hypertensive Bob's got no place to land

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028236333

Oh dear.

TheMastersNemesis (5,931 posts)     Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:30 PM

New "Uber" Employment Models Make Workers Job Nomads W/No Place To Land.
 
The new "sharing" economy is such a fraud. Renting out your personal stuff like your tools, your home, your car, etc etc is a dead end. It makes the reality that the new business model for work is the itinerant worker, contract worker, temporary worker et al is going to be the new norm. Each day business, corporations and industry find new ways to cut permanent full time employment and make it part of the "contract" economy. Already large numbers of jobs are already in the "itinerant" category. The time is coming when very few jobs that will have the old "social contract" that existed for decades in the US.

Even though the economy is doing much better than 2007 the new employment model that employers have embraced does not bode well for long term stable employment. The new model retires older workers long before their time. It cuts benefits and "job equity". Long term employees are considered a drag on the company and are sent packing in their 40's or 50's when they have the most need for a steady and increasing income.

Reagan and his cronies over time destroyed "the social contract", long term employment, careers with 1 company, pension systems, unions, employee rights, et al. Our society will not work well when most of the work force is ALWAYS on the move from job to job to job. 

Mika (17,521 posts)     Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:36 PM

1. Love the NLP "sharing economy".
 
Capitalism won't, can't, last forever. Probably huge disruptions and agony will be needed to wake us up... and maybe it won't be enough. 

TheMastersNemesis (5,931 posts)      Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:07 PM

3. Most Workers Do Not Understand They Are Being Moved To A Contracted Work Force.
 
The idea of a "contracted"work force really started in earnest under Reagan. His "service economy" speech was about changing the employment model to a "contract model". Reagan was consummately evil in that his mission was to put and end to the "social contract" when it came to workers. It was to eliminated the New Deal and government as an equalizer.

He was a spokes person for an agenda that would take the work force back to 1900. Anyone who knows about that part of history knows that work was very dicey. THERE WERE NO LABOR LAWS as we have known them in recent history. There were no child labor laws, no minimum wage, no health care benefits, no work site protections, no rights, NO 40 hour work week, no sick days, et al. EVERYONE worked at the disgression of the employer.

There we really no regulations controlling business at the federal level. And the police force public and private were present to keep order in protection of the richest of society.

Today's plan is to quietly move workers into a work environment they would not accept if they knew the real agenda. 

LisaM (17,814 posts)    Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:35 PM 

8. You can scream this from the hilltops and it won't change people who want to use Uber.
 
Look, I get that it's easy and cheap. TOO cheap, in my opinion (except for the surge pricing, which is really despicable). I think that the current taxi system is partially to blame - in Seattle, for example, they unnecessarily limited the number of available licenses - but I still won't use Uber It's like Postmates. Who can really enjoy something knowing that the person who delivered it to you might only have made $1 doing it?

But yeah, it's really a sharecropping economy.

kestrel91316 (51,645 posts)      Mon Oct 17, 2016, 02:15 PM

9. However...........here in LA where we have so many struggling actors and such,
 
it's hard for them to find reliable work when they have to be available an short notice to go to auditions. Uber is a way for them to make money and yet be available. So I can see it being a way to make money in addition to the restaurant wait staff gigs they traditionally rely on (where they have to get somebody to cover them on short notice which as you can imagine can get dicey.

^^^the veterinary primitive.

TheMastersNemesis (5,931 posts)      Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:50 PM

10. You Miss The Point. Business Model Is About Turning ALL Workers Into Into Actors.
 
Too bad most workers do not get the mega trend with work. Businesses want ALL workers to have to look for work like actors. It is all about having employee free businesses and corporations. You will not be an empllyee in the old sense. This idea was spawned in the early 1980's. The Uber model is just plain bullshit. 

kestrel91316 (51,645 posts)      Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:21 PM

11. Well, you missed my point, which is that there some people for whom that specific business
 
works better than what they've had until it came about.

Initech (54,192 posts)      Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:33 PM

13. Meet the next evolution of American capitalism.
 
No ownership of anything. No long term employment. No retirement. Health insurance costs raised 5,000%. No overtime, no paid vacation. Employers can tell you to **** off at any time. All your money is belong to us. 

