$kimmer e-mail to all of DU. (I, uh, found it somewhere else)

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Star Member Skinner (61,762 posts)

About the upcoming transition to general election season
There has been a lot of talk on DU lately about the fact that we are nearing the end of the primaries. As you probably know this issue has been raised a few times in the Ask the Administrators forum. I figure it might be helpful to re-post some of my comments out here in the Announcements forum so they get a wider audience.


Timing (link)

After the primaries on June 7 (California, New Jersey, etc.) we will announce that the primaries are nearing an end, and members will have one more week to "get it out of their systems."

The final Democratic presidential primary is Tuesday, June 14 in Washington DC. People will have one last glorious day of primary season on June 15, and then Democratic Underground general election season begins on Thursday, June 16.


What to expect (link)

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea, and are going to be disappointed.

We have no intention of purging anyone (And the chocolate ration has been increased from 25 grams to 20 grams), and we have no intention of disallowing good-faith discussion of the issues. I think most people are going to be fine with that. But there are going to be a a few people (including both Hillary and Bernie supporters) who are going to be disappointed because the massive crackdown they have been hoping for does not come to pass.

Most people think the big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing Hillary Clinton. Yes, that's part of it -- but it's not the only thing and it's definitely not the most important thing. The really big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing each other. (If it wasn't for bashing each other, DU would cease to exist. Haters gotta hate, victims gotta out-victim everyone else).

Throughout this primary season we have been in a death spiral of declining standards (It's DU. Modis Operandi). So we are going to institute some rules, and we will expect everyone to follow those rules, and we will expect everyone to enforce those rules when they serve on juries. The rules shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone -- they are mostly common sense, and they are basically the same rules we had for years when we had moderators: No personal attacks, no broad-brush group attacks, no bigotry, no right-wing smears or sources against Democrats, no advocating for spoilers or republicans, no meta-discussion, etc.

I am just so tired of people bashing each other and bashing Democrats on this website. I know the hardcore partisans will try to paint this whole thing through the Hillary vs Bernie lens, and drive that wedge as hard as they can, but that is just so not where I am at right now. I don't care who anyone has supported in the primaries -- I really don't. As long as you treat your fellow DU members with respect, stop tearing down Democratic public figures (including Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and everyone else), and don't advocate for Donald Trump or some lost-cause third-party spoiler candidate, then you'll be fine.


What criticism of Hillary Clinton will be permitted? (link)

Unfortunately, there is not going to be a hard line between "fine" and "not fine."

But basically, I think it comes down to this:

If you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to help her succeed, then you'll be fine. But if you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to tear her down, then you won't be fine. (But there will be no purge. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...breathe...HAHAHAHAHAHA).

Now, I'm not a mind reader and I can't know for certain what everyone's intentions are (Yours are to make righteous bucks from Hitlary, but I digress) . But I think that if the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting her to succeed" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting to tear her down" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If you are here on DU then you are supposed to be supporting the Democratic nominee against the Republican nominee in the general election (I'm pulling for either one. Trump will make mincemeat out of either of them) -- it shouldn't be very hard to write a post in a way that sounds like it.

I believe that it will be possible to discuss every substantive issue that DUers might want to discuss. (Oh God, you're going to make me laugh again - Personhood for gorillas? Fundraisers for pencils and crayons? Nads mis-spelnigs and gramatikal errers?).


Anything else?

This should come as a surprise to exactly no one. Every four years when there is a presidential campaign Democratic Underground expects our members to support the nominee. It is written into our Terms of Service, which you agreed to when you joined:

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees (I will advocate in favor of the Republican nominee by supporting either DUmmie now trying to win the Dem nomination) or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. ... For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

We will be providing more details in the near future.

[FlippyDoo]

Star Member Skinner (61,762 posts)

About the upcoming transition to general election season
There has been a lot of talk on DU lately about the fact that we are nearing the end of the primaries. As you probably know this issue has been raised a few times in the Ask the Administrators forum. I figure it might be helpful to re-post some of my comments out here in the Announcements forum so they get a wider audience.


Timing (link)

After the primaries on June 7 (California, New Jersey, etc.) we will announce that the primaries are nearing an end, and members will have one more week to "get it out of their systems."

The final Democratic presidential primary is Tuesday, June 14 in Washington DC. People will have one last glorious day of primary season on June 15, and then Democratic Underground general election season begins on Thursday, June 16.


What to expect (link)

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea, and are going to be disappointed.

We have no intention of purging anyone (And the chocolate ration has been increased from 25 grams to 20 grams), and we have no intention of disallowing good-faith discussion of the issues. I think most people are going to be fine with that. But there are going to be a a few people (including both Hillary and Bernie supporters) who are going to be disappointed because the massive crackdown they have been hoping for does not come to pass.

Most people think the big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing Hillary Clinton. Yes, that's part of it -- but it's not the only thing and it's definitely not the most important thing. The really big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing each other. (If it wasn't for bashing each other, DU would cease to exist. Haters gotta hate, victims gotta out-victim everyone else).

Throughout this primary season we have been in a death spiral of declining standards (It's DU. Modis Operandi). So we are going to institute some rules, and we will expect everyone to follow those rules, and we will expect everyone to enforce those rules when they serve on juries. The rules shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone -- they are mostly common sense, and they are basically the same rules we had for years when we had moderators: No personal attacks, no broad-brush group attacks, no bigotry, no right-wing smears or sources against Democrats, no advocating for spoilers or republicans, no meta-discussion, etc.

If any lurking DUmmies need clarification on what a "right-wing source" happens to be I'm here to help. A right-wing source is any source that tells the truth about Democrats or the Democrat Party.

[Tess Anderson]

same one I got, he's putting the DUmmies on notice that if they don't get on the Hillary bandwagon, the jury system will be overridden.  He hopes the Sandtards will come home like the sheep that they are.

He'll probably unban Skippy and Manny if they kiss up enough.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

If any lurking DUmmies need clarification on what a "right-wing source" happens to be I'm here to help. A right-wing source is any source that tells the truth about Democrats or the Democrat Party.

Right wing source, at DU, like gender, is "fluid".

I've seen the NYSlimes for cryin out loud, called a right wing source since it didn't support the views of the poster.

I've seen Fox News accepted as a reliable source IF it supports the view of the poster.

Right wing source? They can't nail down a definition.

Liberals disgust me.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

same one I got, he's putting the DUmmies on notice that if they don't get on the Hillary bandwagon, the jury system will be overridden.  He hopes the Sandtards will come home like the sheep that they are.

He'll probably unban Skippy and Manny if they kiss up enough.

Some of the rumplehairs will come around. Many more won't. They'll go to another website that will wither and die after the election.

Then they'll come up with sock puppets and try and blend in at DU. It won't take long to find them out.