primitives squibble-squabble about a woman's right to defend herself

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027564868

Oh my.

And thanks to thundley4, who first noticed this.

Nuclear Unicorn (17,807 posts)    Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:03 AM

Danish teen fought off her attacker - now she'll face fine

A 17-year-old girl who was physically and sexually attacked in Sønderborg will herself face charges for using pepper spray to fend off her assailant. 

The teenager told police that she was attacked in central Sønderborg on Wednesday at around 10pm by an English-speaking man in dark clothing. She said the man knocked her to the ground and then unbuttoned her pants and attempted to undress her.

The girl was able to save herself from further assault by using pepper spray on the attacker, but now she may be the one who ends up in legal trouble.

“It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely be charged for that,” local police spokesman Knud Kirsten told TV Syd.

http://www.thelocal.dk/20160126/danish-teen-fought-off-her-attacker-with-pepper-spray-now-shell-face-fine

Unjust laws ought to be disobeyed.

This thread grew to be ten miles long; best that one see it in its original, at the link above.

beevul (10,728 posts)    Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:43 PM
referring to a comment by an anti-self-defense primitive

152. If I hadn't seen that post with my own eyes...
 
If I hadn't seen that post with my own eyes, I might not have believed it.

How completely disgusting.

Nuclear Unicorn (17,807 posts)     Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:47 PM

169. I'm sure you've seen the exchange throughout the thread.
 
It's making me cynical at an early age.

beevul (10,728 posts)    Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:52 PM

172. I have.
 
The arguments I've seen in this thread are thoroughly disgusting.

They amount to "sorry there was a rape, but the conditions that make it harder to defend against rape are for the greater good".

Yes, thoroughly disgusting indeed.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

DAMMIT! I was just going to do one on this thread.

It's obvious franksolich is an agent provocateur intent on stirring discontent amongst relatively new members of this website by hijacking said thread from someone intent on building a good, ok, semi-good, ok, any reputation here.

That said, Nuclear Unicorn, from what I remember, used to be anti-gun. She dates, or used to, a conservative (as I recall), who took her to the range and got her hooked on guns and self-defense. Overall a staunch self-defense advocate.

[CollectivismMustDie]

They're so cute when they squabble.

The nyuk-nyuk-nyuk-ular unicorn primitive and the be-evil primitive look to be begging for the banhammer.

After heading over there and reading the rest, all I can say is, copies of that thread should be posted where as many people can see it as possible.


CMD

[franksolich]

DAMMIT! I was just going to do one on this thread.

It's obvious franksolich is an agent provocateur intent on stirring discontent amongst relatively new members of this website by hijacking said thread from someone intent on building a good, ok, semi-good, ok, any reputation here.

But actually the thread's been on Skins's island a good part of the past 24 hours, and I was getting concerned it might get lost in the pile of newer complaints and belly-achings of the primitves, so I figured it'd better get it out here.

Your reputation's good here, sir; solid.  Sterling.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

But actually the thread's been on Skins's island a good part of the past 24 hours, and I was getting concerned it might get lost in the pile of newer complaints and belly-achings of the primitves, so I figured it'd better get it out here.

Your reputation's good here, sir; solid.  Sterling.

I don't have time to peruse all the threads there. A few minutes in the morning and a little bit in the evening, so I missed this one. Weekends are ok. It has to do with something a lot of DUmmies aren't familiar with. It's called, "work".

What do I win for having a solid, sterling reputation? I'm talking Benjamins here.

[franksolich]

What do I win for having a solid, sterling reputation? I'm talking Benjamins here.

Ask, and thou shall receive.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Ask, and thou shall receive.

I'm LOL'ing here..

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

That said, Nuclear Unicorn, from what I remember, used to be anti-gun. She dates, or used to, a conservative (as I recall), who took her to the range and got her hooked on guns and self-defense. Overall a staunch self-defense advocate.

She had a meltdown one day and sent him packing then almost immediately regretted her decision. She cried to the heavens before she finally reconciled with him and they got married.

It was quite spectacular to watch.

[BlueStateSaint]

Ask, and thou shall receive.

Damn near dropped the iPad!  H5!

[freedumb2003b]

That was some funny shiit.

[BannedFromDU]

They're so cute when they squabble.

The nyuk-nyuk-nyuk-ular unicorn primitive and the be-evil primitive look to be begging for the banhammer.

After heading over there and reading the rest, all I can say is, copies of that thread should be posted where as many people can see it as possible.


CMD

I have noticed that Nuclear Unicorn takes exactly zero in terms of shit from other DUmmies when it comes to a woman's right to not be diddled by ANY man, under ANY circumtances. that ruffles the feathers of the DUmmies who have amended "No means no" to "No means no, but you know, maybe a Muslim man has a little ***** coming to him, doncha think?"

To which I say, just this once, good on Nuclear Unicorn.

[diesel driver]

Ask, and thou shall receive.

DAMN, Frank!

Not so early in the morning, please!!!

That's some funny shit right there, I don't care who you are, that's funny!!!

[SVPete]

There are DU-folk who oppose a woman defending herself against a would be rapist? I have no polite words for ... them.

AFAIC, just about anything a woman does to defend herself from a would-be rapist is OK with me, up to and including "Bobbitizing" him at the neck!

[Carl]

A long but interesting post from DFW.

Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #183)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:56 AM

DFW (20,510 posts)
191. It's more nuanced than that

France has a useless socialist government where 40% (!!!!!!!) of the employed work for the government. Germany has a functioning social democracy with a "conservative (still to the left of anything we've had since FDR)"-led coalition. Belgium is a basket case, Holland gets by, but these two are small, densely populated countries with a population of between 11 and 15 million and about the size of Connecticut. You can drive from the Dutch coast on the North Sea to the border in about two hours. It takes longer than that to drive the Massachusetts Turnpike! Germany is about 85% of the area of California, but has a population a quarter the size of the entire USA. Europe is CROWDED. Add to this the fact that German governments of right or left still (to their credit, I might add) feel a deep moral obligation to help people in dire need due to their history in the first half of the past century.

