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We need to revive the Public Option
« on: August 17, 2016, 10:42:11 AM »
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We need to revive the Public Option, and pay for it with a combination of premiums and


a federal consumption tax on certain non-survival goods e.g. cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, and soft drinks, etc.

Premiums should be based on your income. The higher your income, the higher your premium. People with low incomes would have their premiums subsidized with the national sales tax.

Healthcare professionals would be compensated at a lightly higher rate than Medicaid/Medicare to attract providers to accept this insurance.

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Who the hell are you to tell doctors what money they can and can not make? Plus, your consumption tax will never work. Cigarettes are bootlegged big time because cigarettes are so expensive because of the taxes on them.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2016, 10:55:36 AM »
The first thing the few working DUmbasses would do is quit their jobs so as to qualify for the subsidy.
That has always been the reason they obsess over national healthcare.
They want to leave the workforce without risk of financial impact.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2016, 11:11:22 AM »
same shit, different day.  Deadbeat DUmmies demanding free stuff from the hard working folks.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2016, 11:19:40 AM »
Quote from: CC27 on August 17, 2016, 10:42:11 AM
Who the hell are you to tell doctors what money they can and can not make? Plus, your consumption tax will never work. Cigarettes are bootlegged big time because cigarettes are so expensive because of the taxes on them.

I believe the DUmmie is talking about the reimbursement rate from the single payer would be, not what they are allowed to make.  If so, that's not going to fly with the senior interest groups (Like AARP and other powerful lobbies) who would strongly oppose a different government program paying more for the same procedures.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2016, 11:25:14 AM »
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We need to revive the Public Option, and pay for it with a combination of premiums and


a federal consumption tax on certain non-survival goods e.g. cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, and soft drinks, etc.

Premiums should be based on your income. The higher your income, the higher your premium. People with low incomes would have their premiums subsidized with the national sales tax.

Healthcare professionals would be compensated at a lightly higher rate than Medicaid/Medicare to attract providers to accept this insurance.

I would go for this idea provided that medical care preference (Emergency rooms, procedures etc.) is also given to the people paying the higher premiums.

People that are subsidized go to the back of the waiting Que regardless of the medical issue.   :mad:
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2016, 01:16:57 PM »
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The higher your income, the higher your premium.

They wouldn't say that crap if they had two dimes to rub together.  :rant:
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2016, 01:33:42 PM »
"sin taxes" what a novel idea DUmmy.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2016, 01:35:04 PM »
Quote from: fatboy on August 17, 2016, 01:33:42 PM
"sin taxes" what a novel idea DUmmy.

Tax the shit out of weed and watch them howl! :whistling:
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2016, 01:37:48 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on August 17, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
Tax the shit out of weed and watch them howl! :whistling:
they would consider weed to be tax exempt because it is a life sustaining necessity for them.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2016, 01:58:26 PM »
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2. More likely they'll blame it on Obama/Dems because they don't understand mess GOPer opposition

created when ACA was enacted

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Hoyt the grabber should stick to his bread and butter issue instead of making up things about how obamacare was put into law. Because it only goes to prove in a public setting that he is, well, retarded.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2016, 02:22:40 PM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on August 17, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
same shit, different day.  Deadbeat DUmmies demanding free stuff from the hard working folks.

It's hilarious.  The more they see their fReEsHit!!11 scams implode, do they start to acknowledge reality?

Noooooooooooooo!  The more they delve into ridiculously unworkable brain farts to convince themselves that they can do it.

Next time.  It'll work.  Really, it will.   We just didn't go far enough.  The right people.........  :hammer:

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2. More likely they'll blame it on Obama/Dems because they don't understand mess GOPer opposition

created when ACA was enacted    :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2016, 02:24:38 PM »
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The higher your income, the higher your premium.

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They wouldn't say that crap if they had two dimes to rub together.  :rant:
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2016, 05:28:04 PM »
Quote from: Carl on August 17, 2016, 10:55:36 AM
The first thing the few working DUmbasses would do is quit their jobs so as to qualify for the subsidy.
That has always been the reason they obsess over national healthcare.
They want to leave the workforce without risk of financial impact.

Just like that couple I read about about a year ago or so. As I recall, they were in SanFran and had a combined income of about $65k. They each took pay cuts to lower their income so they could qualify for subsidies. But they were huge jugears fans and huge jugearscare fans.

IOW, let others pay for them.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2016, 05:31:23 PM »
Return on investment. Libs need to learn this. Once doctors' pay drops below a certain line then people will quit becoming doctors. Why put several hundred thousand dollars in to an education that leads to a career that pays less than high school teacher? Add on top of that the malpractice insurance, law suites, regulation induced paper work and putting up with bitchy patients there won't be much of an incentive to become a doctor.

