Manny's jackass primitives discuss drought in Maine

[franksolich]

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/so-there-was-a-huge-ruckus-coming-from-nextdoor-neighbor-this-afternoon/

Oh my.

One wonders why primitives never seem to get along with their neighbors.

Magical Thyme    (1743 posts)    October 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm
 
so there was a huge ruckus coming from nextdoor neighbor this afternoon

From the direction of their new garage, which they built over the last couple years. They work in construction, so have huge trucks and with the garage building, I’m used to noise from there.

But they finished the garage months ago and this was a noise I haven’t heard before. So I walked up the road a bit to check it out. This is what I saw:

after which a photograph

I know nothing about construction, but sure looks to me like they’re digging a new well. I don’t know if this was planned all along or not…they aren’t people I can ask either, seeing as they’ve been rude as hell since I moved in and tried to run my dogs over in my own driveway twice.

In the meantime, after my water ran clear for 3 days in a row, I started gingerly using a little more. The horse’s rainwater was running out so I poured them 1 bucket (really 1 1/2, since sand cleared out with the first 1/2 bucket) and I took 1 quick shower. The next morning I poured them 2 more buckets and I did some cooking so had more dishes than usual to wash. By that evening, sand was appearing again.

So I’ve doubled down on my conservation efforts. I am now officially watering the horses by bringing in buckets filled at the lake up the road. The 1st day was windy, so the water a bit murky but it settled during the day and was fine. This morning was much better and I brought in enough to get me into tomorrow. I picked up some new large plastic containers to start catching even more water off the metal barn roof. I also restocked my kitchen with bottled water. And I’m no longer using the toilet at all…there is plenty of woods out back. I’m trying to find a place where I can shower free or cheap…vague memory of a YMCA in town…maybe there’s a YWCA too that I could join for “swimming.”

In the meantime, we’re supposed to start getting some rain this week. Not as much as our usual October rains, and not enough by far to raise the water tables by much, but it’s a start.

2bAnon     (1996 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 2:52 pm
 
1. Could have sworn you live in the northwest..

For the first time in recent memory the once normal rain season began in earnest a few days ago , Santa Cruz reports say they received 10 inches in a 2-3 day period. Did the system miss your region? Or am i misremembering where your neck of the woods are locate.

The drought has been brutal. I hope the weather systems turn in your favor this season. You probably know all about dyi portable compost toilets, right? Easy, peazy, with a five gallon bucket and sawdust. Fancier and more comfortable compost toilets can be had relatively inexpensive. Good ole Whole Earth catalogs and Mother Earth News for quick reference and how to’s.

In the meantime, more rubber containers/barrows to collect rain. Good idea on collecting run off from the roof.

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to 2bAnon - post #1)    October 17, 2016 at 3:50 pm
 
4. northeast, coast of Maine

The New England coast, from the South Shore of Massachusetts to midcoast Maine, up to just south of Bar Harbor, is in EXTREME-EXCEPTIONAL drought. 2nd year in a row of very, very little rain, with very little snow pack last spring.

I’ve watered the horses off the roof for years whenever possible. I’ve gone through many springs and falls never having to water them — just scrub down the buckets and trough ahead of rains for fresh supply. I picked up several more tubs on sale at Walmart today. I now have 7 of them, along with every bucket except 3 that are filled from the lake this morning, and the trough lined up in the roof. We may get 0.15″ of rain overnight and tomorrow morning.

For now with this weather, the woods are fine. But I’ll look into the self-composting buckets for the winter. Probably the same thing as the composting toilets at Common Ground Fair — base of sawdust and then you sprinkle a layer on top after you poop…

Cleita     (838 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 3:24 pm
 
2. Isn't Maine a libertarian paradise?

That means people can pretty much do what they want on their property without much regard to their neighbors, community or planet. At least in my community, another one that allows too much freedom of action, property owners have to at least get a permit to dig a well. If you find they haven’t or object to it, at least it can be appealed to the planning commission, not that the are a big help most of the time.

^^^one of the oldest primitives alive; makes California Peggy look young.