TheMastersNemesis (5,931 posts)      Mon Oct 17, 2016, 11:39 PM

14. That Is About The Size Of It.
 
Employers want "work at will" for all jobs as long as they have ALL the say. Work at will is pointless because employees have right to leave if they can get a better job. More often than not over time they won't be able to find a better job as they get older and the employer believes that have too much baggage. That is they were making too much money and had too many benefits. 

[Carl]

Did someone piss on Bobs shoe yesterday?

[franksolich]

Did someone piss on Bobs shoe yesterday?

I dunno, but if I were his wife, I'd be concerned about ol' Bob staying up so late at night.

He's pretty old and he's not in the best of health; he needs plenty of shut-eye time.

[Carl]

I dunno, but if I were his wife, I'd be concerned about ol' Bob staying up so late at night.

He's pretty old and he's not in the best of health; he needs plenty of shut-eye time.

I will smile when he has an eternity of it.

[franksolich]

I will smile when he has an eternity of it.

I could never figure it out.

People so full of hate and anger and bitterness surely must come to a combustible point.....but how come they never spontaneously combust?  They used to, if any of those old stories have any credence. 

[SVPete]

WTH is he fantasizing about?

True time ...

This past spring my employer announced that over the next year and a half it was going to gradually close our facility and move its product to one of two other locations, one in SoCal, and the other in an East Coast state. For me it meant I had a choice between shutting down 4 decades of life in Silicon Valley - family, wife's job (full-time permanent, not contract), friends, the house we've owned for over two decades, church, doctors - or finding a new job. I chose the latter. After a previously planned vacation, updating my resume', and such, it took me a little less than 3 months between sending out my first resume' and starting at my new job. And during that time I was one of the main - if not the main - prospects for another company looking to fill an opening, but which put it on hold because of so many relevant employees going on vacation. My new job is full-time permanent, and probably the best I've had in at least 15 years.

Because I used several job boards as part of my search - e.g. Monster, Glassdoor, ZipRecruiter - I get daily emails about opening in my field. There's a lot of tech companies hiring. A few are 6 month or 12 month contracts, but most (by far) are full-time permanent. The closest I've seen to TMN's fantasy Uber Model contract-worker economy is companies who hire new people on contract for 1-3 months and hire them as permanent when they know the person is suitable. That's been a common practice, that I know of personally, since William the Indolent's MALAdministration, and probably much longer. As for temporary and contract employment, that's been "out there" and common for about as long as I've been in tech (i.e. since at least the Carter Administration). When was the last time TMN had a non-government job?

What's really happened in TMN's hate-filled, bitter, paranoid mind is that it's latched onto Uber's part-time, non-union, drive-your-own-car business model (kind of like the pizza delivery business model Domino's started doing in the Kennedy or Johnson administration) and fantasized it as the way all employers are going. It doesn't take 30 seconds of thought to see how utterly ridiculous this is. Whether it's a computer, a farm tractor, a car ..., you have to have substantial full-time staff doing the designing, manufacturing, and administering.

[FlaGator]

WTH is he fantasizing about?

True time ...

This past spring my employer announced that over the next year and a half it was going to gradually close our facility and move its product to one of two other locations, one in SoCal, and the other in an East Coast state. For me it meant I had a choice between shutting down 4 decades of life in Silicon Valley - family, wife's job (full-time permanent, not contract), friends, the house we've owned for over two decades, church, doctors - or finding a new job. I chose the latter. After a previously planned vacation, updating my resume', and such, it took me a little less than 3 months between sending out my first resume' and starting at my new job. And during that time I was one of the main - if not the main - prospects for another company looking to fill an opening, but which put it on hold because of so many relevant employees going on vacation. My new job is full-time permanent, and probably the best I've had in at least 15 years.

Because I used several job boards as part of my search - e.g. Monster, Glassdoor, ZipRecruiter - I get daily emails about opening in my field. There's a lot of tech companies hiring. A few are 6 month or 12 month contracts, but most (by far) are full-time permanent. The closest I've seen to TMN's fantasy Uber Model contract-worker economy is companies who hire new people on contract for 1-3 months and hire them as permanent when they know the person is suitable. That's been a common practice, that I know of personally, since William the Indolent's MALAdministration, and probably much longer. As for temporary and contract employment, that's been "out there" and common for about as long as I've been in tech (i.e. since at least the Carter Administration). When was the last time TMN had a non-government job?

