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Saving the GOP. Maybe.
« on: April 03, 2016, 12:22:09 PM »
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/03/miss-america-gop-bigwig-alex-castellanos-claims-house-speaker-delegates-really-want/

When Tides Recede at Conventions

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Most convention goers, especially unbound delegates, are proud members of the GOP establishment.  They want to avoid conflict that might destroy their party — and their votes will never be as valuable.  If Donald Trump is only a handful or two short of the delegates he needs, it is in both in his interest and also the GOP’s to announce a done deal before the party starts in Ohio.  If he’s close, Republican regulars will mount a serious effort to avoid a battle on the convention floor.

However, if Mr. Trump is one hundred or more votes away from the nomination, it is unlikely he can find the delegates to get the ball in the end zone on the first ballot.  He will turn the ball over on downs though nearly at the goal line.  (OK, no more sports metaphors.)  On the second ballot, he drops 200 or 300 votes or more and starts bleeding.  Ultimately, he bleeds to death on the convention floor — which you think would be good news for the candidate in second place, Senator Sen. Ted Cruz , unless, of course, you’ve met Senator Ted Cruz.

Neither this convention nor the Republican Party wants Ted Cruz as their nominee for President.  Republican regulars suspect that in a general election, he would be Richard Nixon without the charm, Barry Goldwater with diminished powers of attraction.  Cruz, they fear, is the narrowest possible expression of the Republican Party’s appeal and would lead the ticket to slaughter.  It is a testament to the routine occurrence of the impossible this election that the candidate most party regulars initially feared as the worst possible nominee is now their both their runner-up and Miss Congeniality.  If Ted Cruz really wants to win this election, he should buy a disguise and stop campaigning until Christmas.  Perhaps Senator Cruz has also figured that out:  His lead has grown in Wisconsin as he has ducked FOX’s Sean Hannity offer to give him an hour of free television for 10 straight days.

Senator Cruz has no value beyond being an alternative to Donald Trump.  If Trump collapses, the need for Ted Cruz evaporates, so Cruz is at risk of collapsing, too.  Senator Cruz is the unpleasant medicine the Republican Party is willing to swallow when it is sick, but not when it is feeling healthier.  As Donald Trump backs out of the convention hall, Cruz is likely to get a run but then fall short, which gives John Kasich his moment.  If Trump begins to lose altitude, the convention is likely to turn to Mr. Kasich, an experienced Governor with a solid conservative record and the strongest showing in general election polls against Hillary Clinton.  And yet….

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If GOP delegates start looking for an alternative to both Trump and Senator Cruz, why settle for Miss Ohio when you could marry Miss America?  Why not wipe the slate clean and go for what delegates really want, the Republican Speaker?  Former Vice-Presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan is a larger political figure.  He has national experience and appeal.  The Speaker has also managed to bring together unruly Republicans in the House, the Capitol’s hotbed of insurrection.  Most importantly, he is a fresher face, a new and more promising generation of Republican.  He would have a better shot at uniting the Republican Party.

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Would Ryan take the nomination?  Would he accept a better-than-even shot at being handed the leadership of the free world?  Republican can pray.  It doesn’t hurt that the House Speaker made this speech last week calling for Party unity and setting himself up as the alternative to Donald Trump.  As Ryan said, “This is the system our Founders envisioned. It’s messy. It’s complicated. It’s infuriating at times. And it’s a beautiful thing, too.”

And what about Donald Trump?  Does he take the olive branch the convention will inevitably extend to him?  Trump’s threats and bluster have value only before the deal is done.  After a nominee is chosen, executing his threats brings him nothing.  Instead, a gracious exit would be a boon to the two things he seems to love most, his children and his brand, which is lifeblood of the business he is leaving them.
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Re: Saving the GOP. Maybe.
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2016, 01:21:15 PM »
Breitbart is dead wrong about Republicans not wanting Cruz.

Normal people who vote R want Cruz. It's the RNC and the GOPe that fear and loathe him.

