Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz

[Crazy Horse]

BD, Don't forget "property rights".

[Big Dog]

BD, Don't forget "property rights".

 

You're right. I apologize for the omission.

[Boudicca]

BigDog, Trump has done nothing to convince anyone he's for the libertarian point of view if that means limited government, personal freedom and personal responsibility.  Would you care to enlighten me as to who, in your opinion, has actually done anything towards that end?
OTOH, it's rather easy to spout all manner of ideas and philosophies, much harder to produce any tangible results.  I can't make my personal position any clearer than I already have:  National Security and Jobs.  I believe Trump can accomplish these goals better than the rest of the field.  How do I know?  I base it on what he has actually done in his life, and for those who don't accept my honest conviction there is nothing else I can say.  Frankly, I'm tired of going over the same points.  Dutch said it all in a different thread as far as I'm concerned, as to why I favor Trump over the rest of the field.

The most I can do as one voter is move forward and vote my conscience for the best candidate.  If it doesn't pass the conservative purity test as defined by some other voter, so be it.  Apparently there are plenty of us pragmatic apostates.

[Big Dog]

BigDog, Trump has done nothing to convince anyone he's for the libertarian point of view if that means limited government, personal freedom and personal responsibility.

See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

[Crazy Horse]

BigDog, Trump has done nothing to convince anyone he's for the libertarian point of view if that means limited government, personal freedom and personal responsibility.  Would you care to enlighten me as to who, in your opinion, has actually done anything towards that end?
OTOH, it's rather easy to spout all manner of ideas and philosophies, much harder to produce any tangible results.  I can't make my personal position any clearer than I already have:  National Security and Jobs.  I believe Trump can accomplish these goals better than the rest of the field.  How do I know?  I base it on what he has actually done in his life, and for those who don't accept my honest conviction there is nothing else I can say.  Frankly, I'm tired of going over the same points.  Dutch said it all in a different thread as far as I'm concerned, as to why I favor Trump over the rest of the field.

The most I can do as one voter is move forward and vote my conscience for the best candidate.  If it doesn't pass the conservative purity test as defined by some other voter, so be it.  Apparently there are plenty of us pragmatic apostates.

That's the idea.  You give your opinion on who you think is the best candidate and others give you their opinion on why they believe your incorrect. There's no purity test here.

Personally I don't think Trump is the best candidate due to his support of the Kelo decision.  The founders held personal property in high regard, Kelo allows the government to take that property for benefit of the community or as Kelo, the benefit of the developers.

[HawkHogan]

Trump's popularity has everything to do with immigration.  If he didn't come out with his statement about Mexico in his opening speech, he wouldn't have this support.  Every candidate has been wishy/washy on immigration, including Cruz.  If Cruz had taken a stronger stance on H1B visas early on, I think he would have run away with the nomination.  However, he only moved in that direction after Trump skyrocketed in the polls. 

Immigration is the only issue that matters. It controls every other policy. 

It's a two person race in my book... Cruz or Trump. I'd gladly vote for either one.  I will not vote for Rubio or Bush under any instance.  Tired of globalists controlling this party.

[txradioguy]

Immigration is the only issue that matters. It controls every other policy. 

No it doesn't. 

It's important...but it doesn't control the policy on the 2nd Amendment...on property rights or taxes or the budget.

[thundley4]

No it doesn't. 

It's important...but it doesn't control the policy on the 2nd Amendment...on property rights or taxes or the budget.

However, the more Islamic terrorists that Obama lets in, the 2nd Amendment becomes ever more a matter of life and death.

[libertybele]

No it doesn't. 

It's important...but it doesn't control the policy on the 2nd Amendment...on property rights or taxes or the budget.

The most important issue is the 2nd Amendment ... that is the amendment upon which all of our other amendments hang...without the 2nd amendment - we will have NO rights!

[HawkHogan]

No it doesn't. 

