1StrongBlackMan (28,270 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118746748
Question: If someone offends your brother/sister what claim do you have to an apology that satisfies you?
Oh, you know what this is about, you white privileged racist bastards!
1StrongBlackMan (28,270 posts)
4. Thanks ...
I ask the question because of reception Bravenak's apology thread received; but more, a hide I received as a result.
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It certainly seems to me that the self-admitted zombie troll 1SBM is doubling-down on the very same anti-semitic bullshit that Bravenak is ostensibly apologizing for in her OP. Bear in mind, 1SBM has admitted he formerly posted here under a different name, and that user name was tombstoned back on DU2. Word around the campfire is that his former identity here was HamdenRice, and a cursory search through DU2's user profiles tells us that HamdenRice was, in fact, tombstoned for anti-semitism, as well as homophobic posts and whatnot.. enough is enough with these trolls, please.
If one looks through the thread (ignoring the personal nature of the alert ... I am not the tombstoned DUer, HamdenRice, no matter what, or how many times, the anonymous alerting coward says) you find a bunch of folks offended, just outraged, by Bravenak's comment and unwilling to accept her apology ... despite the fact that they were not the group to whom the apology was offered.
Those ****ing white rich bigoted JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bastards!
GeoWilliam750 (527 posts)
14. So many of the people on that thread
Do not want an apology. They want abject submission, and a complete silencing of Bravenak - a very public humiliation where THEY can be proven to be superior to her. NOTHING will ever satisfy them.
As I recall, so much of the flame war around this goes back to the BLM demonstration at a Bernie rally last year. Some Bernie supporters were tremendously indignant that these two black women had the temerity to go up on stage during a Bernie rally, thus preventing him from speaking that day. The posts were outraged that they interrupt some one who was so plainly acting in the interest of black people. It reeked of calling them "uppity" - really short-sighted and ignorant on their part.
Bravenak tried to help them see the world from her point of view - then was insulted, belittled, berated, humiliated for her troubles, and effectively told how and what she should think. It was so sad, foolish, condescending (and racist, really) on their part. It was anything but a lesson in Dale Carnegie.
It would seem that when really smart people have a much different opinion or point of view, it is best to listen to them, although not always easy to do, and Bernie's supporters really need to listen to both you and Bravenak. We have much to learn from both of you - and so many others. One learns nothing from those with whom we completely agree, we most commonly learn more from those with whom we disagree.
I would like to think that so many of those people are just trolls, but I am afraid that a large number are not. So much of politics is affirmation and domination, and we need grow beyond this.
Also, non-sequitor, Bravenak, if you read this, a while back you took a maths test. How did it go?
1StrongBlackMan (28,270 posts)
19. If I recall, HamdenRice was a causalty of the DU Prop. 8 wars purges.
Number23 (23,104 posts)
25. "Word around the campfire" I think they meant "burning cross fire"
you find a bunch of folks offended, just outraged, by Bravenak's comment and unwilling to accept her apology ... despite the fact that they were not the group to whom the apology was offered.
Why the hell would that matter to people neck deep in a witch hunt?
Stand by, kids... I am getting a message that we have a JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bouncy story coming up...
Star Member ismnotwasm (26,409 posts)
10. Let me tell a story
My husband is a grandchild of the Jewish Diaspora. His father was well into his 50's when he had him--old enough to have fought in WW2. With a German accent. He died when my husband was 14, died of alcoholism, chain smoking and PTSD. By all accounts, he was a decent man. My husband, now well into his 50's (so born in the early 1960s) himself has grieved all life for the early loss of his father, and for the loss of culture and religious connection the diaspora stole from him. His two brothers--both racist shits, ignore that part of them. My husband wants to be genetically tested to find out who he is via ancestry. One time, I remember a friend of ours, the kind of friend who can tell on joke after the other started on "Jew" jokes. My husband let him get to about five of them, and said, "you know I'm Jewish, right?" Much awkward apologizing ensued
So I put your question to him, because there is more to the story. At one time, before we ever met, my husband was a racist shit himself. It took one heartfelt conversation with a angry Native American friend to change him--the telling of which would make this story far too long. Let's just say my husband agreed to stop saying racist shit about black people and our NA friend agreed to hating white people as far as he could.
My husband says a honest and heartfelt apology, especially one that takes courage to make, in the face of adversity cleans your side of the street, the side we are responsible for. By Accepting that apology, that cleans the side of the street of the offended. Not making an apology when called for and not accepting it because of falsity make for filthy mental streets.
Almost a perfect bouncy.... no cops, no bushes, no cheering crowds though...
1StrongBlackMan (28,270 posts)
13. This is the DU I joined and loved.
oh, STFU, negro! Damn. Spoiled it.
Jackie Wilson Said (849 posts)
15. I believe most Jewish people reading Bravenak's initial comment and then apology, would forgive
her, and some wont and that is their right.
I think most who wont accept her apology are not Jewish and are the same ones who have no time for BLM until they are doing what they want them to.
In other words, they use either group for their end game.