Breitbart is erroneously projecting the fears of the likes of McConnell and Ryan onto the GOP voting body.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2016, 04:46:37 PM »
If they dump the people who actually ran for the office and put a RINO in their place...

I am sitting out the election. My party will have committed suicide. It's over. I will be an indy voter from now on. I want to for for someone, not the lesser of two evils.

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2016, 06:38:49 PM »
If they dump the people who actually ran for the office and put a RINO in their place...

I am sitting out the election. My party will have committed suicide. It's over. I will be an indy voter from now on. I want to for for someone, not the lesser of two evils.

To parphrase Ronald Reagan, you didn't leave the GOP. The GOP left you. And, if this happens, you'll not be the only one.
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2016, 06:39:12 PM »
If they dump the people who actually ran for the office and put a RINO in their place...

I am sitting out the election. My party will have committed suicide. It's over. I will be an indy voter from now on. I want to for for someone, not the lesser of two evils.

Millions feel the same way, I bet. If it doesn't go to Trump or Cruz, then they had better at least go for Rubio. Anyone further down the list or not on the list guarantees a Madame President.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2016, 08:53:25 AM »
It is getting to the point now that I think no matter who gets the nomination the butthurt (and I include myself in that) is so bad that neither Trump or Cruz will likely win come November. It is almost like I hope Cruz just barely loses to a brokered convention so Trump will go down in flames instead of Cruz come November. 

Sad, but yeah, just being honest on what I think is lining up. Been wrong before, will again, but if I was a betting man.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2016, 07:45:24 PM »
Breitbart is in the tank for Trump from the beginning. That's why they did not back Michelle Fields. They sold their soul to Trump.

How Breitbart survives after this I don't know. Who will want to work for an organization that will stab them in the back ?
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2016, 07:57:59 PM »
It is getting to the point now that I think no matter who gets the nomination the butthurt (and I include myself in that) is so bad that neither Trump or Cruz will likely win come November. It is almost like I hope Cruz just barely loses to a brokered convention so Trump will go down in flames instead of Cruz come November. 

Sad, but yeah, just being honest on what I think is lining up. Been wrong before, will again, but if I was a betting man.
In a debate:

At least Cruz can think on his feet.

Trump on the other hand, Is he going to say; "lying Hillary", "low energy Hillary", or "ugly Hillary....just look at that face", or "fat Hillary" (I'd really like to hear that one  :lmao:).

Yeah, Hillary is just going to B-S as high as she can pile it but looks like the average voter these days will fall for anything....sad to say.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2016, 10:09:50 PM »
Millions feel the same way, I bet. If it doesn't go to Trump or Cruz, then they had better at least go for Rubio. Anyone further down the list or not on the list guarantees a Madame President.
I think they have already guaranteed Madame President.

My favorite recent Trumpism is his vow to eliminate the national debt ($19 trillion).

There is no doubt in my mind the moron does not know the difference between the national debt and the budget deficit.

Next thing you know, he'll declare that he'll force Mexico to pay off our national debt.

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Re: Saving the GOP. Maybe.
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2016, 07:54:53 AM »
I think they have already guaranteed Madame President.

My favorite recent Trumpism is his vow to eliminate the national debt ($19 trillion).

There is no doubt in my mind the moron does not know the difference between the national debt and the budget deficit.

Next thing you know, he'll declare that he'll force Mexico to pay off our national debt.
Someone ran the numbers. To do what Trump wants to do to eliminate the debt he would need to basically double the entire US economy in eight years. Keep in mind Trump says we are headed for a recession at the same time he wants to grow (double) the economy.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 10:15:08 AM »
Someone ran the numbers. To do what Trump wants to do to eliminate the debt he would need to basically double the entire US economy in eight years. Keep in mind Trump says we are headed for a recession at the same time he wants to grow (double) the economy.

The only way to "eliminate the national debt" in less than a generation is to default on some or all of it; essentially to declare bankruptcy.

So much for "full faith and credit of the United States".
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Re: Saving the GOP. Maybe.
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 03:27:58 PM »
I'm not sure that it should be saved.




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