Black Lives Matter Protests Hillary Clinton a 2-fer from the AA forum

[dutch508]

First up:

JI7 (54,880 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118742536

Black Lives Matter Protests Hillary Clinton


hopefully there are no conspiracy theories with this . i expect to see more of this as we get into the national campaign and clinton is likely to be the nominee. i think most here said this was going to happen. the secret service makes it tougher to protest her but this was a private event which made it easier once they got in.


<A Black Lives Matter activist disrupted a private event featuring Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Wednesday and confronted her regarding her past support for policies that enabled mass incarceration, the Huffington Post reported.

Footage from the event shows Ashley Williams stand behind the former secretary of state and hold up a towel bearing the statement, “we have to bring them to heel,” a remark Clinton made in 1996 in support of the Violent Crime Control Act regarding gang members, who she also described as “super-predators.”

After Clinton turns around and reads the sign, Williams tells her, “We want you to apologize for mass incarceration. I am not a ‘super-predator,’ Hillary Clinton. Will you apologize to black people for mass incarceration?”

“Can I talk?” Clinton replies, before continuing her speech as a Secret Service agent attempts to convince Williams to leave.

Event attendees can be heard behind Williams calling her “rude.” However, she continues to press Clinton, telling her, “Please explain it to us. You owe black people an apology.”

“You know what? Nobody’s ever asked me before,” Clinton responds as another agent takes Williams by the waist and leads her away. “You’re the first person to ask me, and I am happy to address it. But you are the first person to ask me.”>



https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/black-lives-matter-activist-confronts-clinton-over-mass-incarceration-i-am-not-a-super-predator/

 

and second:

FrenchieCat (68,138 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118742618

NO Ashley Williams, you are NOT a Superpredator


Dear Ashley Williams,

I personally thank you for your work and your activism, as it is making a difference.

20+ years ago, this country was experiencing major issues of drug and gang violence. It was in the era of crack cocaine, drug cartels, and gangs selling drugs on the city streets. It created violent havoc in many urban neighborhoods all around America. Children could barely walk to school, or sleep in their own beds without bullets whizzing by their bedroom windows or coming through their walls. The neighborhoods were not safe for those who had no where else to go. Parents residing in the most violent areas were deeply worried and feeling helpless, and young children were traumatized and scared.

I remember clearly how the local and national media sensationalized these crime incidents, and helped promote more fear in the citizenry who did not live in those neighborhoods. The various networks promoted day in, day out, that what was needed were get-tough-on-crime policies. With GOP and Reporters labeling Democrats as "Soft on Crime". Republican politicians, who held both chambers of congress, partnered with the media to mold public opinion into making the entire country believe that it was going to hell in a hand basket, and then some. Yes, and as you know, this country was racist then, as it is still racist now.

Were Superpredators anyone but gang members and drug dealers who were committing crimes such as robberies, car jacking, drive byes and shootings? Well my recollection as a 36 year old wife and mother then, is that, that is who they were. I was raising my own young Black family, living in West Oakland, California. I will add that I was fortunate enough not to live in the areas that most suffered the violence. But I did work in an East Oakland neighborhood on 35th Avenue and East 14th St., now MLK Avenue. I saw the neighborhood people that hung out in the street, as they transformed a little more everyday. I specifically remember one young woman, seemingly healthy and youthful one minute, shockingly turn into an old and damaged addict in just a few short months. Those were the times as they were.

That is why I know that you are not a Superpredator, nor have you ever been.

You are not a gang member nor a drug dealer. you are most likely a student, and a passionate young Black Activist wanting some answers, that is what I believe. Someone sickened and enraged at having to watch racial social injustice unfold, that more can now clearly see. My own daughter was on the ground at Ferguson, MO, from day one. She organized protests of the workhouse jails there. I witnessed her passion grow with each passing day. I even attended a meeting with her of an activist planning session while I was in St. Louis visiting.

I am simply answering the question you asked Hillary Clinton last night, although I'm sure she will answer you herself as well.

Now, let us ask about this crime bill passed into law in 1994.

Was that Crime Bill that President Bill Clinton signed, after two vetoes, a good bill? No it wasn’t.
Did it do far more damage than any good? Yes it certainly did, and time has told that story.

Did Bill Clinton apologize for signing this bill into law? Yes, he did.
Was that enough? Most likely not.

Did numerous legislators on both sides of the aisle vote for it? Yes they did.
Did Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders vote for it? Yes, he did.
Did he apologize for it? If he hasn't, he should.
Did Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton promote the bill? Yes, she did.
Did she apologize for that? If she hasn't, she should.

No matter how small or large anyone's role was in it, yes, they should all apologize,
to all of those many negatively affected over these years.

And furthermore, those running for office should have solid and sound criminal justice reforms as part of their platform, done in a way to insure that the wrongs from the past continue to be corrected.

