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America’s wing-nut derangement syndrome: The death of Antonin Scalia & the mainstreaming of far-right paranoia

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/17/americas_wing_nut_derangement_syndrome_the_death_of_antonin_scalia_the_mainstreaming_of_far_right_paranoia/


As long as enough Republicans believe it, it must be true. Facts be damned.

The question remains: How do we debate a political faction that’s so entirely disconnected from verifiable truth? How do we move forward debating a White House nominee for the bench when too many Republicans believe it conceivable that Scalia was murdered by the president? How do we debate the best means of ameliorating the climate crisis? It’s practically a nonstarter when one half of the debaters are willing to support theories without evidence while rejecting math, science, history and reality in general. I suppose that’s the point. If you can’t win, and if you don’t have any answers, make stuff up. If the fantasy is marketed well enough, people will believe it. This is the business model of the modern Republican Party.

Because according to the left the real enemy of this country is the right. Not islam. Not communists. Not Russia, China, North Korea or anyone else but white christian americans.

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What matters is that the conservative entertainment complex, as well as the broader Republican Party, is suddenly realizing that elections matter. It’s just now dawning upon them that presidents get to nominate Supreme Court justices, and the current president will likely nominate a left-leaning replacement for Scalia, tipping the balance on the bench to, at least, five-to-four in favor of liberal decisions, or, with Justice Kennedy’s support on certain issues, six-to-three.

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Along those lines, Republicans believe the Bible forbids same-sex marriage even though same-sex marriage didn’t exist in biblical times. Similarly, they believe in all of the magical storybook aspects of the Bible, including a virgin birth, the parting of the Red Sea and the notion that a man was crucified and rose from the dead three days later. But racism doesn’t exist anymore, they say. They believe Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered the U.S. military to stand down during the attack on the consulate in Benghazi even though Republican investigations have repeatedly failed to prove it. They believe easy access to military-style assault weapons prevents mass shootings and other gun-related deaths even though evidence proves exactly the opposite. They believe tax cuts stimulate economic growth even though trickle-down only succeeds in ballooning the deficit while leaving the middle class behind. They believe in the writings of Ayn Rand, whose libertarian theories have never been successfully implemented anywhere. Ever. They believe a series of sting videos indicting Planned Parenthood are totally real, and, indeed, the GOP is legislating based upon those videos despite the reality that 12 state investigations and a spate of nonpartisan fact-checkers have exonerated the healthcare provider of any wrongdoing.

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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 09:57:15 AM »
These are the mongrels that believe in every possible conspiracy theory there is.  :lmao:

Wellstone,every election they lose stolen,TPTB always screwing them etc. :rotf:

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 10:36:21 AM »
These are the mongrels that believe in every possible conspiracy theory there is.  :lmao:

Wellstone,every election they lose stolen,TPTB always screwing them etc. :rotf:


     Octafish sees Prescott Bush on the insides of his eyelids, and they STILL have dozens of 9/11 truthers on DU. We're supposed to feel bad about wondering whether a Supreme Court justice KNOWN to be HATED by all liberals was murdered? Really?

     We're supposed to dismiss that the DNC, upon seeing that their only hopes are a socialist and a lying c**t, wouldn't try to settle the real outcome of an election by alternative means?

     We're supposed to believe that 0loser, the Grandmaster of "11-dimensional chess" and the biggest pissypants homo crybaby in the world, wouldn't have someone he hates killed because history isn't moving fast enough for him?

     Tell you what, DUmmies: when the owner of your website doesn't have to write letters apologizing for his peoples' claim that GWB CAUSED HURRICANE KATRINA TO HAPPEN, we'll talk.

     You assholes also said that GWB destroyed the space shuttle Columbia.

     You assholes also said that the Boston bombing was a false flag operation. Ditto Fort Hood. Ditto the DC sniper, and almost any other occurrence since you scumbags came to be in 2001, so spare us.

     
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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 01:58:04 PM »
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The question remains: How do we debate a political faction that’s so entirely disconnected from verifiable truth?

That question matters little, so long as it does not get asked of the political faction that is so entirely disconnected from reality: The left.

We on the right aren't the ones that need a safe space or a forum where opposing political viewpoints are prohibited.

