Author Topic: What if Sanders wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count due to supe (Read 5484 times)

tuolumnejim · « **on:** February 10, 2016, 07:08:26 AM »

Why then it will be 2000 all over again and DUmbshits will be cutting themselves left and right, It will be glorious.

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Kurska (5,596 posts)

What if Sanders wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count due to super delegates?

I'd expect an absolute revolt on the progressive left of the party. It would probably end up costing us the election. I could really imagine a huge stay at home effect if something like this happened. It would also make the democratic party look very undemocratic, even to people who might not have a strong preference between the two. The party convention would be absolute chaos and the democrats would look unorganized and unprepared for the election.

The super delegate system is an idea out of time. With the amount of anger pointed at the political establishment by both party bases the idea that DC insiders could literally decide a primary election is toxic.

If the super delegates refuse to fall in line with the winner of the popular vote, then we might as well just cancel the election. No way would we have a democrat in the white house if party brass stab voters in the back and override their democratic will. I'd expect it would result in the lowest youth turnout in the history of presidential elections. This would kill our party.

fatboy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2016, 07:16:41 AM »

Come on people, let's visualize what a revolt on the extreme left of the democrat party would look like.

Pass the Cheetos dude, lets play the White Album again.

USA4ME · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2016, 07:27:23 AM »

Liberals/progressives are sheep. None of you can form an independent thought or politically perform an independent action. You'll fall in line like you always do.

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Carl · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2016, 07:54:59 AM »

Do any of them understand the Primary process?

franksolich · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2016, 07:59:38 AM »

It's their own damned fault.

Democrats, liberals, and primitives have a history of tampering with the way elections are held.

Usually it's a good idea to simply vote one man, one vote.

No need to do anything fancy; just one man, one vote, period.

And then the majority wins.

But Democrats, liberals, and primitives are obsessed with manipulating things so the outcome's a desired one, rather than just letting the majority decide things.

franksolich · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:01:56 AM »

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, the ethnically-correct Democrat candidate in 2008 won a majority of delegates.....but got only a minority of actual votes in the various state primaries.

Maverick1987 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:09:03 AM »

The progressive left will revolt no matter the outcome. It's their nature.

Big Dog · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:17:55 AM »

Quote from: Maverick1987 on February 10, 2016, 08:09:03 AM

The progressive left will revolt no matter the outcome. It's their nature.

Yup. They are revolting.

67 Rover · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:35:42 AM »

Quote from: fatboy on February 10, 2016, 07:16:41 AM

Come on people, let's visualize what a revolt on the extreme left of the democrat party would look like.

Pass the Cheetos dude, lets play the White Album again.

As socialist tears flow there will be basements flooding across the nation. Invest in disaster recovery company's.

USA4ME · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2016, 08:45:12 AM »

There's no way the Dem establishment wants the bern to be the nominee. They'd rather have Trump than the bern if they were allowed to speak and be honest. billary and Dear Leader were not that different, so one or the other was OK with them. The bern is from another universe.

They got to have billary win it all by getting the most voters to make it look legit. Anything short of that and these socialist kooks will flip out.

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thundley4 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2016, 11:05:16 AM »

Quote from: franksolich on February 10, 2016, 08:01:56 AM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, the ethnically-correct Democrat candidate in 2008 won a majority of delegates.....but got only a minority of actual votes in the various state primaries.

I've read in several places that Hillary won the popular vote in the primary, but once again Democrats screwed her with the way delegates are awarded.

zeitgeist · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2016, 11:16:01 AM »

Quote from: franksolich on February 10, 2016, 08:01:56 AM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, the ethnically-correct Democrat candidate in 2008 won a majority of delegates.....but got only a minority of actual votes in the various state primaries.

This was the section of this thread I found most interesting:

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Sancho (4,859 posts)
19. that happened in 2008...

Hillary won the popular vote, and lost the delegates
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Response to Sancho (Reply #19)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:52 AM
mythology (4,298 posts)
23. Not really

She won the popular vote in the states with primaries. But she generally lost caucus states where vote totals aren't always available. Also Obama didn't compete in Florida or Michigan due to DNC rules after those states tried to jump ahead.

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Response to mythology (Reply #23)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:03 AM
Star Member Sancho (4,859 posts)
28. Yes, really....

If the Fl primary had occurred correctly, Hillary would have beaten Obama...Fl and MI have more people in a county than most of the caucus states. It is not the candidates fault when state legislatures foul up the primaries. At any rate, Hillary was way ahead in 2008 in Fl, and she is way ahead of Bernie here now.

You can argue all you want, but if you looked at it accurately, more Democrats voted for Hillary in 2008, and she lost the delegate battle - Obama had a better strategy. It was close.

At any rate, Hillary learned the lesson, and she is doing better this time on gathering super delegates, endorsements, and putting resources into organizing the larger states. Endorsements from Edwards and some top Democrats made the 2008 primary swing towards Obama, too. Unions and celebrities (like Oprah) helped Obama and split for the primary. This time, Hillary did the early work to get them on board.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #28)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:42 AM
Star Member Lucinda (18,459 posts)
47. Yus.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #28)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:34 AM
Star Member SheilaT (20,753 posts)
82. Endorsements, yes!

Hillary was endorsed by every major newspaper and elected official in New Hampshire, and that of course guaranteed her overwhelming win in that state.

