an open letter to WillyT re: the Wisconsin primary

[franksolich]

Hey WillyT.

Yeah, dude.  It’s me.  Again. 

But at least franksolich has the balls to show his face to the person with whom he’s talking, while we’re all still waiting to see what a guy who turns on his benefactors looks like; I imagine such a disloyal renegade isn’t a pretty sight.

I figured I’d leave you alone, after my good friend Skins booted your ass off of Skins’s island for being such a jerk, ungrateful to those who give you things.  It’s obvious the ouster hurt, because since then you’ve been trying to get back on. 

As good as my good pal Manny’s jackass site is, it’s not Skins’s island, and Skins’s island is the place to be.

So anyway dude, you’re back on Skins’s island again.  And so this open letter’s meant to cover this coming week, the week of the Democrat primary in Wisconsin, Methuselah’s last chance, the old sourassed sourpuss’s last gasp.  I’ll add commentary as that get underway, starting Monday.

In the meantime dude, watch them peanuts.

[GOBUCKS]

A little off topic: Has Wisconsin crying guy (Democracy died tonight!) endorsed the bern?

Or is he a Hildebeast man?

[FiddyBeowulf]

A little off topic: Has Wisconsin crying guy (Democracy died tonight!) endorsed the bern?

Or is he a Hildebeast man?

Good question because the answer could go two ways.
1. Hillary---Supported by the unions and party apparatchik.
or
2. Bernie---Supported by the base who either want free shit or to keep their free shit.

Ultimately he will pull the level for whatever D he is told to support.
 

[franksolich]

Hey WillyT.  Dude.

I know now that you're checking franksolich's comments for my advice and counsel, although I doubt you're taking any of it.

Anyway.  Did you see the remark on another thread here--I disremember which one--where someone described WillyT locked up in a room with Chippendale dancers?  I'm not sure what he meant by that, but whatever. 

I'm getting wired up for the Wisconsin primary tomorrow (Tuesday), WillyT.  The old sourassed sourpuss is expected to win, but one fails to see how it's gonna do him much good., he's so far behind.

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And so we come back to a question you've never bothered to answer, dude, and I think you should.  I think all the Bernie bullies need to answer it, but as you're their leader, you should go first, setting the example.

What in the world made you turn on Messalina Agrippina?

It's like spurning Santa Claus in favor of Ebenezer Scrooge.

Think back to 1992, dude; back in 1992, you guys didn't have nothing, other than the overgenerous social services programs given by Ronald Reagan and the first George Bush to vast Teddy and Tipsy O'Neill, in exchange for different things they (Reagan and Bush) wanted.

(That's politics; one gives and takes.  In case you didn't know that.)

Other than that, you guys had nothing.

And then along came Messalina Agrippina, who during the presidency of her husband, gave you guys all you ever dreamed of getting, and even more.  You got unlimited abortions, you got gay "marriage," you got health care reform, you got America humiliated internationally, you got all those things you wanted.

So where's your gratitude, dude?

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Even though I'm deaf, dude, I can hear you now--"But he's gonna give me more free stuff than she did."

On what do you base that, dude?

Messalina Agrippina has a track record of giving Democrats, liberals, and primitives oodles and oodles of free stuff.

Methuselah's got a track record of.....being righteously indignant about things.

As I already mentioned, dude, you've rejected Santa Claus in favor of Ebenezer Scrooge.

Why?

[franksolich]

Well, Willy, it's 4:30 a.m. out here in the Sandhills of Nebraska, the morning the Wisconsin primary begins.  I got up early as I wanted to watch Methuselah's last hurrah from start to finish; this is going to be the "live thread" for that event, and I suggest you check it every so often.

The old sourassed sourpuss is going to win today, but he's so far behind the worthier candidate it won't help him much.

You're probably confused, dude, about my comparison of Methuselah with Ebenezer Scrooge rather than Santa Claus.  After all, remember that his main attraction to the stupid, the shallow, and the insipid is his promise to give them lots and lots of free stuff.

Well, one can promise all one wants, but that doesn't mean one can deliver.

In the extreme unlikelihood that Methuselah ends up president, remember he has to work with the legislative and judicial branches of government too, in addition to the governors of the fifty states.  There's very little, practically nothing, he can do without the cooperation of some of these entities.

