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Offline CC27

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Chains vs Change. H2O man
« on: May 10, 2016, 05:09:25 PM »
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Chains vs Change


Two months ago, on a political discussion internet forum where the Democratic primary was being debated, I posted a brief bit that included two simple questions: First, if the general election contest came down to Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, who did people think the Bush family would support? And second, why?

It seemed to be valid questions to ask on my favorite internet discussion site, the Democratic Underground.

(See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511524583 )

The majority of those responding shared their thoughts, recognizing that there are no “right” or “wrong” answers to questions on personal opinions. I will speculate that most of those who said the Bush family would support Hillary were likely Bernie supporters. Likewise, I am confident that all of those who responded by attacking me for merely posing the question are Clinton supporters.

These included those who called my question “an artful smear,” and “an obvious attempt to tarnish Hillary.” Minister Malcolm X said that when something he said made his opposition squeal, he knew he had raised an important point. I’ve kept this in mind, when I have similar responses from that group of people, including when I post the essays from this blog on that site. It is not that I am foolish enough to think that I am always right, or that every issue involves “right versus wrong.” Rather, I’m just expressing my opinion.

In the context of a potential Clinton versus Trump general election, it is relevant -- indeed, important -- that one takes into account what the establishment values in a candidate. More, while discussing the 1% of the American people, the “economic elite,” one must recognize that they do not self-identify as belonging to either of the two major political parties. The only “team” they belong to is the one-percent economic elite. It is delusional for “average” citizens to believe that those in the establishment, from either party, identify with them more than the elites from the opposing party.

Even before this election season, the close relationship between the Bush and Clinton families was well known. The fact that Bill and Hillary frequently vacation with Henry Kissinger, one of the last century’s most evil war criminals, illustrates the cozy relationships among the elites of “opposing” political parties. More, in recent weeks, not only have Bush the Elder, Bush the Village Idiot, and Jeb gone on the record as saying they will not support Donald Trump in the general election, but Laura “Pickles” Bush has stated that she favors Hillary. Even one of the infamous Koch brothers has endorsed Clinton.

Why is this important? In part, because it shows something that many of us already understood: the Clinton campaign is writing off the progressive community, and instead is courting the support of the republican establishment. Now, I think it is important to note that the candidate herself would like to have the support of progressives ….including those who are registered in the Democratic Party, as well as the independents of the Democratic Left. Indeed, in some instances, Hillary has incorrectly identified herself as a “progressive.” This, of course, contrasts to her descriptions of herself in front of conservative audiences.

Current reports in the media show that the Clinton campaign is now trying to romance the “Bush donor list” for funding for the fall election. It is safe to say their appeals for more corporate millions is not based upon her “progressive” bona fides.

Wall Street is not an avenue for progressive change. Its residents do not share the same agenda as the 99%. Its inhabitants are not political party loyalists. Quite the opposite: they have been engaged in a class warfare that seeks to exploit the American public, just the same as other parasites -- such as tapeworms -- seek to exploit their hosts. And they count upon the politically blind, deaf, and dumb to resent it when someone points out the truth to them.

Luckily, the Sanders revolution continues to tell the truth. And because it isn’t “all about Bernie,” the movement continues, no matter what the outcome of the Democratic National Convention, or the November election.

Peace,
H2O Man

It is too late in the day for me to read all that crap.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511934729
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 05:21:49 PM »
Quote from: CC27 on May 10, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
It is too late in the day for me to read all that crap.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511934729

I read the first paragraph and that was it.
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 08:03:11 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on May 10, 2016, 05:21:49 PM
I read the first paragraph and that was it.

You got that far?

The title advertised a not very clever attempt to be clever,and I don't right now have the patience to wade farther.
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 08:57:29 PM »
Quote from: CC27 on May 10, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
It is too late in the day for me to read all that crap.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511934729

And then he answers pretty much every reply to the OP with a response that's nearly as long as his original.
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 04:25:59 AM »
Pretentious retard.
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2016, 06:07:30 AM »
OK, I waded 2 or 3 paragraphs in. I don't think a pencil sharpener could give him a point.
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2016, 01:18:30 PM »
What a windbag!  He's as bad as $kinner or Pittstain.  Why can't they just make a point?
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2016, 01:33:41 PM »
Quote from: Karin on May 11, 2016, 01:18:30 PM
What a windbag!  He's as bad as $kinner or Pittstain.  Why can't they just make a point?

Apparently, they don't need a point to make a point (from the cartoon movie, "Me and My Arrow").
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2016, 08:20:54 PM »
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2016, 05:37:42 AM »
Quote from: Karin on May 11, 2016, 01:18:30 PM
What a windbag!  He's as bad as $kinner or Pittstain.  Why can't they just make a point?

Faux intellectualism.
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Re: Chains vs Change. H2O man
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2016, 02:13:58 PM »
The question has been answered. The Bushes are and will support Clinton.  Could one imagine the yelps from the GOPe if iJEB! had won and then Trump went back on his pledge?  It would be yuuuuuge. GWB was really nothing more than a leftist democrat in compassionate conservative skin.

Found this somewhere:

Reminds me of what Ted Nugent wrote about Trump:

At this time I do not endorse Donald Trump anymore than I endorse Ted
Cruz as I admire both gentlemen. But these points are SO damn special!

Obama is against Trump
The Media is against Trump
The establishment Democrats are against Trump
The establishment Republicans are against Trump
The Pope is against Trump
The UN is against Trump
The EU is against Trump
China is against Trump
Mexico is against Trump
Soros is against Trump
Black Lives Matter is against Trump
MoveOn.Org is against Trump
Koch Bro’s are against Trump
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump

Bonus points
Lena Dunham says she will leave the country
Cher says she will leave the country
Mylie Cyrus says she will leave the country
Whoopi says she will leave the country
Rosie says she will leave the country
Al Sharpton says he will leave the country
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall
Sounds like the kinda president the US needs!
HELL YEAH!



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