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Cleita - post #2)    October 17, 2016 at 3:44 pm
 
3. no it is not and no they can't. OF COURSE they have a permit for a well.

the point is that here on the coast of Maine we are in an EXTREME and on the brink of EXCEPTIONAL  California-level drought.

the point is, if you read this post, never mind my prior posts, MY ****ING WELL IS RUNNING DRY and I’m now driving 5 miles up the road to lug water back from a nearby lake to water my animals.

The local well driller has a waiting list of 45 wells, some new construction but our wells are running ****ing dry. In a place where the road used to flood annually just a mile down the hill from me.

In a place where, at least since I moved here 13 years ago, starting in October we’d get 3″ deluges once or twice/week. Now they are 1/4″ if we are lucky, and we’ve gone weeks with nothing. For the 2nd year in a row.

2 winters ago was our winter of blizzards, with probably 10 feet of snow piled up by spring. Last year was probably 10″. No idea what we’ll get for snowpack, if any, this year.

Cleita     (838 posts)  (Reply to Magical Thyme - post #3)    October 17, 2016 at 4:16 pm
 
5. I get what you are saying and if your water table is so low, there

shouldn’t be additional wells being dug. Your permit issuers are out of line. We are fighting a water use problem in my community as well.  We are also having a drought and we have an oil company who wants to frack using the water in our aquifer and fracking requires a lot of water that then has to be disposed of because what’s left from the results is unusable. We fought them by going in front of our planning commission to object. Obviously there was payola involved because the the permit was issued. So we are suing them in court with the aid of lawyers from an environmental group. We had our first hearing last week. We a managed to fill the court room with residents and the judge balked postponing a decision and maybe a new court date. It’s not easy fighting City Hall but sometimes you have to do it. Get your neighbors together because I’m sure you all share the same water source and see what they think of this. Then you appeal to City Hall or whatever agency is in charge to do something. Your nasty neighbor needs to understand he doesn’t own everything and frankly I would have a chat with any animal rights groups about him trying to run your dog over.

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Cleita - post #5)    October 17, 2016 at 4:56 pm
 
8. I dealt with his wife's attack on my dogs when it happened.

And while I don’t forget, I’m certainly not using that as a reason to pick a fight with him.

We are all on wells here.  Why the hell would I try to fight with  him about his new well when I may well have to either deepen mine or dig a new one?

They are most likely on a different water source. If not, their new well probably is and may well take pressure off my source, in which case they are doing me a favor.

My neighbor the same distance in the opposite direction is on a different water source and ended up with arsenic in her water, so now gets her drinking water  from a friend a little further down the street.

We don’t have fracking here in this “libertarian paradise.” Iirc, we’ve banned it.

Cleita     (838 posts)  (Reply to Magical Thyme - post #8)    October 17, 2016 at 5:02 pm
 
11. Suit yourself but

he might drain the aquifer with his deeper well, which might be why you are at the bottom of your well.

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Cleita - post #11)    October 17, 2016 at 5:04 pm
 
12. they just started digging today.

I hit bottom last week. So I somehow doubt it’s his fault.

2bAnon     (1996 posts)  (Reply to Cleita - post #2)    October 17, 2016 at 6:07 pm
 
14. Oh yeah, that's right i remember now.

Its almost unimaginable for Maine to be experiencing a drought.

Im sure you’ve heard all about ours in California for the past 4 or 5 though last year we were blessed with much more rain than previos 3 years, still not quite enough to replenish the drought stricken and repleate watersheds. As in your area its the snow pack which sustains us all from year to year.  We just had a lovely soaking, i hope the currents carry this system your way and with much more to come!!

Get ready for some Rain Dancing!!   

Gryneos     (614 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 4:24 pm
 
6. Yep, that's a water well drilling rig.

Pretty big one by the size of it. I’d expect that from the description of their assholish behavior.

I know you’re catching rain from your barn roof, though I don’t know your system (gutters or just straight runoff.) Lots of info online how to capture and store it, and was just thinking that you might find more buckets or containers through Freecycle. I hope you get more than enough rain soon.

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Gryneos - post #6)    October 17, 2016 at 5:01 pm
 
9. straight runoff.