When it comes to something like open heart surgery then I want a specialist who makes millions a year, loves his job and wants to keep making millions a year and not some guy or gal who's trying preoccupied with deciding if they want to keep being a surgeon making $20.00 an hour after insurance and taxes.
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2016, 06:50:04 PM »
What the dummies fail to realize is that medicare and medicaid are the big drivers in the cost of health care.  They can dictate what they will pay and it ain't shit, so hospitals, etc lose money and they have to make it up somehow or they will go out of business.

Personally I think the fed government ought to give the vets vouchers and send all the single payer proponents to the VA.  That would be a win win.  Vets get good health care and the VA can kill off the dummies.*


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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2016, 07:11:44 PM »
Quote from: fatboy on August 17, 2016, 01:33:42 PM
"sin taxes" what a novel idea DUmmy.

Let's look at that:
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a federal consumption tax on certain non-survival goods e.g. cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, and soft drinks, etc.

Premiums should be based on your income. The higher your income, the higher your premium. People with low incomes would have their premiums subsidized with the national sales tax.

So, when I go to buy a six pack and a carton, I have to show my last year 1040 along with my ID?
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2016, 07:25:15 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on August 17, 2016, 07:11:44 PM
Let's look at that:
So, when I go to buy a six pack and a carton, I have to show my last year 1040 along with my ID?

Dummie apparently does not smoke or drink.  Dummie makes very little money.  So dummie wants the smokers, drinkers, and those that make more money to pay for its healthcare. 

I like the suggestion that we tax weed to pay for the dummies health care.  Now that would make the bernie Vs hillary argument look like a minor lovers quarrel.  :cheersmate:
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2016, 08:15:35 PM »
Quote from: FlaGator on August 17, 2016, 05:31:23 PM
Return on investment. Libs need to learn this. Once doctors' pay drops below a certain line then people will quit becoming doctors. Why put several hundred thousand dollars in to an education that leads to a career that pays less than high school teacher? Add on top of that the malpractice insurance, law suites, regulation induced paper work and putting up with bitchy patients there won't be much of an incentive to become a doctor.

When it comes to something like open heart surgery then I want a specialist who makes millions a year, loves his job and wants to keep making millions a year and not some guy or gal who's trying preoccupied with deciding if they want to keep being a surgeon making $20.00 an hour after insurance and taxes.

We're already seeing some of this. Between government, large insurance groups, and government, the profit has been squeezed out older meds & vaccines and from staples like the saline solution used to hydrate patients and as a carrier for IV meds. Consequently, fewer companies make these, usually not the top flight pharmaceuticals companies, and shortages have resulted (the supply of saline solution was critically short just a few months ago!). ObamaCare plus the expansion of Medicare and corresponding state-run programs are going to drive doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceuticals companies out of the healthcare business, bankrupt the Feds and states doing it, and kill a lot of people in the process. It will probably take a couple of decades - the pols who inflicted it on the country will mostly be dead by then - but unless some drastic changes are made, it will happen.

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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2016, 12:39:43 AM »
Quote from: FlaGator on August 17, 2016, 05:31:23 PM
Return on investment. Libs need to learn this. Once doctors' pay drops below a certain line then people will quit becoming doctors. Why put several hundred thousand dollars in to an education that leads to a career that pays less than high school teacher? Add on top of that the malpractice insurance, law suites, regulation induced paper work and putting up with bitchy patients there won't be much of an incentive to become a doctor.

When it comes to something like open heart surgery then I want a specialist who makes millions a year, loves his job and wants to keep making millions a year and not some guy or gal who's trying preoccupied with deciding if they want to keep being a surgeon making $20.00 an hour after insurance and taxes.

There it is.  That raycissssss word:  Incentive.  I read somewhere and I may, of course, be way off, but I thought I read that Doctors in Cuba can be out earned by hustling Havana cab drivers.

Boy, sign me up for Casto U. of Medicine, STAT!
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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2016, 11:59:18 AM »
If they wish to dictate what health professionals earn, wouldn't that be structured like public school teachers...with similar results?

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Re: We need to revive the Public Option
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2016, 02:23:08 PM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on August 17, 2016, 01:37:48 PM
they would consider weed to be tax exempt because it is a life sustaining necessity for them.

Yup, that's my medicine don't ya know.    Ain't no sin in taking a little sip of rumetiz medicine  :-)  jus ask ole granny Clinton, er I mean Clampett.
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