Oh, wait a minute. I think I got something wrong there.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #19)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:54 AM
backscatter712 (23,849 posts)
24. Except the popular vote count...

...did not include caucus states, where Obama dominated, and didn't include Michigan and Florida, who got slapped for moving up their primaries against Democratic party rules.

So the popular vote count isn't that cut and dried. I strongly believe that if the popular votes were somehow tallied from the caucus states, Obama would get the win.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #24)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:05 AM
Star Member Sancho (4,859 posts)
31. And if Florida was included, it would have overwhelmed the smaller states..

so we all know it's a crazy system...

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Response to Kurska (Original post)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:48 AM
Star Member Joe the Revelator (12,174 posts)
20. In 08 Hillary kept saying how she had a superdelegate firewall. They switched to Obama as he started

winning.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #20)Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:56 AM
Matt_in_STL (328 posts)
26. You can already see that tactic at play here this morning

Posts are trying to prop up her delegate count with super delegates, going so far as to say she won New Hampshire, against the will of the people. I guess if it worked in 2008....oh wait....

1968 was a great year. I was invited to go to Chitown to protest but opted to stay home and watch it on TV. In truth more than a few people I knew went and found out what the term "Useful Idiot" really means.

jukin · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2016, 11:23:23 AM »

Well it's a fact!

Hilary gets more delegates!

I love the fact that they call themselves the democratic party when the control is all in the oligarchs. Like all things leftist, the nomenclature is the exact opposite of the reality.

There are no super delegates in the republican party.

Big Dog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2016, 12:04:19 PM »

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The Dirty Sanchez primitive

You can argue all you want, but if you looked at it accurately, more Democrats voted for Hillary in 2008, and she lost the delegate battle - Obama had a better strategy. It was close.

Obama's strategy: Be black.

USA4ME · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2016, 12:26:20 PM »

The bern-outs should think of it as another socialism scheme: Part theft, part affirmative action.

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Chris_ · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2016, 12:29:46 PM »

If you like your delegate, you can keep your delegate.

Ralph Wiggum · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2016, 12:38:57 PM »

Quote from: zeitgeist on February 10, 2016, 11:16:01 AM

This was the section of this thread I found most interesting:

1968 was a great year. I was invited to go to Chitown to protest but opted to stay home and watch it on TV. In truth more than a few people I knew went and found out what the term "Useful Idiot" really means.

Mayor Daley the elder condoned cracking skulls. The good ol' days.

Big Dog · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2016, 12:48:20 PM »

Quote from: USA4ME on February 10, 2016, 12:26:20 PM

The bern-outs should think of it as another socialism scheme: Part theft, part affirmative action.

Redistribution of votes. Socialists should love it

dutch508 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2016, 02:43:36 PM »

Hillary could come out of NH with more delegates than Bernie.
See Weasel Zippers for the story.

zeitgeist · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2016, 03:07:53 PM »

Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on February 10, 2016, 12:38:57 PM

Mayor Daley the elder condoned cracking skulls. The good ol' days.

Yes, yes he did. In a way I guess you could say he created 'stupor delegates'.

CollectivismMustDie · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2016, 04:18:26 PM »

Quote from: tuolumnejim on February 10, 2016, 07:08:26 AM

Why then it will be 2000 all over again and DUmbshits will be cutting themselves left and right, It will be glorious.

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CMD

BlueStateSaint · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2016, 04:48:35 PM »

Quote from: CollectivismMustDie on February 10, 2016, 04:18:26 PM

Dear (D)Ummies,

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CMD

That's very helpful of you, CMD! H5 for trying to help out the DUmmies!

CollectivismMustDie · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2016, 04:58:33 PM »

Quote from: BlueStateSaint on February 10, 2016, 04:48:35 PM

That's very helpful of you, CMD! H5 for trying to help out the DUmmies!

Thank you, Sir.

Never let it be said that I'm not a compassionate person. I feel its my duty to do my part to help the less advantaged among us, and donate my time and effort with the best interests of society in mind, as any good citizen does.

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CMD

USA4ME · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2016, 05:00:31 PM »

From another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511189657

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Onlooker

7. The Superdelegates will switch if Bernie keeps winning

Clinton led Obama by more than 2-1 in 2008, but by the time Obama got the nomination, he led by at least 2-1. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Superdelegates are not idiots. They won't go against Bernie if he keeps winning.

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Admiral Loinpresser

14. That's right.

To violate the Obama precedent could well mean the end of the Democratic Party, at least as a major force in American politics.

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farleftlib

21. I fear that sanity only prevailed in Obama's case because the party could afford to be magnanimous - he was another establishment dem. With Bernie, I fear, that premise falls apart. They're in the same place Hillary is with the Goldman Sachs transcripts, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If Bernie wins and tries to throw the moneylenders out of the temple, they're screwed. Otoh, If the party establishment totally subverts democracy to prevent that from happening, they're doomed.

I see something coming down the road, something along the lines of (EXPLOSION!!)

The farleftlib primitive has a good point. The establishment dems could go either way in 2008. With the bern, not so much.

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GOBUCKS · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2016, 05:12:39 PM »

Quote from: USA4ME on February 10, 2016, 08:45:12 AM

They'd rather have Trump than the bern if they were allowed to speak and be honest.

Why not? The shallow clown is, after all, a democrat.

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Author Topic: What if Sanders wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count due to supe (Read 5484 times)