When we got about 0.13″ last week, it filled the buckets about halfway and gave me a day+ of water for them. I now have double the buckets collecting. And the lake water is working out ok. Filling the buckets is easy & quick. The bottles take a lot longer, but I can fit more in my car.

They’re predicting close to an inch spread from Wednesday into Saturday. Hopefully it’ll turn into a 2-3″+ deluge. We haven’t had one of those in ages…

Gryneos     (614 posts)  (Reply to Magical Thyme - post #9)    October 17, 2016 at 10:11 pm
 
16. I like to look at the water vapor satellite maps

as it gives me a better idea overall of coming precipitation. By the looks of it for you, the moisture of the atmosphere is already increasing, with a storm north of the bigger great lakes building. Maybe that’s the storm y’all are expecting? Here’s an animated gif of the water vapor satellite images for the NE. Orange is the driest, or what’s covering most of Texas and the southern states at the moment:

after which a weather map

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Gryneos - post #16)    October 17, 2016 at 10:51 pm
 
17. from that it looks like the one off the great lakes will be to our north

it’s that dry area coming off of Texas that keeps pushing our normal nor’easters out to see. So stop it down there! Just stop it!

The Crone     (1050 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 5:31 pm
 
13. THERE are so many paralleles between yr life right now

And mine. Right now, I too have the neighbors from hell. They haven’t spoken to me in four years, after I reported a friend of theirs to Animal Control for badly abusing a dog.

Matter was made worse last May,(2015) when I went outdoors to view the constellations around 2Am. I saw there was a huge metal container on fire in their front yard. Not too far from overhanging utility wires. I didn’t dare go up and ring their doorbell – if they saw it was me, I don’t know what they would do.

I did what I thought any decent person would do and I called the fire department. The FD came quietly – no sirens, or flashing lights. They quickly put out the fire, before the wind had a chance to  come up. (Sometime s it can get windy here around  3 Am.)

So then the neighbors  started double shunning me. They would almost drive their cars off the road rather than look at me while I as out walking the dog.

I should mention he was an oil rig operator on a fracking site, commuting way down south, near the border of Calif and Mexico. That job lasted until  the oil economy tanked. And now he is a water well driller!

You know, for their own good and for hers too, maybe the idiot girl primitive needs to sell her horses to someone living in a more watered area.  They're a tremendous financial burden to her--she lives on early retirement social security; I dunno why she thinks she (and her immediate ecology) can afford anything she wishes to have.

[Carl]

What a miserable and disgusting pig.

[franksolich]

What a miserable and disgusting pig.

Seriously, if she really cares about the horses, the environment, and her financial well-being, she'd sell the horses to someone who lives where there's a lot of rain, and use the proceeds to buy herself out of the hole she's dug herself into.

[Carl]

Seriously, if she really cares about the horses, the environment, and her financial well-being, she'd sell the horses to someone who lives where there's a lot of rain, and use the proceeds to buy herself out of the hole she's dug herself into.

By the sounds the nags are likely dehydrated and half starved.
I hope the hard working neighbors notify the authorities if so.

[Carl]

Cleita     (838 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 3:24 pm
 
2. Isn't Maine a libertarian paradise?

That means people can pretty much do what they want on their property without much regard to their neighbors, community or planet. At least in my community, another one that allows too much freedom of action, property owners have to at least get a permit to dig a well. If you find they haven’t or object to it, at least it can be appealed to the planning commission, not that the are a big help most of the time.

Eat shit and die scrunt.

[franksolich]

By the sounds the nags are likely dehydrated and half starved.
I hope the hard working neighbors notify the authorities if so.

You know, the idiot girl, like most of Manny's jackass primitives, tries to imagine herself as Peter Pan, who never had to grow up.

The blunt fact is, she's 63 years old, and fast becoming an old woman; she really needs to start acting her age.

One of the lesser things about her that grates my nerves is her constant reference to rabbits as "bunnies."  Why the **** is an old lady using baby-talk to describe rabbits?

[franksolich]

Eat shit and die scrunt.

Yeah, that's Old Cleita, as old as the hills.

She actually remembers what growing up in Los Angeles was like.....before the second world war, like during the '30s and all that.

