Our expectations are really low. Nads

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nadinbrzezinski (144,697 posts)

Our expectations are really low


yesterday I had a very civil discussion with Recurison about jobs, (It had to to do with the race, but this is a far more general thing) And one of the things that struck me is that when factory jobs are mentioned, he went immediately to 25 cents a day in Bangladesh. First off, I think it is time to raise the pay in Bangladesh to a living wage, but that is another kettle of fish.

Good union jobs in the US are service jobs... ok currently they are likely the best we can do because we have become a low wage economy thanks to things like NAFTA, Trickle down and the deindustrialization of the country. Ok fine. how about good union jobs like FABER CASTELL in Germany? You know they still have a middle class over there.

How about Bugatti in Italy?

We have been propagandized to the point that we are willing to be satisfied with 15 dollar an hour jobs., and consider that great, when we used to have regularly 25 and 30 dollar jobs (in 1980 dollars).

Until Americans have had it with a low wage economy, the third way will continue to win this war. There is one, and the very wealthy are winning, Income innequality requires people to have an imagination and aspirations of a better life, and be willing to fight for it, and not be satisfied with low pay jobs.

And by the way, this is a union household, we love unions, but also unions have to have a wider view and demand far more.

Kettle of fish? 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027633281

[Carl]

I just can`t wrap my mind around the contradiction of wanting every job to pay top dollar on one hand but then demand virtually every want to be free or nearly free on the other.

[GOBUCKS]

People like nadin, and Trump, and other anti-American class-warfare DUmmies keep going on and on about how all the good jobs are gone, there's no middle class anymore, it's just a tiny sliver of elites and everyone else is in poverty, the American dream is dead, and on, and on. The only answer is to destroy the "establishment" and start over with "outsiders" in charge of everything. Sounds like a Chavez campaign.

But here in red state hell, the heart of what these idiots consider the most backward region on the continent, I drive past miles of four-and five-bedroom new homes on landscaped lots, that are being bought and sold like hotcakes. Where we had two hotels now we have dozens. Ten-story brick office buildings are springing up like toadstools. Restaurants with thirty-dollar entrees have an hour wait. Rush hour gets more congested every year. Who are all these hundreds of thousands of people? How can so many people live so well for so long in this terrible, failing, corrupt country?

I'm puzzled when I hear nadin and Trump and the other DUmmies talk about what a mess this country is. It looks pretty damn good from here in red state hell.

[FlippyDoo]

Since The Nads has a big time "newspaper" I challenge her to actually hire an employee (maybe a copy editor?) and pay said employee 25 to 30 dollars per hour.

[SVPete]

Since The Nads has a big time "newspaper" I challenge her to actually hire an employee (maybe a copy editor?) and pay said employee 25 to 30 dollars per hour.

Unions have worked so well for all those employees at the NYT and Boston Globe, right? The ones who survived the layoffs ... not the ex-employees cooking the survivors' burgers and fries ...

  And nads knows what a "living wage" is in Bangladesh?

[Big Dog]

gNads

First off, I think it is time to raise the pay in Bangladesh to a living wage, but that is another kettle of fish. 

How are you and your kettle of fish going to raise the pay in Bangladesh?

[BamaMoose]

If Nads wants to see the poster boy for low expectations she only needs to look at her husband.

[98ZJUSMC]

NAFTA, Clinton Trickle down Coined during the rule of the FDR Junta and the deindustrialization Due to ridiculously overzealous environmental policy by the Left of the country.

Shut up. blob.

gNads

First off, I think it is time to raise the pay in Bangladesh to a living wage, but that is another kettle of fish.

Do what?   

How are you and your kettle of fish going to raise the pay in Bangladesh?

I'm sure that the thought proce-  uhhh, never mind....   

[fatboy]

If Nads wants to see the poster boy for low expectations she only needs to look at her husband.

H5!

[FlaGator]

Once again she shows that libs don't understand that employers will pay what the market will bear. When the only jobs available are service industry jobs that require little skill then pay is not very high. The more people capable of filling a position means the lower the pay will be. If the supply of potential workers is low then even service industry jobs pay more than usual because they have to entice people to work for them over someone else.

In the current Obama driven economy the government has assumed the role of provider to a large class of people. More people on welfare who are comfortable living on welfare mean less people in the work force. However, with the decline in high paying jobs people who were once able to get a job in manufacturing or what have you have to take jobs in the lower paying service industry. This influx keeps pay low in the service industry

The root of the issue with the decline in high paying jobs is that the government has taxing and over regulating the good paying jobs out of the country and Americans who would have filled those positions now take lower paying jobs. With the influx of unskilled aliens coming in to the country by the millions will only make this worse.

