There was this professor of mine who chased me around the department

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Lioness tries a bouncy:

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (49,105 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118749109

There was this professor of mine who chased me around the department calling Obama a war criminal. And people who vote for him as supporting a war criminal. I don't really know what his reasons were, i was just too busy moving away fast and rolling my eyes.

He supports Bernie now, and thinks Trump is the better alternative to Clinton. (for real, i'm not making up this shit). Because at least if Trump is the nominee, liberals will protest wars, whereas if Clinton is the nominee, liberals will ignore the wars she engages in.

I wonder though, if part of the reason traditionally disenfranchised groups (Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, and women in the workforce), support Hillary partly because of this phenomenon, where people who stay above the fray (like Bernie and this professor of mine) can have really pure ideological views, whereas people who have fought for some of us have ended up getting their hands dirty. But we don't hold this so strongly against them because at least they were doing something and making slow change, instead of remaining above the fray and affecting nothing at all.

I'll speak from my vantage of being queer, Bill Clinton did pass DADT and DOMA, but to me these were all incremental improvements over the alternatives. There is no way he could have passed gay marriage or non-discrimination in the army, but DADT was better than a straight up ban and DOMA was better than a constitutional amendment. After DOMA, marriage moved to the states, till enough states had gay marriage that the SC had to rule one way or the other on it.

i'm not saying this explains the whole story, but i wonder if it contributes in part to the differences we see between support for Clinton and Sanders in our communities.

 

BlueMTexpat (7,411 posts)
2. I believe that it does indeed contribute to the differences we see among most Clinton supporters and the most radical Sanders supporters, many of whom seem to be represented on DU and other mostly anonymous internet forums. I also believe that the worst among the most radical are not even Sanders supporters at all, but merely anti-Hillary spoilers. They will drop Sanders like a hot potato in the GE and gravitate to their GOP tendencies.

But I believe that, in real life, more Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters see eye-to-eye about the Big Picture than don't. At least, this is what I have experienced and see in my own family and friends. We recognize that the True Enemy is the GOP and ANY one of its candidates. We will come together to support the Democratic candidate in the GE.

I also sincerely believe that candidate will be Hillary. But if by some incredibly unforeseen circumstance (please not!) she is not the Dem candidate, I will support whoever is. The alternative is simply too awful to contemplate.

Jackie Wilson Said (2,263 posts)
7. Good news. But I think I am finding that many Bernie supporters on this board and out there are not liberals who vote Democratic.

Many of them either dont vote usually, are new to this either due to age or just not caring, or are independents who lean to the right.

I simply have to hope that more of them are actual liberals who by definition would be incapable of sitting out the election.

Number23 (23,402 posts)
8. Your comments about DOMA and DADT represent the exact kind of incrementalism that the fanatics despise. The pragmatism behind your perspective is 100% at odds with the "give me what I want now" ideals of zealots.

And I think that what you're seeing is not necessarily disenfranchised groups (blacks, hispanics, gays, women etc.) supporting Clinton in huge numbers over Sanders. I think that more than anything, we are seeing the TRUE DEMOCRATIC BASE supporting Clinton over Sanders. It was being disenfranchised in the first place that drew all of us to the Democratic Party.

This is in the African-American forum and so won't generate a lot of posts...

[Carl]

In other words the pig pen princess is saying that promise me a 20 and I will ignore everything about you I claim to hate.

Whore.

[USA4ME]

La Lioness Priyanka

Because at least if (Republican) is the President, liberals will protest wars, whereas if Clinton is the president, liberals will ignore the wars she engages in.

Changed some things to make her statement more accurate and more likely to be what the prof was saying. And what he said is true, I can't argue against that. Liberals are way more willing to accept the exact same actions from a Dem they wouldn't from a Republican. Look at how quickly they put down OWS. The media and every Dem/liberal on the planet would have been all over that had it been a R.

We've documented by the primitives own words time and time again that if Gore had done and said the exact same thing Bush did, libs would have praised him. That the left are hypocrites is beyond dispute.

Number23

It was being disenfranchised in the first place that drew all of us to the Democratic Party.

You continue to be disenfranchised, and you align yourselves with the very party that keeps you there. I have no sympathy for those who are too blind to see they're being used and who blindly support their own prison warden.

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Jackie Wilson Said (2,263 posts)
7. Good news. But I think I am finding that many Bernie supporters on this board and out there are not liberals who vote Democratic.

Many of them either dont vote usually, are new to this either due to age or just not caring, or are independents who lean to the right.

 

[GOBUCKS]

An equally big concern is who the democrat vice presidential nominee turns out to be.

Crazy Bernie won't live another four years, and that "cough" may put an end to the Hildebeast before 2020.

The Hildebeast is almost sure to be the nominee, and she's likely to choose a raving nutcase for the VP slot to pacify the Berniebots.

[Chris_]

Crazy Bernie won't live another four years, and that "cough" may put an end to the Hildebeast before 2020.

Too much hot sauce.

[franksolich]

An equally big concern is who the democrat vice presidential nominee turns out to be.

Crazy Bernie won't live another four years, and that "cough" may put an end to the Hildebeast before 2020.

The Hildebeast is almost sure to be the nominee, and she's likely to choose a raving nutcase for the VP slot to pacify the Berniebots.

Right.

I haven't seen any Democrat, liberal, or primitive ask this question, though, or suggest its answer.

It's as if they're purposely ignoring the issue.

<<<am not ignoring the issue.