And to be honest, the others that share the blame and need protesting against, is our News Media.
They were chief collaborators in the sensationalizing of various crime events at that time, and were the ones responsible to shape public opinion.

Not only did the local and national media sensationalize crime incidents, but they had the duty and the opportunity
to ask several important questions about the crime wave, that they were frightening people about. But the media never did ask these questions and instead helped promote tough crime policies. They are AS responsible as everyone else, so I pray that the BLM shows up in newsrooms. Because if they are exempted, they will have learned nothing at all for their part.

So in a sense, many more are guilty than are raising their hands, because this was done as a nation, and it was done in our name.


Respectfully,

A Black Hillary Clinton Supporter

[yawn]

Kind of Blue (6,294 posts)
12. "this was done as a nation, and it was done in our name."

Yes! I lived during those times as a young woman in D.C. and we were scared. We were pushing our black Congress people to do Something. The prevailing thought was the crime should continously grow and we should kill each other. I remember it wasn't just black gangs but, believe it or not, the Russian mob dealing and supplying arms in the U.S. to gangs There were so many bad guys, including the police mowing people in cruisers down and killing innocent bystanders with impunity until we protested that and stopped it. It was a mess with and I remember more Dems voted for the bill, including most of our black leaders, than Republicans.

And they should all apologize, as you've said in this brilliant piece, because there absolutely no clean hands where this is concerned.

Thanks for writing this. Perspective is always necessary.

Oh, bullshit.

Warpy (86,621 posts)
1. Good question for all candidates especially since the War on Drugs is the excuse for locking up enough black men that the white male ruling class wouldn't be unduly inconvenienced by the Civil Rights Acts.

 

Uponthegears (371 posts)
15. It's an America problem

Straight up, I'm a Bernie supporter BUT it has ZERO to do with his racial justice policies OR with Hillary's racial justice policies. The day I count on folks that look like them to protect, or even understand, me or mine is the day I put myself under the yoke.

We see it here, even confronting a bright flower of racism that can be seen from a mile off like the so-called "War on Drugs" creates a "controversy." What's worse, when our "supporters" start to talk about it, their discussion is infected with stereotypes of "our problems" and "what they can do to help."

Speaking for myself, you know what I would like to see as a starting point? How about America admit that what they call "our problems" are actually exactly what they want them to be and what they intentionally created. They create gangs, unemployment, crime, violence, misogyny, drug addiction, academic "failing," broken families, etc. AND they concentrate those "problems" in little pockets where they can point to them and simultaneously justify how they demonize, pity, or otherwise lord over us as a race (their justification for everything from the war on drugs to the insane proliferation of "self-protection" gun ownership, to capital punishment) while making sure that those "problems" only rarely diminish THEIR lives. What's more, when pointing to these pockets they ignore the FACT that, despite their best efforts, the vast majority (and not only those of us who make the front page of the paper getting some medal) have not just overcome, we have excelled.

Quit talking about "our problems" . . . talk about yours.

 

[thundley4]

20+ years ago, this country was experiencing major issues of drug and gang violence. It was in the era of crack cocaine, drug cartels, and gangs selling drugs on the city streets. It created violent havoc in many urban neighborhoods all around America. Children could barely walk to school, or sleep in their own beds without bullets whizzing by their bedroom windows or coming through their walls.

There have been 85 shooting homicides in Chicago and 99 total homicides since January 1, 2016. Nothing has changed in the black culture, except for getting more violent and more subsidized by welfare.

[Mr Mannn]

There have been 85 shooting homicides in Chicago and 99 total homicides since January 1, 2016. Nothing has changed in the black culture, except for getting more violent and more subsidized by welfare.

one quote deserves another

Luke 6:42
Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

[USA4ME]

Uponthegears

They create gangs, unemployment, crime, violence, misogyny, drug addiction, academic "failing," broken families, etc. AND they concentrate those "problems" in little pockets where they can point to them and simultaneously justify how they demonize, pity, or otherwise lord over us as a race (their justification for everything from the war on drugs to the insane proliferation of "self-protection" gun ownership, to capital punishment) while making sure that those "problems" only rarely diminish THEIR lives.

If by "they" you mean the Democrat party uses these things to keep you voting for them, then you'd be on the right track to understanding what's going on.

What's more, when pointing to these pockets they ignore the FACT that, despite their best efforts, the vast majority (and not only those of us who make the front page of the paper getting some medal) have not just overcome, we have excelled.

..., he says from the ghetto.

Sorry son, but as long as you continue to vote for Dems, they're going to continue to use you. I've reached the conclusion that you want to be used and abused or you would have quit voting for Dems a long time ago.

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[tuolumnejim]

Ouch, crimetown Kev comes down hard on hitlery. 

Chitown Kev (1,403 posts)
5. and all of them can simply go and **** themselves, seriously

it's all about their little candidate and we are just votes to them.

And that goes for the supporters of both candidates...

and as for Miss Scarlett O'Hillary here...