MowCowWhoHow III (884 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141372444
American tourist killed in Tel Aviv attack: Israeli police
this should go well.
iandhr (5,760 posts)
1. These stabbings are terrorism.
But I am sure some of the usual suspects will be around here shortly to justify this.
SoCalMusicLover (1,141 posts)
35. Different In One Way. Had it been here in the good 'ol 2nd Amendment U.S.A., he would have had his choice of firearm(s), and could have raised the death count plenty.
Israelis have more guns per person than California, btw.
6chars (2,714 posts)
4. this was a Palestinian gesture for Biden
At the time of the murder, Biden was meeting with Shimon Peres at the Peres Peace Center a mile away Jaffa.
6chars (2,714 posts)
50. State department takes a "balanced" approach
"We continue to encourage all parties to take affirmative steps to reduce tensions and restore calm"
Jesus H. Christ, the victim here was a US Veteran who served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't want to get all military rah rah, but I would really like to see the White House say something a little stronger.
Bad Dog (594 posts)
22. I've posted a list of all the dead. You can see for yourself.
Most Palestinians were killed during demonstrations and the facts behind a lot of the "terrorist" killings are disputed. This is the effect, the cause is the occupation and the illegal settlements.
As I've said before it's a load of senseless deaths all round, and most of the deaths are Palestinian.
Bad Dog is pro-Pali and blames Israel for murdering poor innocent Pals.
leftynyc (18,176 posts)
16. What crap
The Palestinians have been on a stabbing spree for almost a year already. If there nothing someone wont find a ****ing excuse for if it trashes Israel? Apparently not.
Fast Walker 52 (1,624 posts)
18. the sad fact is this is how desperate the Palestinians are
they are fighting a modern police state with knives.
The Palestinians have tried everything, including non-violent protests, but their rights are trampled every day, in so many ways. Israel is reaping what they sowed.
A police state? Democratic government, Allows all forms of Religion within it's borders, allows gays to live freely without throwing them off buildings, Women can vote, drive, wear bikinis... that's a police state.
King_David (13,970 posts)
34. It's a tiny minority of Americans that are so anti Israel
and every last one of them are here on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=125462
As well as the extreme minority left here's also a contingent of far right wing Americans that are extremely anti Israel , witness the David Duke crowd.
iandhr (5,760 posts)
30. The new far left loves Hamas
The rise of the leftist Jeremy Corbyn to the leadership of Britain’s opposition Labour Party appears to have empowered a far left for whom support of the Palestinians is uncritical and for whom, in the words of Alan Johnson, a British political theorist, “that which the demonological Jew once was, demonological Israel now is.â€
Corbyn is no anti-Semite. But he has called Hamas and Hezbollah agents of “long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region,†and once invited to Parliament a Palestinian Islamist, Raed Salah, who has suggested Jews were absent from the World Trade Center on 9/11. Corbyn called him an “honored citizen.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/an-anti-semitism-of-the-left.html?_r=0
iandhr (5,760 posts)
27. Yes yes yes....
People who call for the blog of martyrs are non-violent, people who randomly stab civilians in the street are non violent, people who launch rockets at civilians are non-violent. These people believe that by killing Jews they will get into heaven and they need to be dealt with.
I am not surprised to see DU's Hamas fan club out in full force.
Marrah_G (27,955 posts)
54. It's always close to 10 Palestinians for each Israeli.
Bad Dog (594 posts)
32. It's a mystery all right.
Why are so many disaffected young people turning to fundamentalist Islam when democratic, moderate opposition has achieved so much. Mahmoud Abbas has stopped the building of illegal settlements and the Palestinians can go about their business without being harassed by the IDF. The success of the Libyan Free Army has ensured a Democratic Utopia now exist in Syria, and Egypt is a now a Democracy no longer ruled by a dictator.
Why on Earth would anyone embrace fundamentalism and terrorism when the moderates have achieved so much?
Bad Dog (594 posts)
57. Because what Hamas says is far worse than what the IDF does.
Hamas' Charter calls for the elimination of the State of Israel, not the Jews, and it's largely rhetorical. The Ulster Unionists found Sinn Fein's position on a United Ireland just as problematic. If we'd insisted Sinn Fein drop it, the Troubles would still be ongoing.
Hamas are quite prepared to call long term cease fires up to 20 years. After 20 years of peace people aren't going to want to turn back. Look how isolated the few dissident Republicans in Northern Ireland are now even though Sinn Fein hasn't altered its position in any way.
Netanyahu is using Hamas' Charter as an excuse to create facts on the ground, increase illegal settlement building and the destruction of Palestinian homes. That's what's happening right now. Hamas were initially funded by the State of Israel in the first place in order to destabilise Fatah and split the Palestinians. Hamas at least, like Sinn Fein, can be negotiated with, the alternative is to let IS linked groups like Islamic Jihad take over.
The only viable solution is to sit down and talk to all parties including Hamas. Unfortunately the last Israeli leader brave enough to embrace peace, Yitzhak Rabin, was murdered by Israeli terrorists. And Netanyahu has never been interested in peace.
And that is why Northern Ireland is relatively peaceful and economically viable whilst Israel/Palestine is a mess. Only the occupier can stop the occupation.
King_David (13,970 posts)
66. The whole post is rubbish,
Hamas is a Jew and Gay hating terrorist organization ,and talks about Jews not Israelis ,and to see someone defending this antiZionist, antisemitic,homophobic hate group here on DU ( a Democratic Party supporting website) is disgraceful.
Bad Dog (594 posts)
82. Only the occupier can stop the occupation.
Name calling isn't a one way street. I've already posted a link to racist graffiti daubed on Palestinian homes in Hebron.
Hamas has observed several cease fires all of which have been broken by Israel.
The one who isn't remotely interested in peace is Netanyahu, that's why he's creating facts on the ground by continuing to build illegal settlements.
Making peace requires talking to people you don't like. We did it in Northern Ireland. The only reason it's not happening in Israel is because Netanyahu thinks he can get more the way things are. The last Israeli leader who was serious about peace was Yitzhak Rabin which is why he was murdered by Israeli terrorists.
Don't try to justify the brutality of the occupation by blaming the Palestinians. It doesn't wash.
Bradical79 (1,586 posts)
71. Confused by the BBC article
Is the stabbing related to the other attacks? Is it all thought to be coordinated or result/reaction of something?
