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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-01-08 03:10 PMOriginal message Focus Should be on Cheney in the Wake of the Anthrax Suspect "Suicide" Advertisements [?]Friday, August 1, 2008Focus Should be on Cheney in the Wake of the Anthrax Suspect "Suicide"In the past couple days there have been some revelations that have been very illuminating regarding our own Number Two squatting in the White House. Seymour Hersh, who has been vigilant in reporting Cheney's lust for an attack on Iran before the voters at long last kick him out of 1600 Pennnsylvania Avenue, had some fascinating new details to tell yesterday:EXCLUSIVE: To Provoke War, Cheney Considered Proposal To Dress Up Navy Seals As Iranians And Shoot At Them»Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’†according to one of Hersh’s sources.During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. (Emphasis added)Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.more...http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/31/cheney-proposal-for... /Seeing that Cheney has the inclination to initiate a false flag operation of Americans killing Americans where Iran is concerned, can we find an example where Cheney might be involved in a false flag operation that was carried out? We need only look deeper into the implications of the reported suicide of the anthrax suspect Bruce E. Ivins. Glenn Greenwald has updated a remarkable expose today:Friday Aug. 1, 2008 05:36 EDTVital unresolved anthrax questions and ABC News(updated below - Update II - Update III)The FBI's lead suspect in the September, 2001 anthrax attacks -- Bruce E. Ivins -- died Tuesday night, apparently by suicide, just as the Justice Department was about to charge him with responsibility for the attacks. For the last 18 years, Ivins was a top anthrax researcher at the U.S. Government's biological weapons research laboratories at Ft. Detrick, Maryland, where he was one of the most elite government anthrax scientists on the research team at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease (USAMRIID).snipDuring the last week of October, 2001, ABC News, led by Brian Ross, continuously trumpeted the claim as their top news story that government tests conducted on the anthrax -- tests conducted at Ft. Detrick -- revealed that the anthrax sent to Daschele contained the chemical additive known as bentonite. ABC News, including Peter Jennings, repeatedly claimed that the presence of bentonite in the anthrax was compelling evidence that Iraq was responsible for the attacks, since -- as ABC variously claimed -- bentonite "is a trademark of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program" and "only one country, Iraq, has used bentonite to produce biological weapons."ABC News' claim -- which they said came at first from "three well-placed but separate sources," followed by "four well-placed and separate sources" -- was completely false from the beginning. There never was any bentonite detected in the anthrax (a fact ABC News acknowledged for the first time in 2007 only as a result of my badgering them about this issue). It's critical to note that it isn't the case that preliminary tests really did detect bentonite and then subsequent tests found there was none. No tests ever found or even suggested the presence bentonite. The claim was just concocted from the start. It just never happened.snipUPDATE III: See this important point from Atrios about Richard Cohen's admission that he was told before the anthrax attacks happened by a "high government official" to take cipro. Atrios write: "now that we know that the US gov't believes that anthrax came from the inside, shouldn't Cohen be a wee bit curious about what this warning was based on?"more...http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald /This is some damning information against ABC News. I hope this helps ignite a public uproar against them to release the identities of these "four well-placed and separate sources". Is it possible that one of them was Bruce E. Ivins? He certainly was "well-placed" enough to comment on the phony bentonite-positive test results on the anthrax. And who is Richard Cohen's "high government official"? Could that official be one of ABC News' "well-placed" sources? And how might Cheney be involved in this? I can only answer the last question:White House Mail Machine Has AnthraxBy Sandra SobierajAssociated Press WriterTuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDTsnipAt least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved. (Emphasis added)http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/... The first set of anthrax letters were postmarked on September 18, 2001, one week after Cheney and his staff started taking Cipro.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks We need to be prepared to raise holy hell if the FBI decides to close shop in the wake of the Ivins "suicide" by declaring his guilt as a "lone nut". We've heard that dismissive song to many times in the past to take it on face value. I put the word "suicide" in quotes because in the wake of Glenn Greenwald's revelations there are simply too many connected "well-placed and separate sources" caught in a bald-faced lie who would benefit from having a patsy silenced. Only a full, thorough and independent investigation will verify the truth. But don't hold your breath. As X instructed Garrison in the movie JFK, "Stir the shit storm".http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2008/08/focus-should-... Please send this information to Henry Waxman, John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, or whoever you trust will initiate a real investigation into this scandal. At the very least, kick and recommend this if you feel this matter deserves serious attention.
MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-01-08 03:57 PMResponse to Reply #2 4. I agree but with what appears to be evidence that Cheney and other key criminals took Cipiro before the attacks...means that they had fore knoweledge of the event. Ceheny was involved in this...no doubt about it.
AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-01-08 04:04 PMResponse to Reply #4 5. Great point ! I'm tempted to think less about a well-coordinated conspiracy and more along the lines of a civil war! I feel that this may be a real danger and something we should also be concerned about. Suppose that a right-wing whacko in the Air Force happens to be piloting a bomber aircraft and decides to use something like Google Earth to target libruls. The only coordination required from Cheney is to give a 'go' signal.
And they did all this including the 9/11 attacks after just nine months in office and no one knew or snitched. Stupidity gets redefined every day by the primitives.
On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm
Seymour Hersh, hell he probably posts at DU......
I can only imagine the kind of drugs one must ingest to believe this crap.