It's important...but it doesn't control the policy on the 2nd Amendment...on property rights or taxes or the budget.

No.  It actually controls all those issues.  We are importing a million people a year.  A strong majority of them don't support the 2nd Amendment, or property right, or small government. 

See California.

[HawkHogan]

The most important issue is the 2nd Amendment ... that is the amendment upon which all of our other amendments hang...without the 2nd amendment - we will have NO rights!

Immigrants don't support the second Amendment unless they coming from Eastern Europe.  And sadly, most immigrants aren't coming from Eastern Europe.

[txradioguy]

No.  It actually controls all those issues.  We are importing a million people a year.  A strong majority of them don't support the 2nd Amendment, or property right, or small government. 

See California.

Sorry. You're wrong.

[txradioguy]

Immigrants don't support the second Amendment unless they coming from Eastern Europe.  And sadly, most immigrants aren't coming from Eastern Europe.

That's a really dumb blanket condemnation of all immigrants.

[HawkHogan]

That's a really dumb blanket condemnation of all immigrants.

Immigrants vote for Democrats in the 70th percentile.  Here's a chart on documenting their love of big government.

And here's a quote about the 2nd Amendment.

"Polls show that whites tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a significant margin (57 percent to 40 percent). Yet whites, who comprise 63 percent of the population today, won’t be in the majority for long. Racial minorities are soon to be a majority, and they are the nation’s strongest supporters of strict gun laws.

The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation’s Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades.

Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights."

[CollectivismMustDie]

I'm a libertarian. You knew that, right? That means I reject the idea of a strong-man president who ignores the Constitution, and tries to rule. I'm sure you know what Ben Franklin (no, not gNads, but the real Ben Franklin), said about people who would sacrifice liberty for security.

So, again, what has Donald Trump done that proves a President Trump will act according to the founding principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and Constitutionally limited government?

I am also generally libertarian leaning. I don't like it when gov reaches to far, regardless of purpose or on which parties behest it might be at. One side just further enables the other.

Kelo is a deal breaker for people like you and I, and really should be for everyone.


CMD

[Chris_]

Kelo is a deal breaker for people like you and I, and really should be for everyone.

For some here, they seem to be okay with that.

Unbelievable.

[CollectivismMustDie]

For some here, they seem to be okay with that.

Unbelievable.

The way I feel about it is this: Kelo is the almost-but-not-quite-as-ugly little brother of the aca mandate.

I don't see loving liberty and being accepting of either of those, as compatible. I don't want anyone to take that personally, but that is how I see it.

CMD

[txradioguy]

Immigrants vote for Democrats in the 70th percentile.  Here's a chart on documenting their love of big government.

And here's a quote about the 2nd Amendment.

"Polls show that whites tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a significant margin (57 percent to 40 percent). Yet whites, who comprise 63 percent of the population today, won’t be in the majority for long. Racial minorities are soon to be a majority, and they are the nation’s strongest supporters of strict gun laws.

The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation’s Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades.

Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights."

You can shut down the border and and go back to 1924 rules where we let zero people in...build the biggest wall you can along the Rio Grande and kick out every illegal that ran jumped or swam here and it won't stop the assault on the Constitution by the left.

Tightening up immigration won't stop the left from trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment.  It won't stop the Libtards from pushing mythical "rights" for gays to marry or the "right" to abortion on demand.  It won't stop their assault on free speech or the 9th and 10th Amendment.

Illegal immigration isn't the biggest problem we face...Marxist Liberals and their general assault on the Constitution and our way of life is the biggest threat.

[txradioguy]

For some here, they seem to be okay with that.

Unbelievable.

Founding Fathers looked upon private property ownership as one of the basic building blocks of a free society.

Intrude on a persons right to own property...you are restricting their liberty.

Why people are ok with that is beyond me.

[HawkHogan]

You can shut down the border and and go back to 1924 rules where we let zero people in...build the biggest wall you can along the Rio Grande and kick out every illegal that ran jumped or swam here and it won't stop the assault on the Constitution by the left.

