT Jerry Brown) they would have been hurt by the name recognition problem.

Strangely, the Democrat party evolved as the Republicans often did.  Nominated a candidate whose "turn" it was.  Algore, Hillary & Kerry were similar to Dole & McCain in that regard.

[Ptarmigan]

Omaha Steve (64,887 posts)

IF Hillary and Gore picked better running mates we would have had a clean sweep!!!

Senator Lieberman’s Remarks at the Republican Convention: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080902_LIEBERMAN_SPEEC.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/08/news/gores-choice-for-his-running-matemoderate-senator-who-scorned-clinton.html

Gore's Choice for His Running Mate:Moderate Senator Who Scorned Clinton : Selecting Lieberman Is Seen as Bold Move; Religion May Be Issue

By BRIAN KNOWLTON and INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE AUG. 8, 2000

WASHINGTON— In a bold if not risk-free political stroke, Vice President Al Gore has selected Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut as his running mate, making him the first Jewish candidate on a major-party presidential ticket.

"Miracles happen," a clearly delighted Mr. Lieberman told reporters Monday outside his home in New Haven, Connecticut. "I consider this a miracle for which I'm grateful." He was to join Mr. Gore in Nashville for a formal announcement Tuesday.

Mr. Lieberman, 58, is a widely respected member of the Senate, a man of strong positions but open to bipartisan solutions. He drew national attention two years ago when he took to the Senate floor to denounce President Bill Clinton's behavior in the Monica Lewinsky matter.

He had been seeking a third senatorial term — he won six years ago with 67 percent of the vote — and his name will remain on the Connecticut ballot for both offices.

I don't think so.

[Big Dog]

In principle that's entirely true. The Involuntarily Retired SHREW was horrible in every possible way. But what D leader might have been significantly better? Bernie? Trump would have mopped up the floor with him and his jobs-killing socialist ideas. Miss Nancy? Dingy Harry? Babs Bouncer or Di-Fei? Crazy Sheila or Mad Maxine? The Ds' leadership stable is filled with crazed swaybacked nags. And if they went with some non-crazy governor (= NOT Jerry Brown) they would have been hurt by the name recognition problem.

James Webb, but he was not acceptable to the Moonbat Majority.

[67 Rover]

Hate to say it but it was for all judges except the USSC.  Anyway... I believe all that went away when the GOP took over and a new senate was seated.  At least if I understand it correctly.

I'm thinking that the first USSC judge will get approved for the simple fact that he will be replacing Scalia.  No big loss there to the dems.

Now if Ginsburg keels over, all bets are off.  Breyer, same thing. Kennedy? Dunno about that one.  My guess here is Ginsburg will hold off to see if Trump gets reelected.  Even a moderate judge would be an improvement over that old bag.

The best thing that could happen if all three go, Trump gets to nominate all of the replacements, and the GOP senate leader nukes the dems.  We would see the dump commit collective suicide.

She is not likely to have much say in this matter.