[Carl]

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.msg1344134#msg1344134

Imagine this thing shitting in the woods and taking virtually no showers.

[SVPete]

I know nothing about construction, but sure looks to me like they’re digging a new well. I don’t know if this was planned all along or not…

My neighbors can afford to dig a deeper well! NO FAIR!!!!

Cleita     (838 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 3:24 pm
 
2. Isn't Maine a libertarian paradise?

That means people can pretty much do what they want on their property without much regard to their neighbors, community or planet. At least in my community, another one that allows too much freedom of action, property owners have to at least get a permit to dig a well. If you find they haven’t or object to it, at least it can be appealed to the planning commission, not that the are a big help most of the time.

And the reason this female assume Maine doesn't require permits is ...? It took me less than 10 seconds to discover that Maine licenses well drillers In the same search results, this well driller's FAQ page references, if not a formal permit process, regulations that must be complied with, as well as standards a licensed well driller must follow. And from this webpage it can be seen that the State of Maine oversees the digging of wells, from licensing diggers to verifying compliance with state and local regulations. Those were in the top four results of my Google search of "maine permit to dig a well". "Cleita" could have learned this as easily as I did, but chose to assume a "libertarian paradise" where any sort of abuse and stupidity reigns.

I will give "Cleita" this much. It does look like nasty NIMBYs have little ability to obstruct their neighbors' ability to drill a well to supply water to their home.

BTW, maybe it doesn't need explaining, but the sand in MT's water is from her well being nearly "dry" (pumping from the top of the water table), not from her neighbor's drilling (which is probably hundreds of yards away). Nothing she couldn't get fixed with $5000-$10000 and a week or so of drilling and pump installation (also licensed by the State of Maine). I'm not saying $5000-$10000 is chump change, just pointing out that the energy she's expending in whining would be better spent solving a problem that might make her property much less salable (IIRC, she's planning on selling and moving elsewhere).

(Corrected typos)

[jukin]

Cleita     (838 posts)  (Reply to original post)    October 17, 2016 at 3:24 pm
 
2. Isn't Maine a libertarian paradise?

That means people can pretty much do what they want on their property without much regard to their neighbors, community or planet. At least in my community, another one that allows too much freedom of action, property owners have to at least get a permit to dig a well. If you find they haven’t or object to it, at least it can be appealed to the planning commission, not that the are a big help most of the time.

Let me guess like speech, one can have as much freedom of action as a leftist DUchebag agrees you can have. It is amazing that they call others fascists. Well the old accuse others of what you are doing.

[Carl]

Let me guess like speech, one can have as much freedom of action as a leftist DUchebag agrees you can have. It is amazing that they call others fascists. Well the old accuse others of what you are doing.

BINGO

[DumbAss Tanker]

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Cleita - post #5)    October 17, 2016 at 4:56 pm
 

8. I dealt with his wife's attack on my dogs when it happened.

And while I don’t forget, I’m certainly not using that as a reason to pick a fight with him.

We are all on wells here.  Why the hell would I try to fight with  him about his new well when I may well have to either deepen mine or dig a new one?

They are most likely on a different water source. If not, their new well probably is and may well take pressure off my source, in which case they are doing me a favor.

My neighbor the same distance in the opposite direction is on a different water source and ended up with arsenic in her water, so now gets her drinking water  from a friend a little further down the street...

I don't think MT understands the whole 'Water table' thingie.

[SVPete]

Magical Thyme     (1743 posts)  (Reply to Cleita - post #5)    October 17, 2016 at 4:56 pm
 
I don't think MT understands the whole 'Water table' thingie.

Maybe she should take some of those "healing herbs" she was going to grow and sell and toss them into that one neighbor's well. Arsenic ... arsenic ... why is the UN popping into my mind ... ?

[Ptarmigan]

You know, the idiot girl, like most of Manny's jackass primitives, tries to imagine herself as Peter Pan, who never had to grow up.

The blunt fact is, she's 63 years old, and fast becoming an old woman; she really needs to start acting her age.

One of the lesser things about her that grates my nerves is her constant reference to rabbits as "bunnies."  Why the **** is an old lady using baby-talk to describe rabbits?

Rabbits are still terrorists.