The perfect crime.. Shock Doctrine USA! We've been had. It's over folks.

[USA4ME]

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Joanne98

The perfect crime.. Shock Doctrine USA! We've been had. It's over folks.

Bush is looting the entire country. He created this crisis on purpose. The private equity firms are eating things up right now. Banks, mortgages, pension funds, public property.. EVERYTHING!

Governors are going to have to put everything up for sale. Roads, bridges, airports, schools, libraries, everything.

Even the police and fire will be privatized.

Grover Norquist has won.

The beauty of the mortgage crisis, is that it depletes the property tax revenue. That's why they will get everything. Not enough taxes to save them.

Carlyle, and the groups will steal the country for pennies on the dollar.

Even if we win the WH, it will be too late. Everything will be up for sale.

The antrax story is a message. "Say one word about what we are doing and we will kill you".. And it's working..

Will NOBODY stand up and tell the American people what's happening?

Silence.

I'm not focusing on anything else but this from now on.

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This is to depressing. I'm going to bed.

I though most of them got their meds refilled at the beginning of the month.  It's only the 5th!!

Yeah, I know, they're always odd and out of touch on so many levels, but some of these threads and posts are on overload.  Is the moon in the seventh house this month or something I haven't heard about?

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[bijou]

 

Seriously, the past few days it has been madness over there.  They are reaching a pitch of hysteria the like of which I haven't seen in a long time.

[djones520]

Rats on a sinking ship Bijou.  They scream and deny it all they want, but they know that Obama is just going to lose this election.  All the nuts and bolts are coming loose over there and the crazy is in overdrive.

[Airwolf]

But but the Bank told me it was my fault for being overdrawn again? it must be those evil Conservative bankers there lying to me again. (DUmmie mode off)

[Lord Undies]

That's right, DUmmies.  You are living inside the script of "Rosemary's Baby".  All you have to do now is go through the door in the back of the closet and join us.  Rove is your satan and Cheney is your Dr. Saperstein.

[Carl]

The beauty of the mortgage crisis, is that it depletes the property tax revenue. That's why they will get everything. Not enough taxes to save them.

Would someone try to explain just what the eff she is talking about here?

I would think in most places it works like this...

A person defaults on a mortgage and their taxes.
Both the taxing government and the lender will claim the property and my guess is the government comes first.
The lender will pay the back taxes and assume full posession of the property which they will then attempt to sell to someone to recover their investment.
The tax burden will not go away nor will it lessen by reassesemnt if the property value drops.....it just doesn`t work that way on property taxes.

Tell me where I am wrong.

[bijou]

Rats on a sinking ship Bijou.  They scream and deny it all they want, but they know that Obama is just going to lose this election.  All the nuts and bolts are coming loose over there and the crazy is in overdrive.

Amazing, I presumed that the MSM was in the bag for Obama and that's usuall enough to keep their self delusion going.  If they are losing it this badly while the polls are more or less level they must be more connected to reality than I gave them credit for.

[djones520]

Rats on a sinking ship Bijou.  They scream and deny it all they want, but they know that Obama is just going to lose this election.  All the nuts and bolts are coming loose over there and the crazy is in overdrive.

Amazing, I presumed that the MSM was in the bag for Obama and that's usuall enough to keep their self delusion going.  If they are losing it this badly while the polls are more or less level they must be more connected to reality than I gave them credit for.

I think it's more a subconcious thing.  They conciously believe that Obama is going to win this thing in a landslide, because it's been ordained.  But deep in their brains, there is still a semblance of sanity, and it haunts them in their dreams.

[jukin]

It is truly amazing how the record property tax revenues were spent at an even greater rate by all the politicians, government unions, and bureaucrats.  How did Bush do it?

[Carl]

It is truly amazing how the record property tax revenues were spent at an even greater rate by all the politicians, government unions, and bureaucrats.  How did Bush do it?

Or the windfall of revenue that has been generated from sales taxes with the price of gas rising.

[PatriotGame]

Joanne98

The perfect crime.. Shock Doctrine USA! We've been had. It's over folks.

Bush is looting the entire country. He created this crisis on purpose. The private equity firms are eating things up right now. Banks, mortgages, pension funds, public property.. EVERYTHING!

By the way, doesn't this bitch live in Canukistan?

[Chris_]

That's right, DUmmies.  You are living inside the script of "Rosemary's Baby".  All you have to do now is go through the door in the back of the closet and join us.  Rove is your satan and Cheney is your Dr. Saperstein.

