Clyburn: Sanders’s plan would kill black colleges

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w4rma (29,819 posts)

Clyburn: Sanders’s plan would kill black colleges


Source: The Hill

Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Sunday that Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders’s plan to make public colleges tuition-free would have a deleterious effect on private, historically black colleges and universities (HBCU).

The third-ranking Democrat in the House — who has endorsed Sanders’s primary rival, Hillary Clinton — said such colleges would not be able to compete under the Vermont senator’s plan.

“You’ve got to think about the consequences of things,” Clyburn said in an interview with BuzzFeed News. “ you start handing out two years of free college at public institutions are you ready for all the black, private HBCUs to close down? That’s what’s going to happen.

“Tougaloo College in Mississippi will be closed if you can go to Jackson State for free,” he added.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270214-clyburn-sanderss-plan-would-kill-black-colleges

Wasn't that the point? A shit load of private colleges, regardless of black or white or brown, will close because free shit makes businesses no ****ing money.

JDPriestly (55,037 posts)
29. Do you think that is bad or good? I think it is good.

bluestateguy (42,506 posts)
24. Yes and in some unwelcome ways private schools would become even less diverse, and even more of a country club for rich kids, as working class students move to public universities.

And similar to the problem Clyburn noted, you could have private all women's colleges being driven out of business too in some cases.

berniepdx420 (791 posts)
56. Are you kidding me...these are the thoughtful reason you came up with to justify denying higher education to poor and working poor folks who would otherwise not have access to it. And shame on Mr. Clyburn.. using education for an expedient political wedge to gain political advantage...

Adrahil (5,703 posts)
88. A wedge? Historical Black colleges and Universities are important...

... Both in terms of what they have represented historically, and in what they continue to offer.

And what a weird argument. Isn't Bernie's plan intended to use education to gain political advantage!?

Bernistas say the weirdest stuff sometimes....

mhatrw (9,807 posts)
55. Is this about getting more black students college educations without crippling debt, or is this about ensuring a protected market for insanely expensive private colleges?

bravenak (23,093 posts)
6. It would {force HBCUs to close}

And his plans have plenty of flaws that are not addressed. Like the fact that states have to contribute a healthy percentage. Which red state will put that in their budget?

azurnoir (42,714 posts)
8. That would only be true if families that would traditionally choose these collages decide they'd rather take the less expensive choice , no one is being forced to do anything

 

Nyan (541 posts)
19. This reminds me, all the states (except Wisconsin) that have rejected medicare expansion under ACA are the states that once instituted slavery.
What one could infer from that is that the white populace either consciously or unconsciously refuse to have government policies benefit them because they don't want it to benefit their former slaves. In other words, we can't have good government programs "because unlike Scandinavian countries, we have black people and other minorities."
I find it ironic that this elite black politician is rejecting (on behalf of all black people, supposedly) the idea of universal public college program "because we have black people."
I'm sorry. Republican Party has been using divisive tactics for a long time. And now, I see Democratic Party establishment doing the same thing.

 

grasswire (45,152 posts)
26. Remember that Clintons gets $$$$$ from the private college industry.

Bill was given 17.5 million bucks for being an "honorary chancellor" at a for-profit college network, and resigned just prior to her candidacy.

[Carl]

Yet they claim we are the racists.

[BannedFromDU]

Yet they claim we are the racists.

     So...let me understand this: you can't have free education, because if you did, people who are paying for it now might get it for free, and that would make it all socialist-y, and we can't have that. Except I thought that's what they've been braying for? There's an easy as pie solution for this, of course: make education free for white people only. That would preserve order in the historically black colleges, no?

[Big Dog]

Nyan (541 posts) 
19. This reminds me, all the states (except Wisconsin) that have rejected medicare expansion under ACA are the states that once instituted slavery.

Wrong, you stupid coprophile. Kansas rejected the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid (not Medicare, you masticated lump of half-digested roughage), and we were a free state.

So go eat a bag of dicks.

[Carl]

     So...let me understand this: you can't have free education, because if you did, people who are paying for it now might get it for free, and that would make it all socialist-y, and we can't have that. Except I thought that's what they've been braying for? There's an easy as pie solution for this, of course: make education free for white people only. That would preserve order in the historically black colleges, no?

Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:37 AM

Barack_America (25,733 posts)
10. Yes, keep the majority chained to poverty to save the Establishment.

If allowing all Black youth the opportunity for a college education would harm the Historically Black colleges, then, by God let's keep them down.

Beyond that, wasn't Hillary for 'essentially' free college yesterday?

I have so much respect for Clyburn, it pains me to see him put a candidate above the cause he has worked his whole life for. I can't believe he's actually arguing against free tuition for Black youth.

The dumbocrat way.

[SVPete]

  Trying to think beyond Stage 1, the Feel-Good Stage? That'll have DU-folk twisted in mental knots and wrangling with each other!

[thundley4]

Wasn't Obama the first to talk about making college free?

[98ZJUSMC]

Soooooooo.... many consequences.   

Low paid Professors, massive personnel cuts to administrations, massive pay cuts to administrations, special snowflake programs cut to the bone or eliminated, being taught by disinterested, pedestrian teachers, consolidation and closing of podunk LIbEralArtS touchy feeley Romper Rooms. 

No more taking Medieval Lesbian Culture classes to blow off a quick "A".  Flunk out and you're done. 

[Maverick1987]

#BlackCollegesMatter

[Patriot Guard Rider]

#BlackCollegesMatter

There is nothing to stop anyone from leaving a private college. Black colleges are in no danger IF the current student body believes they'll get a better education at that institution.

IF, however, all the students decide they're going for "free", instead of, "quality", yes, they'll close.

[Big Dog]

There is nothing to stop anyone from leaving a private college.

If Sanders Claus's plan for education is like his plan for health care, private colleges will be verboten. Equality of education outcomes will demand it.

[SVPete]

This is an example of why government shouldn't meddle in the marketplace. Let _______ compete on the bases of price, quality, and variety, and a good spectrum of "winners" will emerge. When government meddles, some good ______s are made "losers", and some inferior ______s mare made winners. Government should not be making or engineering winner-loser choices.

Because Solyndra, Fisker, etc..

[thundley4]

Private colleges already cost a boatload more than state colleges. Comparatively the state colleges are already almost free.

[Rebel]

Tougaloo and Jackson State are both HBCU's, dumbass. Stick to your own state, fool.