What's really happened in TMN's hate-filled, bitter, paranoid mind is that it's latched onto Uber's part-time, non-union, drive-your-own-car business model (kind of like the pizza delivery business model Domino's started doing in the Kennedy or Johnson administration) and fantasized it as the way all employers are going. It doesn't take 30 seconds of thought to see how utterly ridiculous this is. Whether it's a computer, a farm tractor, a car ..., you have to have substantial full-time staff doing the designing, manufacturing, and administering.

The way a lot of this is going in the IT world is that FTEs fill all the basic roles that require detailed business knowledge and then specific design and construction expertise is brought in via contractors to make specific changes to software. For example my company is migrating from an in house written sales fulfillment software and in house written order management system to third party packages. We have brought in contractors who manage the switch over but will no longer be needed once the change is completed.

Another use for contracts is that the team that manages the infrastructure are mostly FTEs. They do bring in contractors to evaluate them and offer them permanent jobs if they work out.

I started in my present position doing data engineering as a contractor to assist during the company's peak sales period (the Holidays) and was evaluated for a FTE position. I was offered an FTE spot and I accepted because I really like it here.

The future of the world because of contractors is not all the gloom and doom that TMN proposes. To extrapolate the future from Uber and Lyft drivers is plain silly.

[SVPete]

The way a lot of this is going in the IT world is that FTEs fill all the basic roles that require detailed business knowledge and then specific design and construction expertise is brought in via contractors to make specific changes to software. For example my company is migrating from an in house written sales fulfillment software and in house written order management system to third party packages. We have brought in contractors who manage the switch over but will no longer be needed once the change is completed.

Another use for contracts is that the team that manages the infrastructure are mostly FTEs. They do bring in contractors to evaluate them and offer them permanent jobs if they work out.

I started in my present position doing data engineering as a contractor to assist during the company's peak sales period (the Holidays) and was evaluated for a FTE position. I was offered an FTE spot and I accepted because I really like it here.

The future of the world because of contractors is not all the gloom and doom that TMN proposes. To extrapolate the future from Uber and Lyft drivers is plain silly.

Contract work is certainly part of the overall picture. In the 1970s - Carter's MALAdministration - Motorola in Phoenix was well known for hiring people like crazy for a project, and then 6 or 9 months later, when the project was done, lay them off again. That was part of what persuaded me to move from the Valley of the Sun, where there were only a few tech companies, to Silicon Valley. I wanted full-time "permanent" long-term jobs.

[SVPete]

DU-folks fantasy of what the job market should be is where low-moderate skilled & educated people have union jobs-for-life. That died in the 1970s, if it ever was reality. Technology advances in almost every industry, requiring people to "reinvent" themselves on an ongoing basis.

[landofconfusion80]

I love how they always claim capitalism is on its last legs while their economic system of choice has failed multiple times on a variety of scales.  Ussr, venezuela, any choice of soviet block countries, etc

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[Maverick1987]

TMN is deserving of his own subforum here in The DUmpster

[franksolich]

TMN is deserving of his own subforum here in The DUmpster

It's like trying to get the stench out of a bunch of things by putting them out to air.

[BlueStateSaint]

It's like trying to get the stench out of a bunch of things by putting them out to air.

And finding out that the stench just increases.

[SVPete]

I love how they always claim capitalism is on its last legs while their economic system of choice has failed multiple times on a variety of scales.  Ussr, venezuela, any choice of soviet block countries, etc

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The funniest example would have to be the failing USSR having to prop up Castro's failing Cuba.

[USA4ME]

Bob should take this problem to Hillary who can then take it to all her Wall Street donors and ask them what she should do. Then Bob should shut up when he gets his answer.

.

[Bad Dog]

The funniest example would have to be the failing USSR having to prop up Castro's failing Cuba.

From the few things leaking out, it looks like dear leader is trying to pick up that burden.  I still expect him to turn Gitmo over to the castros and pardon shillery just before leaving office.

[VelvetElvis]

Bob should take this problem to Hillary who can then take it to all her Wall Street donors and ask them what she should do. Then Bob should shut up when he gets his answer.

Would that be like "Ft. Marcy Park" shut up, or just the regular kind?