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Offline dutch508

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Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: March 11, 2016, 09:06:46 AM »
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Physicist Richard Fynman: "If it disagrees with experiment, it's wrong, and that simple statement is the key to science."

Jonathan Cole demonstrates with two experiments using physical models of the WTC towers why the NIST/Bazant theory that the WTC 1 & 2, collapses were solely gravity driven is unscientific and cannot explain the downward acceleration of the collapse front observed in the destruction of the two towers.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00[/youtube]

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2. If an experiment doesn't agree with reality, it's wrong

Cole claims to be an engineer, yet apparently doesn't understand anything about scaling or strength of materials, doesn't know what failure modes occurred in the towers and why he failed to model them, and doesn't understand the NIST report or the Bazant energy analysis. Cole's faulty experiments would predict that Vérinage demolitions are impossible, and yet the real world proves him wrong:

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14. Jonathan Cole is a sewer engineer

... which is ironically appropriate to be one of Gage's "experts," but he is manifestly clueless about the physics of scale. He wraps his experiments in technical jargon, but for actually demonstrating what he claims they demonstrate, they're as idiotic as Spooked911's infamous bunny cage. You've been given the reason and the proof, and you ignore both.

This stuff is simply not that complicated, wildbill. As long as you continue to think that physics are just a matter of subjective opinion and/or that Gage's "experts" know what they're talking about, you will never understand why the "truth movement" is treated as a joke in the technical community.

(By the way, 2470, huh? It appears that 2015 was Gage's worse year ever for new signatures, and apparently the signatures he claimed from two big conferences never materialized. But again, the number of signatures wouldn't really matter much if just ONE of them had technical arguments that weren't bullshit.)

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William Seger=what again?

Well, in 1972 I was a structural draftsman in an A&E office when the Skyline Towers collapsed in exactly the way that Cole claims is impossible. That alone means that, today, William Seger=someone who knows Cole is full of shit.

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Thanks for posting. K & r.
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2016, 09:20:15 AM »
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Thanks for posting. K & r.

And the ignorant are gonna be ignorant.
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2016, 10:54:06 AM »
That "experiment" ranked a little higher than the chicken wire and cinder block one. :rofl:
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 11:23:46 AM »
This is why normal people laugh at you hamburger heads.
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 02:42:25 PM »
On 9/11/01 I was on the phone with family, who had a structural engineer visiting from overseas.  She predicted the collapse and the manner thereof based on her assessment of visible crash damage.

Because of this I was forever immunized against competing theories, especially those which would require wiring up explosives when nobody was looking in buildings that were occupied to some extent around the clock.

(Phillipe Petit would not have been able to pull off his stunt if the buildings were actually completed and fully rented.  They were still under interior construction and even then had security guards walking around.  Imagine a team of demo guys running around under those conditions! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walk_%282015_film%29 )
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 05:36:28 PM »
Nothing pisses me off more than this stupid shit! Having many friends and family directly observing what happen I want to to choke these assholes!
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 09:44:13 PM »
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Physicist Richard Fynman: "If it disagrees with experiment, it's wrong, and that simple statement is the key to science."

......except when it disagrees with the Narrative.
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2016, 09:45:33 PM »
Quote from: catsmtrods on March 11, 2016, 05:36:28 PM
Nothing pisses me off more than this stupid shit! Having many friends and family directly observing what happen I want to to choke these assholes!

It's a long line.....
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Re: Better than Chicken Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2016, 09:53:00 PM »
Quote from: FlaGator on March 11, 2016, 09:20:15 AM
And the ignorant are gonna be ignorant.

Or stupid is as stupid does.
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