The trouble is that they make no secret of this, and they get overwhelmed by scammers who know that in the past, all they had to was to show up and say "me persecuted!" and they'd get a free apartment, a living allowance and other perks that local citizens did not. Resentment festered, but as long as abuse was minimal, it stayed at that level. My wife went crazy dealing with trying to place hard core unemployed into jobs, but many would have had to take a pay cut if they worked, so they found doctors who took bribes to declare them unfit for work, claimed not to know the language well enough to work (after, in some cases over 20 years in Germany!), even, in one of her cases, fathered 15 children, collected government child subsidies for each one, and then kept the money for himself and let the various mothers of these children fend for themselves. These are some of the extreme examples, of course, but they and their like gave a bad name to the other 90% of asylum seekers who came for legitimate reasons. The percentages may be similar, but 10% of a million is still a LOT of bad apples. The left doesn't appreciate German women getting harassed on the street or calls for them to adapt their behavior to accommodate Arab morality any more than the right does.

Each country has its own issues. France let nearly all who wanted to come from its North African colonies come be French citizens when they granted those colonies independence. Huge numbers did just that. Most of them knew French, but they didn't know France. When they brought their local religion and mores with them, and passed them on to the next generation in their ghettos, the seeds of conflict were sewn.

Belgium's minority French-speaking Walloons invited hundreds of thousands of Moroccans to come to Belgium, offered them generous social packages, and reminded them "vote for us!" Well, the Moroccans did just that, and were granted wide immunity from prosecution for crimes as well. Government censors, for a while, forbade the media, when reporting on violent crime, to say who the perpetrators were (if they were Moroccan). It gave rise, predictably, to ugly far right movements among the Belgian majority Flemish, who are Dutch-speakers. They started to cynically say, when violent crimes were reported without identifying who had committed them, "it was those Swedish people again."

Germany has had its problems with some of the millions of Turkish-speaking "guest workers," invited starting in the 1950s to help ease the labor shortage. Most stayed on, and it created cultural clashes, but the Turks--many of whom are now the adult children of the original guest workers and full German citizens--are widely assimilated now. They are business owners, TV reporters, journalists, one even is Party leader of the Greens. He speaks accent-free German, and no one gives his ethnicity a second thought. But the Turks came to waiting jobs, and bringing modest expectations. Turkey in the 1950s was not exactly what you would have called cosmopolitain. The 10% of the people now streaming in with big expectations and short fuses are going to clash with the local populations, and give the other 90% a bad name. And no one knows who they are or how to identify them, because no one figured out how to screen a million people in three months, or that they should have prepared for them before they arrived.

What the German government missed is that it is not showing "tolerance" when they turn their back on their own citizens when they encounter violence at the hands of newcomers brought in by that same government. I talked with my wife today in Germany before flying up from Dallas here to Northern Virginia. She was with an old friend of of ours and his Russian girlfriend. They are both in their late 60s. The Russian woman speaks no German, so my wife can't converse with her, but the German man has been a friend of ours for over 30 years. He is an old die-hard socialist from an old working class family in the industrial town of Oberhausen. He lives in Köln now, and even he has got a bad case of what my wife calls "the refugee blues." He had desperately wanted the wave of immigrants to assimilate into a working-class new wave of grateful new Germans. After the attacks in Köln on New Year's Eve, his ideals have suffered, since reality has refused to conform to them. My wife, by contrast, also a loyal SPD or Greens voter, expected the mess, and thus was not disabused of any rosy illusions when that mess ensued.

It's not that Europe is fed up with the left. They are fed up with smug, incompetent bureaucrats, most of whom can't be fired, who dream up schemes in their offices, but never think out the consequences, never see the consequences, and never have to take responsibility when they **** up. This is not a right or left phenomenon, but a very European phenomenon. When these useless government employees are there for life and can't be fired, they have no incentive to be creative or useful. Some have consciences and are both, but far too many are not. To change that, you'd have to erase the whole system of protected functionaries. When, for example as in France, they represent FORTY per cent of the work force, good luck in getting THAT system changed.

Marc sees and knows first hand what happens when leftism rules the day and yet still promotes and craves that mess for the USA.
You ****ing traitorous bastard.

[Chris_]

It's not that Europe is fed up with the left. They are fed up with smug, incompetent bureaucrats, most of whom can't be fired, who dream up schemes in their offices, but never think out the consequences, never see the consequences, and never have to take responsibility when they **** up.

Same thing.

[wasp69]

She had a meltdown one day and sent him packing then almost immediately regretted her decision. She cried to the heavens before she finally reconciled with him and they got married.

It was quite spectacular to watch.

Oh, please do link...   

[98ZJUSMC]

Marc sees and knows first hand what happens when leftism rules the day and yet still promotes and craves that mess for the USA.
You ****ing traitorous bastard.

Amazing, isn't it?  Falling all over themselves to emulate a "basket case".  They can see the reasons.   They simply refuse to admit their entire worldview is, not only wrong, but mass national suicide.

Perfect example:

He had desperately wanted the wave of immigrants to assimilate into a working-class new wave of grateful       new Germans Free Shit providers.

I love this.

Unjust laws ought to be disobeyed.

Uh-huh ..... go on.

[BattleHymn]

Ask, and thou shall receive.

Yeah.  One of my favorites. 

[CollectivismMustDie]

This is what most DUmmies think of others, and how they should be treated:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsbH_ljJ1fY[/youtube]

I wish I could say it isn't so, but I can't.



CMD