And they may let him get away with giving away some free stuff to freeloaders, but they aren't about to let him get away with giving anything near what his supporters hope.

Messalina Agrippina on the other hand has a track record of dealing with people who think differently from the ways she does; she understands the necessity of compromise and trade-offs.

Trust me, dude; you'd get more free stuff from her than from him.

[franksolich]

You know, Willy, dude, while I was culling through the electoral news this morning, a question that's been bugging me since the beginning kept popping up.

There's a certain issue Bernie bullies have been ignoring, but they're not going to get away with it much longer.

Methuselah's as old as the hills; he's so old he can remember when God was a boy.

The issue of "age" seemed pretty important to Democrats, liberals, and primitives when Ronald Reagan was running for a second term, and even recrudesced when John McCain was running for president.  We don't like the idea of a guy about to totter into the grave being president.

But this issue doesn't seem so important to Bernie bullies now.

If I were an insurance company, I wouldn't dare insure the life of the old sourassed sourpuss, not for any size of premium.  Two reasons: he's ancient, likely to die of natural causes sometime soon, and barring that, well, he's tussling with someone who has friends who take care of people irritating to her (and her husband).

Some fat to chew on there, Willy dude.....

[franksolich]

You know, Willy, while reading this morning’s political news and commentary, I came across an article that might as well have been written by one of yours, nadinbrzezinski, franksolich’s cousin nadin.  Maybe it was; I dunno, as I didn’t save the link.

It described the internecine war going on among Democrats, for control of the party; the old establishment Democrats and the young new insurgents, “outs” who’d never been “in.”

For some reason, dude, your side seems to think you guys are the rebels here, the new ones, the never-empowered ones, while the supporters of Messalina Agrippina are the Old White Man establishment Democrats.

Say what?

I think the Bernie bullies have a rather distorted notion of who, and what, they are, dude.

[franksolich]

Wait.  Whoa.  What?

I just now saw a headline on the Drudge Report, saying Methuselah's leading the worthier candidate in Wisconsin by 2.6%, according to the polls.

The last polls I read showed the old sourassed sourpuss blowing Messalina Agrippina away, by anywhere between 8% and 20%.

Based upon what the Bernie bullies have told me the past few weeks, I'd privately assumed he was going to win better than 2-to-1, by something like 70-30%.

Which wasn't good news, but as mentioned earlier, the old guy's so far behind he can't possibly catch up anyway.

If the race today is this close, I'm revising my projections; rather than a sure Bernie victory, I'm now thinking anything can happen today.

[FiddyBeowulf]

Wait.  Whoa.  What?

I just now saw a headline on the Drudge Report, saying Methuselah's leading the worthier candidate in Wisconsin by 2.6%, according to the polls.

The last polls I read showed the old sourassed sourpuss blowing Messalina Agrippina away, by anywhere between 8% and 20%.

Based upon what the Bernie bullies have told me the past few weeks, I'd privately assumed he was going to win better than 2-to-1, by something like 70-30%.

Which wasn't good news, but as mentioned earlier, the old guy's so far behind he can't possibly catch up anyway.

If the race today is this close, I'm revising my projections; rather than a sure Bernie victory, I'm now thinking anything can happen today.

WI has an open primary. I know at least one Republican who told me he is voting for Hillary just to get Bernie out of the race faster.

[franksolich]

WI has an open primary. I know at least one Republican who told me he is voting for Hillary just to get Bernie out of the race faster.

You know, some are probably wondering why the Democrat race is of so much importance to some of us, as we're definitely not Democrats.

I'm going to support and vote for whoever the Republicans settle upon as their candidate anyway; even though they're all different, I've had no problems with any of them who've presented themselves to us this year.

Okay, that being settled, I got all this spare time on my hands.....

Since my side's already covered, what better way to spend my resources, than helping the other side select the best possible candidate?

Especially since they so obviously need a lot of help.

I can almost hear the cynics and skeptics and primitives insist, "oh, but he's hoping we select the weakest possible candidate so it'll be easier for his side to win."

That's a blatant misrepresentation of franksolich's motives; for the good of America, I'm hoping no such thing.  I'm merely hoping the other side picks its best possible candidate, so no matter who wins the presidency, we got the best that party (the winning party) had to offer.