Look in the mirror assholes, the ones disconnected from verifiable truth are you, (D)ummies.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2016, 09:06:06 AM »
Alright, time for me to roll up my sleeves and tackle this latest explosion of idiocy from the DUngheap:
WARNING! LONG POST AHEAD! A LOT OF BS TO SORT THROUGH!
". If you can’t win, and if you don’t have any answers, make stuff up. If the fantasy is marketed well enough, people will believe it."
The Left, especially the DUmmies, follow that strategy to a T. For instance, Sarah Palin never actually said "I can see Russia from my house," it was actually said by Tina Fey while imitating Palin in a 'Saturday Night Live' sketch (What Palin actually said was, in a quasi- joking tone, that there are certain sections of Alaska from which you can indeed see Russia, which is true). Still, the DUmmies and other leftists made up that Palin herself was the one who said it, marketed it, and people believed it. Then, of course, when they made up the "Bristol Palin= Trig's real mother" lie, with some DUmmies claiming they should continue parroting this lie even if it was false (Which, of course, it was) in order to hurt McCain's chances, rationalizing it by claiming that getting the right candidate in office made it okay to spread a reputation- destroying lie. Then, of course, there's all the conspiracy theories and lies they make up about Republicans.
"What matters is that the conservative entertainment complex, as well as the broader Republican Party, is suddenly realizing that elections matter."
Conservative entertainment complex? LOL!
Liberals pretty much own the entertainment industry, and use it to parrot their propaganda through movies and television every chance they can get. Just look at Seth MacFarlane. The guy's created not one, not even two, but three idiotic shows (All of which, in spite of being technically "Comedic," are about as funny as pancreatic cancer) all about parroting left- wing propaganda and spreading blind hatred of anyone who disagrees with the far Left on any issue.
"Along those lines, Republicans believe the Bible forbids same-sex marriage even though same-sex marriage didn’t exist in biblical times."
Indeed it didn't (Unless you count all the many verses pointing out that marriage is between a man and a wife), but the Bible does openly forbid homosexual practice, and same- sex marriage by its very definition is all about homosexual practice. Oh, and don't forget that the government regularly seeks to force Christian business owners to go against their religious beliefs and the basic dictates of their consciences by trying to make it illegal for them to refuse service to gay weddings and similar things.
"Similarly, they believe in all of the magical storybook aspects of the Bible, including a virgin birth, the parting of the Red Sea and the notion that a man was crucified and rose from the dead three days later."
Ah, and let the hate- mongering begin! I knew it would come sooner or later, especially in a thread when DU hypocrites openly accuse conservatives of being bigoted. They are matters of personal religious faith, which we have the right to believe in and practice under the First Amendment of the Constitution (Though of course the DUmmies and other uber- leftists would change all that, if they felt they could get away with it). btw, as for Christ's death and resurrection, first, He was more than a man, contrary to what most of the Left believes; He was God incarnate. Second, keep in mind that the Apostles saw Him raised, had absolutely nothing to gain and potentially a LOT to lose in that time and place for testifying that He was risen, all were persecuted, imprisoned, and tortured for it, and all but John son of Zebedee were executed, often brutally (i.e. several of them were crucified, and Peter specifically requested to be crucified upside- down, an even more agonizing way to go), for testifying that Jesus was the Son of God who rose from the dead. Do you really think all of them would have gone through all of that, freaking DIED, for something that this DUmmy believes they would have known was a lie?
I can't even imagine the tantrums this DUmmy (And probably a lot of the other Christophobes on the DUmp, too) will go through over the movie 'Risen.'
" But racism doesn’t exist anymore, they say."
None of us have ever said that. What we have said is basically refuting the Left's wild claims that race relations all over America today are as bad now as they were in Mississippi circa the 1940s and 50s if not worse, which is simply not so. Racial problems do still exist, largely perpetuated by the very same self- righteous, ultra- liberal grievance- mongers who claim to be against racism, such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and indeed President Obama. All we have to do is listen to the garbage that people like Farrakhan and the New Black Panthers types (Ironically the same people who, when Martin Luther King Jr. was alive, referred to him as a "Chump" and referred to his followers as "Uncle Toms" for seeking racial harmony rather than black supremacy) spew about white people (Or, really, anyone not black) without any kind of criticism from the public to know that racism still exists. How about the barbaric practices known as "The Knockdown Game" and "Polar Bear Hunting," not much different from KKK members in the 30s randomly seeking out blacks to beat and torment?
"They believe easy access to military-style assault weapons prevents mass shootings and other gun-related deaths even though evidence proves exactly the opposite."
1. None of us have said that. Way to put words in our mouths.
2. None of us believe that regular Americans should have access to military- grade weapons. We simply believe that the basic Second Amendment rights of honest, law- abiding gun- owners should be protected.
3. To the best of my knowledge, none of the recent mass shootings were committed using military- grade weapons.
4. Pretty much all of the recent mass shootings and the overwhelming majority of gun- related crimes were committed using guns that were illegally owned to begin with, and almost all of the recent mass shootings occurred in areas designated as "Gun- free zones." Why, it's almost as if violent criminals don't care about gun laws, and mass shooters prefer to target areas where they're not likely to encounter anyone that could return fire.
"They believe tax cuts stimulate economic growth even though trickle-down only succeeds in ballooning the deficit while leaving the middle class behind."
I believe in trickle- down economics because I experienced the negative end of it (Placing unnecessarily high taxes on business owners and other supposed "1%ers" causes the employees to be the ones who suffer, as it forces said business owners to have to cut hours, wages, and eventually jobs in order to keep their businesses in the black) firsthand in July of 2008, when I and at least one other employee at the family- owned hardware store where I worked were laid off and the remaining workers all had their hours cut in order to help the business deal with budget cuts.
". They believe in the writings of Ayn Rand, whose libertarian theories have never been successfully implemented anywhere. Ever."
You DUmmies believe in the writings and philosophies of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, whose theories not only have never worked anywhere, ever, but whose past attempts at implementation have resulted in many of the most despised dictators in human history, a multitude of human- rights violations, and a civilian death toll higher than the death tolls of the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, and every major twentieth century war COMBINED.
" They believe a series of sting videos indicting Planned Parenthood are totally real, and, indeed, the GOP is legislating based upon those videos despite the reality that 12 state investigations and a spate of nonpartisan fact-checkers have exonerated the healthcare provider of any wrongdoing"
The videos are real, and as I recall, those "Nonpartisan fact- checkers" were all hired by Planned Parenthood. In other words, they were hired and paid by the very people they were supposed to be investigating. Does that sound "Nonpartisan" to any of you?
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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2016, 11:57:32 AM »
tl;dr

