Please Stop Saying You Want to Go to Cuba Before It’s Ruined

[FiddyBeowulf]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027966014
I thought there was a post here that someone brought over from the island that referenced this idea that Cuba was going to be ruined if the USA normalizes relations with them but I could not find it. Maybe I saw it on HotAir.com, anyway DUmmie Ken Burch makes himself look even DUmber in the thread which I did not think was possible.

Nye Bevan (24,971 posts)

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Please Stop Saying You Want to Go to Cuba Before It’s Ruined
Here’s a terse explanation of why: a doctor, a lawyer, or another similar profession that is considered to be high-earning everywhere else in the world will make about twenty to thirty dollars per month in Cuba. Yet shampoo at the store still costs three dollars. This is because everything is supposed to be rationed out to you, but the reality is that they’re always out of most things, and your designated ration is always meager.

Ken Burch (42,103 posts)
1. Everything beautiful and authentic will be destroyed if market values comes in.

You can't have poetry and cultural truth AND McDonald's.

What they need is democracy, not capitalism.

Nothing magical will exist in the kind of Cuba this sort of exile wants.

Yes, people might have more things...but that isn't anything.

Nuclear Unicorn (18,823 posts)
3. Is this a serious post?(Ken's post, I assume) I honestly can't tell.

Star Member Ken Burch (42,103 posts)
6. If Cuba goes full-on capitalist, no humane social values can be preserved there.

And a market values Cuba would never be a place where the principles of anarchism would be allowed to spread.

No creative community would survive.

I'm saying Cuba needs an end to repression but not capitalism.

Star Member Dreamer Tatum (10,065 posts)
4. If only the Cuban people had one person to make decisions for them

...they could live in the paradise they deserve.

Oh wait. They did, and they still do.

Ken Burch (42,103 posts)
8. I'm not defending any of the repression. Just the humane social values.

We both know those values can't survive if mass privatization and foreign takeovers of the economy occur.

It would be a tragedy if Cuba ended up like Poland or Hungary-two countries where nothing progressive or positive can ever happen again.

That's what switching to "market values" does, everyplace in the world:

Starbucks and stock exchanges and upscale boutiques come in, and people end up sleeping in the streets.

Dreamer Tatum (10,065 posts)
10. We certainly can't have capitalism wrecking their prosperity

I agree with you there.



Seriously, who are you to decide what an entire country needs and wants? What would be a tragedy is if some moon-eyed collection of rich-assed gringo do-gooders decided Cubans are far cuter in 1956 Chevys and homemade sandals than they are if they could choose their own path.

newthinking (3,835 posts)
15. Well. consider that you are also expressing your opinion of how you think they should progress

I could not help but jump in here. The other poster is not doing anything different than you are?

Dreamer Tatum (10,065 posts)
18. You're right: advocating for them to make their own decisions, is, in a way..

...me imposing my values on them.

I mean, how presumptuous of me: wanting people to decide things for themselves rather than be clucked at
by people who carry $600 iPhones.

...and it goes on and on. Some DUmmies question the credentials of the writer as a sort of last defense of Cuban socialism but unlike most any DUmmie she actually lived there.

[Carl]

The most religious people on the planet are marxists.

[BlueStateSaint]

Ken, Ken, Ken . . .

Ken Burch (42,103 posts)
1. Everything beautiful and authentic will be destroyed if market values comes in.

You can't have poetry and cultural truth AND McDonald's.

What they need is democracy, not capitalism.

Nothing magical will exist in the kind of Cuba this sort of exile wants.

Yes, people might have more things...but that isn't anything.

You can have Vogon poetry . . .

See, see the shrill sky
 Marvel at its big neon green depths.
 Tell me, mike do you
 Wonder why the dragon ignores you?
 Why its foobly stare
 makes you feel loagy.
 I can tell you, it is
 Worried by your rthgelir facial growth
 That looks like
 A butter
 What's more, it knows
 Your squish potting shed
 Smells of aphid.
 Everything under the big shrill sky
 Asks why, why do I even bother?
 You only charm cadaver.

I love that poetry generator . . . !

[thundley4]

Sounds like Ken Burch wants a place to go to where he could live like royalty on US Social Security.

[Chris_]

Trying to live on a dollar a day and starving to death is morally superior to liberals than working 9-5 because of "cultural truth", as long as they're not the ones suffering.

[thundley4]

Trying to live on a dollar a day and starving to death is morally superior to liberals than working 9-5 because of "cultural truth", as long as they're not the ones suffering.

Being a dead rape victim is morally superior to surviving by shooting the would-be rapist. Liberals have weird ideas of moral superiority.

[Duke Nukum]

I can't find a list of liberals who have defected to Cuba anywhere so Ken could be first on that list. He should consider it.

[Karin]

Thanks for rowing it over, Fiddybeowulf.  I dropped it in the Shoutbox, but got too busy to do the rowing myself.  Just like a DUmmie, expecting everyone else to do the work for me.   

Ken Burch was a complete asshole piece of shit in that thread.  He got called on it quite a bit.  People like him piss me off; they have no idea what real, grinding, abject poverty is.  He thinks that whatever they have going on there now, is "humane values."  **** you, Ken.  It's a good read if you have a few minutes.

[franksolich]

comment 3167 and following:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3150

[Karin]

He's a vile disgusting loathsome revolting piece of shit, and his "band" is no such thing.  It's just him strumming tunelessly on an acoustic, and doing some whiny spoken word thing. 

[Patriot Guard Rider]

He's a vile disgusting loathsome revolting piece of shit, and his "band" is no such thing.  It's just him strumming tunelessly on an acoustic, and doing some whiny spoken word thing.

Would that be like, white mans rap?