I sort of wish they would all reenact the "Damien I love you!" scene.

God knows, many are 1/4" from it...

[Chris_]

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[BlueStateSaint]

wat iss realllyy pathetttick iz thatt thay kant evin spel teh namez o teh ewil companys

LOL!  H5!

[MrsSmith]

It is truly amazing how the record property tax revenues were spent at an even greater rate by all the politicians, government unions, and bureaucrats.  How did Bush do it?

Or the windfall of revenue that has been generated from sales taxes with the price of gas rising.

Isn't it funny how little has been said of this?  Of course, it's the "evil BFEE" sucking down the tax money, but seriously, the government makes, what, 3 or 3.5 times as much on gas as the "evil oil companies."   

[Carl]

It is truly amazing how the record property tax revenues were spent at an even greater rate by all the politicians, government unions, and bureaucrats.  How did Bush do it?

Or the windfall of revenue that has been generated from sales taxes with the price of gas rising.

Isn't it funny how little has been said of this?  Of course, it's the "evil BFEE" sucking down the tax money, but seriously, the government makes, what, 3 or 3.5 times as much on gas as the "evil oil companies."   

In NY the state sales tax is 7% with some counties adding another percent.
I don`t know it to be the case but assume that the sales tax is the last tax assesed so it actually is taxing a base price that includes excise taxes.

Since 2006 if consumption has stayed the same the local and state governments here have taken in almost twice as much revenue from the sale of gasoline...2.00/gallon base=.14/gal....4.00/gallon base=.28/gallon.

Of course NY being a good liberal state is still desperatly broke at the moment.

Very few state governments have much interest in reducing the price of gas right now.

[USA4ME]

The tax burden will not go away nor will it lessen by reassesemnt if the property value drops.....it just doesn`t work that way on property taxes.

Tell me where I am wrong.

Technically if the value of the reassessed property is lessened, and the tax is based on $X per $1000 of value, then the taxes on that property would be less.  In reality what happens is the city and/or county commission, upon recognizing that property values have dropped, will raise the $X per $1000 rate to make up the difference.

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[BlueStateSaint]

The tax burden will not go away nor will it lessen by reassesemnt if the property value drops.....it just doesn`t work that way on property taxes.

Tell me where I am wrong.

Technically if the value of the reassessed property is lessened, and the tax is based on $X per $1000 of value, then the taxes on that property would be less.  In reality what happens is the city and/or county commission, upon recognizing that property values have dropped, will raise the $X per $1000 rate to make up the difference.

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Exactly.  The equalization rate.  I've been working on eq rate "studies" for some time now, in addition to my other work here.

[Lauri]

The beauty of the mortgage crisis, is that it depletes the property tax revenue. That's why they will get everything. Not enough taxes to save them.

Would someone try to explain just what the eff she is talking about here?

I would think in most places it works like this...

A person defaults on a mortgage and their taxes.
Both the taxing government and the lender will claim the property and my guess is the government comes first.
The lender will pay the back taxes and assume full posession of the property which they will then attempt to sell to someone to recover their investment.
The tax burden will not go away nor will it lessen by reassesemnt if the property value drops.....it just doesn`t work that way on property taxes.

Tell me where I am wrong.

well, just look at her 'logic' here

crazy woman said:

"That's why they will get everything. Not enough taxes to save them."

 how exactly do they 'get everything' if there 'arent enough taxes to save them'...?

President Bush had an energy plan when he started in office in 2000 to get us independant, the Dems blocked it at every turn. They dont want drilling, they dont want coal or nuclear which we have in abundance and can do right now. They dont want domestic oil - they want wind and solar, which doesnt seem to be working or no company is really exploring it effectively. For now, our country and economy runs on gas - unless Pelosi and Reid are flying in hybrid planes and they just arent telling us. 

[Carl]

The tax burden will not go away nor will it lessen by reassesemnt if the property value drops.....it just doesn`t work that way on property taxes.

Tell me where I am wrong.

Technically if the value of the reassessed property is lessened, and the tax is based on $X per $1000 of value, then the taxes on that property would be less.  In reality what happens is the city and/or county commission, upon recognizing that property values have dropped, will raise the $X per $1000 rate to make up the difference.

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Exactly.  The equalization rate.  I've been working on eq rate "studies" for some time now, in addition to my other work here.

I won`t say never,but even up here I have yet to hear of a property being reassesed down unless it is because a house was burned or removed.

If the market values increase above the assesed value they will be quick to match that but not the other way.