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2016, 11:58:20 AM »
These are the mongrels that believe in every possible conspiracy theory there is.  :lmao:

Wellstone,every election they lose stolen,TPTB always screwing them etc. :rotf:

They wear way too much tinfoil! :tinfoil: :tinfoil2:  :mental:

They should lay off the tinfoil for a change.  :mental:
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2016, 12:44:51 PM »
They wear way too much tinfoil! :tinfoil: :tinfoil2:  :mental:

They should lay off the tinfoil for a change.  :mental:

Ptarmy, even a bunny can figure out what they really should be laying off . . .  :stoner:
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2016, 01:18:33 PM »
They wear way too much tinfoil! :tinfoil: :tinfoil2:  :mental:

They should lay off the tinfoil for a change.  :mental:

Maybe they're eating the tinfoil and the aluminum is affecting their brains? :shrug:
Liberals disgust me. (Now I don't have to remember to put it on each post).

Because only the left goes searching for that which is not there in a desperate attempt to be offended about something.

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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2016, 02:11:22 PM »
Maybe they're eating the tinfoil and the aluminum is affecting their brains? :shrug:
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2016, 02:19:41 PM »
Brains?

I stand corrected. You have to have one first, before it can be affected by anything.
Liberals disgust me. (Now I don't have to remember to put it on each post).

Because only the left goes searching for that which is not there in a desperate attempt to be offended about something.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2016, 09:07:23 PM »
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Along those lines, Republicans believe the Bible forbids same-sex marriage even though same-sex marriage didn’t exist in biblical times.
:o

You consider yourself a very smart individual, don't you?

That's nice. .....
              

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2016, 10:06:05 PM »
:o

You consider yourself a very smart individual, don't you?

That's nice. .....

This is what happens when their moms go on and on about them being special.

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Along those lines, Republicans believe the Bible forbids same-sex marriage even though same-sex marriage didn’t exist in biblical times.

Coming from the loons who long argued that the second amendment only protects muskets and nothing newer, that is pretty funny. But not haha funny. Special funny.


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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2016, 12:46:01 AM »
2. None of us believe that regular Americans should have access to military- grade weapons. We simply believe that the basic Second Amendment rights of honest, law- abiding gun- owners should be protected.


*ahem*

At least one of us does.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2016, 04:38:13 AM »

*ahem*

At least one of us does.

Make that two of us . . .
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2016, 08:41:44 AM »
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How do we debate the best means of ameliorating the climate crisis?

Easy. Start by proving there's a crisis, with several thousand years of raw, world-wide scope temperature data, and evidence that mankind has ANY influence on the climate of this planet.

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It’s practically a nonstarter when one half of the debaters are willing to support theories without evidence while rejecting math, science, history and reality in general.

