http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028186325Oh my.
Lee-Lee (2,991 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:53 AM
Why did Keith Scotts family lie about the gun?
It's pretty clear now the whole "he had a book" story is bullshit, especially given that we see him wearing an ankle holster it's clear that the conspiracy theories of a planted gun are nonsense.
It also explains her repeated yelling to him "don't do it" if she knew he had a gun and didn't want him to pull it out or use it. It would be far more likely than not that a spouse knows if the spouse carried a gun, especially give what she yelled to him this looks to be the case.
Yet they invented the book story and very publicly pushed it and stuck to it. Even when protests turned violent, when priest was destroyed, when a man was killed at protests based in large part on their false story.
Why did they stick with the story they almost certainly knew to be false in the face of all that was happening?
People who lie about police misconduct are just as bad as police who lie about how an event went down. But for some reason they just get a pass and it's OK to lie about the police.
---I edited my last paragraph to make my stance more clear, since people seem more worried about that than how they all got played for fools by a lie that caused violent protests than got people injured and even killed.
<<<wonders how long Lamond's going to let this post stand.
CBGLuthier (12,645 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:55 AM
1. People who lie are as bad as people who kill?
First, oh wise one, how the **** do you know they lied?
Lee-Lee (2,991 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:56 AM
2. They kept insisting there was no gun- yet there is one
And video shows him wearing an ankle holster.
And doesn't show this mythical book he was supposed to be holding.
doc03 (17,209 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
8. We have the BLM protesting about bad police shootings. Cases like this
where we have victims pushing false accusations on social media doesn't help their cause.
Stuff like that discredits the BLM movement in many people's minds. I think some of the
commentators in the media went off halfcocked too and inflamed the situation.
Maybe people should wait and get the facts before they start burning down a city in protest.
^^^
Like that's anything that's going to happen.....among Lamond's brothers and on Skins's island.
NightWatcher (29,897 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:59 AM
3. So the cops get to be judge, jury, and executioner? And you're cool with that?
Lee-Lee (2,991 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:31 AM
14. Obviously that's not even an honest assessment
Lethal force used in response to lethal force or a threat of it is a far, far cry from cops being "judge, jury and executioner".
This kind of intentional misrepresentation and inflammatory rhetoric does just as much damage as the intentional lies about how events went down, and are why honest intelligent discussion on the issue is often impossible.
MadDAsHell (769 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:07 AM
5. Why did people initially claim Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back?
Why do witnesses to violent crimes refuse to cooperate with police to find and prosecute perpetrators? You would think it'd be to their community's benefit to put murderers behind bars, but time and time again, all over the country, eyewitnesses refuse to cooperate, or flat out lie in their testimony.
I think it's frustration. I think people are upset about legitimate police abuses and are willing to say or do anything for a little revenge.
It's wrong, but I see why it's happening, because legitimate police abuses have been swept under the rugs for a long time.
But then what happens is that no one no longer believes even legitimate complaints, because there's been so many lies told about similar cases.
<<<has gotten to where doesn't believe a single thing Lamond says, because they're all lies anyway.
Lee-Lee (2,991 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:15 AM
10. And that just makes it even harder to clean things up
How do you weed out the real bad cops when so many allegations are false?
There was a study done by the DOJ wen dash cams were just coming into use and most people were not aware of them. They looked at the effect of video footage on resolving complaints and found that 95% of complaints were unsubstantiated. Even more telling they found that around 50% of people who filed complaints of misconduct withdrew thier complaint as soon as they became aware there was video footage.
You can't fix anything if people keep putting so much garbage out that you can't tell what's a real issue and what is either made up or blown way out of proportion.
Marr (20,182 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:11 AM
7. Scenarios like this have played out several times now, and they've turned BLM into a joke.
Korryn Gaines was another. When people hop on board these claims without evidence, and the police turn out to have acted reasonably, they look stupid* and permanently undermine their cause.
*Lamond can't help himself, though.
Lee-Lee (2,991 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:18 AM
11. It certainly harms the credibility of activists who back that story
The harm from all that came out based on this will affect thing in Charlotte for a long time. The community leaders who jumped on this without waiting have lost a lot of credibility with the rest of the city and with the PD. The PD will be a lot less likely to take their voices and concerns as serious now.
It's a huge mess they created by going with this story and pushing it so hard.
lame54 (17,509 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:33 AM
15. What proof do you have they lied...
Maybe they were lied to
FBaggins (15,616 posts) Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:46 AM
20. Is that even plausible?
The guy has multiple felony counts of crimes with a deadly weapon (including firing at people) and has this obviously-well-used holster strapped to his ankle... and you think it's plausible that his wife doesn't know that he has a gun?