Primitives have no sense of noblesse oblige; and so when they see it, they don't have the slightest idea what it is.

[GOBUCKS]

WI has an open primary. I know at least one Republican who told me he is voting for Hillary just to get Bernie out of the race faster.

The parties control and decide their primary process, not the state.

Why on earth does any party run an "open" primary?

Millions of scruffy, smelly, ignorant, America-hating losers, the core of the democrat party, are being invited to vote for the Trump nut.

They get the satisfaction of casting a vote against American society, while helping to insure the election of the Hildebeast.

[franksolich]

The parties control and decide their primary process, not the state.

Why on earth does any party run an "open" primary?

Millions of scruffy, smelly, ignorant, America-hating losers, the core of the democrat party, are being invited to vote for the Trump nut.

They get the satisfaction of casting a vote against American society, while helping to insure the election of the Hildebeast.

On your hostility towards open primaries, I agree wholeheartedly.

Only members of a political party should be allowed to determine the candidates for their party.

This "open primary" bit is like Methodists being allowed to determine the policies of the Roman Catholic church, or like men's rights advocates having a say in NOW, the National Organization for Wymmen.

Also, caucuses shouldn't be allowed, elections only.  Caucuses demand a lot of time and trouble, and so only the most diehard activists--generally the most extreme of a group--participate in them, presenting a candidate far to the left of the regular members of the party, who'd just as soon go and vote, and get home in time for supper.

[franksolich]

Something for WillyT to contemplate upon:

If Sanders wins, how much ground does he gain?

Wisconsin is an overwhelmingly white state with a progressive political tradition, so it was no surprise that Senator Bernie Sanders held a modest lead over Hillary Clinton in Democratic polls leading up to the primary.

But Mr. Sanders's overall deficit — he trails Mrs. Clinton by about 230 delegates — is becoming so large that winning only modest victories puts the Democratic nomination farther out of his reach. He needs to win around 57 percent of the outstanding vote to win a majority of pledged delegates. If he falls short of that bar in Wisconsin, his target in later states will be ratcheted up even higher.

Mr. Sanders might still pull off a big win. Barack Obama won the state by 17 points in 2008, after all. But a big win for Mr. Sanders would not necessarily put him on track to win the nomination. Even an overwhelming victory for the senator might only narrow Mrs. Clinton's lead by 20 delegates.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/05/

Too bad for the Bernie bullies.

[BlueStateSaint]

Something for WillyT to contemplate upon:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/05/

Too bad for the Bernie bullies.

While this is true, Frank, I want the Bernouts to keep going right to the convention.  Why?  It'$ very $imple.  The more fund$ that HilLIARy ha$ to u$e now, the fewer that $he ha$ for the general election.

[franksolich]

While this is true, Frank, I want the Bernouts to keep going right to the convention.  Why?  It'$ very $imple.  The more fund$ that HilLIARy ha$ to u$e now, the fewer that $he ha$ for the general election.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to make a point here, sir.

Just because I'm being nice to the supporters of Messalina Agrippina doesn't mean I'll be nice to them after the old guy's ejected from the race.  In fact, after that happens, franksolich'll have to come out all barrels blazing.

But one has to eliminate the lesser party, the Bernie bullies, before going after the big game.

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The glory days of Nebraska and Oklahoma football are now dusty old history, but I look at this presidential race--both parties--the way that ancient football rivalry used to be, back in the days of yore when Nebraska and Oklahoma were the dread terrors of the gridiron.

Oklahoma was a class team, and it was always joy and a privilege for us to play them.

In fact, it was always the biggest game of the year.

I'm looking at the supporters of Messalina Agrippina as if they're Oklahoma.  And they've got a first-class, tip-top, top notch line-up, what with primitives such as brooklynite, the buzzy one, and Wills & Co.  Solid, substantial people, first-rate people of quality, these primitives.

They're the ones we've got to beat; they're the ones we want to beat.

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However, just as in that legendary football rivalry of old, there's another team we've got to beat before we get our crack at the premier one; beat them, and then we're ready for the Big Game.

I look at the Bernie bullies as if they're Missouri.  Once we get by them, the road to Oklahoma's clear.

