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Offline I_B_Perky

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R134 now will be banned. USA takes it in the rear
« on: October 16, 2016, 06:46:14 PM »
I read this in the paper this morning.  Was an AP story. Apparently is it binding on all nations

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/15/climate-change-environmentalists-hail-deal-to-limit-use-of-hydrofluorocarbons

I remember reading something a while back, several years, that Dupont had propositioned the fed government to replace the HFC due to global warming. The document I read was the official Dupont proposal to ban R134 due to global warming.

The real reason?  The patent was expiring.

http://netrightdaily.com/2014/09/new-epa-killer-coolant-regs-crony-boon-dupont/

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The EPA began banning Freon in 1978 — and DuPont’s patent for Freon expired in 1979. When DuPont invented Freon’s EPA-approved replacement (HFC-134a), they applauded the move to ban Freon. The catch was that, in addition to banning Freon from new development, refrigeration units would need to replace Freon with DuPont’s new HFC-134a.

A generation later, the same environmental alarmists have adopted new environmental scare tactics to create regulations that will profit the same corporate giants. The ozone layer has dropped out of national headlines in favor of global warming-causing “greenhouse gasses” (such as what you’re presently exhaling as you read this). Conveniently, HFC-134a has now been characterized as a very potent “greenhouse gas,” and therefore finds itself in the crosshairs of the EPA and environmental fear mongers everywhere.

But not to the detriment of HFC-creator DuPont. HFC’s proposed replacement (HFO-1234yf) was created by DuPont who now, along with Honeywell, holds a patent on the cooling chemical.


That is what this is all about.  The original article I read about had to with the replacement. Seems it is flammable and all car garages will have to replace their equipment to the tune of 20 grand.  Can't find it now.  So now we are going to have this flammable shit in our homes as well.  :banghead:

Edited to add:
I found this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307265/EPA-nominee-tough-questions-approved-new-car-air-conditioner-refrigerant-caused-ENGINE-FIRES-Mercedes-Benz-tests.html
Wasn't the actual proposal from Dupont to the feds.

Now we get this shit from the obumbles admin. Another article:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Inhabit/2016/1015/Nearly-200-nations-pass-gigantic-HFC-greenhouse-gas-agreement

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It is also a legally binding agreement where participating countries have to follow specific targets and timetables, unlike the Paris climate deal that had to be ratified by a certain number of nations before it went into effect this week.

My question is how can this "agreement" be legally binding with passing congress?  Oh I forgot. All the EPA has to do is ban it.  :rant:
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Re: R134 now will be banned. USA takes it in the rear
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 07:00:12 PM »
Really bad idea. Climate change is just a fancy word for re-distribution.
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