This is probably a reference to the fact that many Rs and conservatives believe in Divine Creation. How is this any more a non-starter than many Libs' and Progs' belief that the universe popped into existence on its own, through mechanisms that are nothing more than ever-changing speculations? Speaking of History, is "Cary" aware that the vast majority of the scientists whose work are the foundation of science believed in Divine Creation? Who's ignoring History?

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If you can’t win, and if you don’t have any answers, make stuff up. If the fantasy is marketed well enough, people will believe it.

Take that up with TerMinal Nuisance and other purveyors of the Dominionism-Theocracy Threat. Take that up with DU's 911 Troofers. Take that up with DU's purveyors of the Bush Lied, People Died, Hands Up, Don't Shoot, suppressed cancer cure, GM-killed-the-electric-caretc. fantasy-conspiracy-myths.

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What matters is that the conservative entertainment complex ...

Ummmmmm ... what "conservative entertainment complex"? There's Fox News, and ?????? ...

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... Republicans believe the Bible forbids same-sex marriage even though same-sex marriage didn’t exist in biblical times.

The Bible forbids homosexuality. That makes same-sex marriage forbidden.

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But racism doesn’t exist anymore, they say.

Who is silly enough to make that claim? Rs and conservatives recognize that white-on-black racism exists and always will, but that such racists are largely isolated and impotent. OTOH, Rs and conservatives also recognize that black-on-white and Hispanic-on-white racism are alive and well - active and influential - while many/most (all?) Libs and Progs refuse to acknowledge that such racism exists.

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They believe Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered the U.S. military to stand down during the attack on the consulate in Benghazi ...

The CIA contractors on scene were ordered to stand down. Who has the authority to give that order?

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They believe tax cuts stimulate economic growth ...

They do, as the 80s and 90s proved. JFK held the same belief.

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They believe in the writings of Ayn Rand, whose libertarian theories have never been successfully implemented anywhere.

Ummmmm ... not many Rs and conservatives believe in Ayn Rand's full "Colorado" economic model, even among those who have read Atlas. That "libertarian" economic model has not, AFAIK, been tried, as Cary states. OTOH, Many, many Libs and Progs believe in various degrees of Marx-style Socialism despite the fact that every attempted implementation of Marx has slaughtered millions of innocents and been a disastrous economic failure everywhere it's been tried.

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They believe a series of sting videos indicting Planned Parenthood are totally real ...

The CMP gave the full raw footage from at least one of their stings to an outfit that does forensic examinations of video. That outfit found that the only edits to the "full" videos on CMP's website was stuff like bathroom breaks, meals at restaurants, and driving to/from the PP facility. You'd almost think CMP anticipated the "highly edited" defense by PP and its shills, and was careful to film everything. Cary, those videos were real ... PP was caught selling baby body parts for fun and profit ... deal with it!

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2016, 10:20:14 AM »
It never ceases to amaze me how entrenched in the denial of facts and reality the DUmmies and most Libtards really are.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2016, 11:17:10 AM »
It never ceases to amaze me how entrenched in the denial of facts and reality the DUmmies and most Libtards really are.

Not me. It's become SOP to deny facts and reality for DUmbasses and libtards. It's when they acknowledge those two things that amazes me.
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2016, 11:25:53 AM »
Not me. It's become SOP to deny facts and reality for DUmbasses and libtards. It's when they acknowledge those two things that amazes me.
I guess I'm an optimist... I just keep thinking that some day they'll realize they’ve been lied to.
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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2016, 11:57:23 AM »
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What matters is that the conservative entertainment complex

When did we get one of those?  Damn, that is what I get for not keeping up with the VWRC bulletins.
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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2016, 12:38:59 PM »
Four...




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I'm a little late, but...... Five!
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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2016, 12:46:43 PM »
Every now and then the mask slips. This is one of those times.

Here we clearly private law abiding citizen being criminalized for nothing more than not voting democrat.
If private citizens are the enemy, how far off can a Stalanist bloody purge really be?

the desire to kill the enemy pervades not just DU but every liberal internet. Conservatives are not just another party, conservatives are EVIL.

Democrats are not democratic. I've been working overtime at DI, and the more hard core progressive one is, the more authoritarian they become. The first amendment is an obstacle to their agenda...one by one every freedom will disappear. They know deep down inside that the people will never willingly go along and thus the 2nd amendment has been under attack for decades.

The true evil is not the republican voter...it is the democrat voter who willingly cuts his own throat.

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Re: The real enemy, the real danger... according to DU is you and me.
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2016, 12:47:21 PM »
and six