Now, true, it used to be that Nebraska always beat up on Missouri--generally because being sore losers, Missouri could never win--in my lifetime, I think we defeated Missouri thirty-seven years in a row in one instance.  And there were other "in a row"s, but not quite as long.

But we had to put Missouri in its place, before we could get our crack at Oklahoma.

[franksolich]

More cud on which WillyT needs to chew:

Bernie Sanders is expected to beat Hillary Clinton in the Wisconsin Democratic primary Tuesday, but the only thing that matters is the margin. Without a decisive victory, the outcome will do little to change the trajectory of the race. If he loses, on the other hand, Sanders' already sketchy path to the nomination could vanish entirely.

But recent polls have shown Sanders ahead by, at most, about five percentage points. Sanders said Monday night he expects the race to be "very close."

Democrats award delegates proportionally, so Sanders will need to win big to make a dent in Clinton's 255 pledged delegates lead. That's especially true in Wisconsin, thanks to the way the system uses congressional district to allot Tuesday's haul.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/only-thing-matters-wisconsin-s-democratic-primary-n550836

[GOBUCKS]

Also, caucuses shouldn't be allowed, elections only.  Caucuses demand a lot of time and trouble, and so only the most diehard activists--generally the most extreme of a group--participate in them, presenting a candidate far to the left of the regular members of the party, who'd just as soon go and vote, and get home in time for supper.

I agree about caucuses, but would go further and abolish primaries altogether, in favor of state party conventions to elect delegates to the national convention. For about two hundred years, that system worked to build America into the greatest nation on earth, and in today's vulgar internet political climate it would serve to reduce the influence of the crazies of both sides.

We got along great with no more than a half-dozen state primaries and none of this debate nonsense, but now TV demands a freak show.

[franksolich]

Well, Willy, it's just past 6:00 p.m. in both Wisconsin and the Sandhills of Nebraska; I dunno what time the polls close in Wisconsin, but I assume it's soon.

You know, Willy, this act of ingratitude towards Messalina Agrippina for all the stuff she gave you, surely has to rank as one of the most asshole acts you've ever done in your life.

You might insist you did it because Skippy, the banned NYC_SKP primitive, said about a year, a year and a half ago, that Methuselah was "further left" than the worthier candidate.

We all know how it goes; the "further left" one is, the more the primitives like him, even though the primitives have some rather, uh, ****ed up notions about political ideology.

It's like when your pal the fat boy Odin2005 squeals, "I'm an anarcho-socialist!" when the fat boy has absolutely no idea what an "anarcho-socialist" is.  It just sounds cool to him.

I hate to tell you this, dude, but Skippy lied. 

For those who know political ideology, Messalina Agrippina's just as "left" as the old sourassed sourpuss is, if not more so. 

But really, that's not why you and the Bernie bullies prefer Methuselah; not knowing shit about ideology, all you're interested in is who's going to give you the most free stuff.

[franksolich]

Ol' Willy's probably shitting on pins-and-needles, realizing that his hoped-for free stuff isn't likely to come true.

The polls in Wisconsin close in about twenty minutes.

I checked the current delegate count:

Messalina Agrippina 1,712 (2,383 needed to win)
Methuselah 1,011
uncommitted 158

Wisconsin Democrats get 96 delegates; thus far 5 are committed, all of them to the worthier candidate.

[JakeStyle]

Wow FOX has already called it for the commie.

[franksolich]

Wow FOX has already called it for the commie.

<<<however, remains of good cheer.

[franksolich]

It's now tightening; a five-point difference.

<<<bets WillyT's sweating like a pig in heat.

[franksolich]

Wisconsin gets 96 Democrat delegates.

Thus far, Methuselah's gotten 44 of them, and Messalina Agrippina 33.

WillyT can shove that up his rectal aperture and smoke it.

[JakeStyle]

Wee Willy Pitt showed up to gloat, I thought DU was dead to that gasbag.  http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511655830

[franksolich]

Wee Willy Pitt showed up to gloat, I thought DU was dead to that gasbag.  http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511655830

The guy's an idiot.  As usual.

WilliamPitt (58,150 posts)    Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:50 PM

Heh.
 
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
We don't need no water, let that mother****er
‪#‎Bern‬

Onward.