To make matters worse an unrealistic minimum wage is forced on employers who have to raise prices, reduce staff, eliminate benefits and redesign services in order to stay afloat. In the end people have to get their own benefits. As for healthcare they are forced to buy it using any extra cash they may have gained from the new minimum wage. Forced to buy policies that they cannot afford to use once they have them.

When you look at all this (and this is just the tip of the iceberg) liberal policy is insane and self defeating. In order to create a world that everyone can live in they have made a world that no one can live it... but the road to hell is paved with good intentions (and insane philosophies).

[Karin]

How are you and your kettle of fish going to raise the pay in Bangladesh?

Dear Bangladesh:

I don't expect you to know this, but your wages are too loo.  I demand you raise them, or else me and my keetle of fishe will expoose you in the paer that I run. 

Nadin

[Big Dog]

Dear Bangladesh:

I don't expect you to know this, but your wages are too loo.  I demand you raise them, or else me and my keetle of fishe will expoose you in the paer that I run. 

Nadin

 

[USA4ME]

Dear Bangladesh:

I don't expect you to know this, but your wages are too loo.  I demand you raise them, or else me and my keetle of fishe will expoose you in the paer that I run. 

Nadin

Very good!

I only suggest that you somehow work in the phrase "suffice it to say..." into the post.

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[Patriot Guard Rider]

Unions have worked so well for all those employees at the NYT and Boston Globe, right? The ones who survived the layoffs ... not the ex-employees cooking the survivors' burgers and fries ...

  And nads knows what a "living wage" is in Bangladesh?

#BangladeshNeedsALivingWage

[BattleHymn]

If only nads had been on a living wage this whole time instead of working for free for the "press", she might have been able to afford to keep her bird cage clean. 

[GOBUCKS]

 

First off, I think it is time to raise the pay in Bangladesh to a living wage, but that is another kettle of fish.

Living conditions in Bangladesh are horrific.

People are forced to subsist on waffles and chocolate chip cookies.

[SVPete]

Living conditions in Bangladesh are horrific.

People are forced to subsist on waffles and chocolate chip cookies.

H-5! Are the Rice Chex for 1%ers only?

[BattleHymn]

Living conditions in Bangladesh are horrific.

People are forced to subsist on waffles and chocolate chip cookies.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't those factory jobs highly sought after in those countries, because of what the purchasing power of the money they receive is in said countries?

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't those factory jobs highly sought after in those countries, because of what the purchasing power of the money they receive is in said countries?

From what I understand, yes. For example, from what I've read, successful tele-marketers in India make upwards of $250 per month, which is good darn money there. NOTE: I don't live there, have never been there. It's just what I've read.

Bangladesh is even worse but still by their standards, is quite good.

I may be wrong. Lord knows one time back in '92 I was wrong about something (but had a good appeal), so I guess I'm due.

[BattleHymn]

From what I understand, yes. For example, from what I've read, successful tele-marketers in India make upwards of $250 per month, which is good darn money there. NOTE: I don't live there, have never been there. It's just what I've read.

Bangladesh is even worse but still by their standards, is quite good.

I may be wrong. Lord knows one time back in '92 I was wrong about something (but had a good appeal), so I guess I'm due.

No, I'm pretty sure we're both right.  It's the buying power that is important, a fact that has escaped primitives for eons. 

This whole thing reminds me of a section out of Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court, where the protagonist is trying to explain to a sixth-century primitive this concept.  Anybody who has five minutes to blow will enjoy reading this little chapter.  Anybody who does read it and doesn't enjoy themselves is free to scourge me with a series of bitch slaps.   

http://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/174/a-connecticut-yankee-in-king-arthurs-court/3127/chapter-33-sixth-century-political-economy/

[GOBUCKS]

No, I'm pretty sure we're both right.  It's the buying power that is important, a fact that has escaped primitives for eons. 

That's it. In those hellhole countries, local goods and services are extremely cheap.

Where they get screwed is when they want to buy something that has to be imported, which is nearly everything.

Their shit currency doesn't buy many dollars or euros or yen.

[Big Dog]

No, I'm pretty sure we're both right.  It's the buying power that is important, a fact that has escaped primitives for eons. 

This whole thing reminds me of a section out of Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court, where the protagonist is trying to explain to a sixth-century primitive this concept.  Anybody who has five minutes to blow will enjoy reading this little chapter.  Anybody who does read it and doesn't enjoy themselves is free to scourge me with a series of bitch slaps.   

http://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/174/a-connecticut-yankee-in-king-arthurs-court/3127/chapter-33-sixth-century-political-economy/

Perfect depiction of a Bernout.

It's like Mark Twain was psychic, or something!