[Big Dog]

Would that be like, white mans rap?

I like my white man's rap a little more old-school.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLSmhpwLdEQ[/youtube]

[SVPete]

I don't get it. That character thinks capitalism would be as or more repressive to "the principles of anarchism" than a murderous autocratic dictator? That McDonald's is incompatible with art? He needs to spend a few years in NoKo, Cuba, or Zimbabwe (I'd include Venezuela, but that autocracy seems to be facing an existential threat).

[Ptarmigan]

The most religious people on the planet are marxists.

It is not just a religion, it is a disease of the soul.

[landofconfusion80]

He's a vile disgusting loathsome revolting piece of shit, and his "band" is no such thing.  It's just him strumming tunelessly on an acoustic, and doing some whiny spoken word thing.

Wait, tell us what you really think

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[98ZJUSMC]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027966014
I thought there was a post here that someone brought over from the island that referenced this idea that Cuba was going to be ruined if the USA normalizes relations with them.

The Marxistâ„¢Media has been saying that for the last 2-3 years. 

[98ZJUSMC]

I don't get it. That character thinks capitalism would be as or more repressive to "the principles of anarchism" than a murderous autocratic dictator? That McDonald's is incompatible with art?

 I, finally, met organisms like that in college.  It was shattering. 

He needs to spend a few years in NoKo, Cuba, or Zimbabwe (I'd include Venezuela, but that autocracy seems to be facing an existential threat).

Which is, just the thing.  They don't, won't and will do nothing, but make excuses for it.  Socialisms' repeated failures are the fault of ..... Capitalism!

Which is the only thing that makes it temporarily viable.

Hellooooooooo, idiots!

[98ZJUSMC]

Quote from: Carl on Today at 12:47:42 PM
The most religious people on the planet are marxists.

 

[Big Dog]

I don't get it. That character thinks capitalism would be as or more repressive to "the principles of anarchism" than a murderous autocratic dictator? That McDonald's is incompatible with art? He needs to spend a few years in NoKo, Cuba, or Zimbabwe (I'd include Venezuela, but that autocracy seems to be facing an existential threat).

That DUmbass has no idea what anarchism means.  Literally it is "no master", also known as self-ownership, and is one of the principles of libertarianism. Anarchism is antithetical to everything the DUmmies believe in, and there is not one iota of it to be found in that authoritarian shithole... nor in Cuba, for that matter.

Murray Rothbard wrote, “Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism. Not only are they compatible, but you can't really have one without the other. True anarchism will be capitalism, and true capitalism will be anarchism.”

Eat of bag of dicks, DUmmy, and choke on them.

[Chris_]

Cuba welcomes first American hotel chain in half a century as luxury resort opens in Havana

The end is near!

[FiddyBeowulf]

Cuba welcomes first American hotel chain in half a century as luxury resort opens in Havana

The end is near!

Starwood Hotels has taken over management of a luxury hotel in Havana, becoming the first big American hospitality chain with a presence on the island since the Cuban Revolution 50 years ago.

The newly-rechristened Cuba Four Points by Sheraton on Havana's Quinta Avenida - a hotel owned by the Cuban military...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3665387/First-US-chain-hotel-half-century-opens-Cuba.html#ixzz4D3ogAHb1
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This explains why this hotel is not crumbling apart like the rest of the country.

[landofconfusion80]

I, finally, met organisms like that in college.  It was shattering. 

Which is, just the thing.  They don't, won't and will do nothing, but make excuses for it.  Socialisms' repeated failures are the fault of ..... Capitalism!

Which is the only thing that makes it temporarily viable.

Hellooooooooo, idiots!

It is capitalism's fault. As long as there is  a better alternative to socialism, it will be doomed. Capitalism must be absolutely stomped out in all corners of the world for them to be happy.

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[fatboy]

This is of course my opinion. When the Glorious Cuban Revolution kicked all of the successful Cuban businesses out and the US placed it's trade embargo on the country, other Central American countries such as Honduras started to grow and export handrolled cigars to replace Cuban cigars in the American market. At first they were inferior but over the years they have improved to the point of being arguably as good as Cuban cigars.

I think what will happen is once the US lifts the trade embargo and allows Cuban cigars in, Americans will buy any Cigar made in Cuba regardless of the quality and this will put the other Central American cigar makers out of business. We will, in my opinion, end up with inferior cigars, all made in Cuba and probably the same will happen to imported rum as well.

[diesel driver]

Nye Bevan (24,971 posts)

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Please Stop Saying You Want to Go to Cuba Before It’s Ruined

I say that boat already sailed back in the 1950's...

[FiddyBeowulf]

This is of course my opinion. When the Glorious Cuban Revolution kicked all of the successful Cuban businesses out and the US placed it's trade embargo on the country, other Central American countries such as Honduras started to grow and export handrolled cigars to replace Cuban cigars in the American market. At first they were inferior but over the years they have improved to the point of being arguably as good as Cuban cigars.

I think what will happen is once the US lifts the trade embargo and allows Cuban cigars in, Americans will buy any Cigar made in Cuba regardless of the quality and this will put the other Central American cigar makers out of business. We will, in my opinion, end up with inferior cigars, all made in Cuba and probably the same will happen to imported rum as well.

There many differences between Cuban cigars and those made else where. Cuban cigars pretty much are limited to tobacco grown in Cuba. Cigars made in Nicaragua (for example) are not limited to just the tobacco grown in Nicaragua. So the flavor of the cigar can be more complex (Nicaraguan filler/Brazilian wrapper) and offer more enjoyment for the cigar smoker.

But this will not matter anyway if the FDA has its way.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/fda-ruling-threatens-cigar-industry-18788