Tightening up immigration won't stop the left from trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment.  It won't stop the Libtards from pushing mythical "rights" for gays to marry or the "right" to abortion on demand.  It won't stop their assault on free speech or the 9th and 10th Amendment.

Illegal immigration isn't the biggest problem we face...Marxist Liberals and their general assault on the Constitution and our way of life is the biggest threat.

Yeh. They will just vote the 2nd Amendment out of existence in another generation if immigration isn't stopped.  That's the point.  Every year the Democrats import another million voters.  Every year millions more flood across the border, who will eventually be granted full amnesty, by both party's establishments. 

As for Kelo, Donald Trump didn't decide the case.  A Republican establishment shill provided that vote.  Just like he provided that vote for other cases like Obergeville. And on Obamscare, other Republican establishment shills provided the deciding vote. 

Additionally, we had the House, Senate, and Presidency under George W. Bush. 

What conservative wins did we achieve?

Justice Alito?  That's about it. 

And if the Establishment gets W. Deux through to the nominaton with the new "Marco-mentum" I'll sit at home.   Or maybe I'll just write in Cruz or Trump. 

[CollectivismMustDie]

As for Kelo, Donald Trump didn't decide the case.

Yes, but hes very plainly stated that he agrees with it. That is a direct window into his view about the relationship between government and citizens. Anyone espousing that view of the relationship between citizens and government should unconditionally unambiguously scare the hell out of everyone. The answer to everything, is smaller government. We definitely aren't going to get that by electing a guy who goes on the national stage and embraces big government. Cruz is the better candidate in that regard, and its not even close. Again, not singling anyone out, but thats how I see it.


CMD

[Chris_]

Come on, it's only one house... what does it matter?  It's just some old lady. 

[txradioguy]

Yeh. They will just vote the 2nd Amendment out of existence in another generation if immigration isn't stopped.  That's the point.  Every year the Democrats import another million voters.  Every year millions more flood across the border, who will eventually be granted full amnesty, by both party's establishments.

You have yet to show a logical line between illegal immigration and repeal of the 2nd Amendment.  The two aren't connected...except in your head.

And besides the laws are already in place to shut down illegal immigration and better control our borders.  We don't need a Republican version of Obama with his pen    and a phone claiming he's going to do it singlehandedly.

We need someone that will abide by the Constitution and enforce the laws that are already on the books.

As for Kelo, Donald Trump didn't decide the case.

Never said he did.  But he sure as hell supports it.

A Republican establishment shill provided that vote.  Just like he provided that vote for other cases like Obergeville. And on Obamscare, other Republican establishment shills provided the deciding vote. 

Additionally, we had the House, Senate, and Presidency under George W. Bush. 

What conservative wins did we achieve?

Bush wasn't a Conservative.  We need a Constitutional Conservative.  There's only one in the race.

And if the Establishment gets W. Deux through to the nominaton with the new "Marco-mentum" I'll sit at home.   Or maybe I'll just write in Cruz or Trump.

So you'd rather have Bernie or Hillary finish what Obama started?

[Eupher]

You have yet to show a logical line between illegal immigration and repeal of the 2nd Amendment.  The two aren't connected...except in your head.

I think HH is pretty close to what Winkler is saying, which doesn't strain credulity:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/19/the-nra-will-fall-its-inevitable/?tid=sm_fb

And besides the laws are already in place to shut down illegal immigration and better control our borders.  We don't need a Republican version of Obama with his pen    and a phone claiming he's going to do it singlehandedly.

Agreed. All those laws that the current administration ignores could well be put to good use under an administration that respects the rule of law. Obama and his shills respect nothing but their own power.

[J P Sousa]

I am also generally libertarian leaning. I don't like it when gov reaches to far, regardless of purpose or on which parties behest it might be at. One side just further enables the other.

Kelo is a deal breaker for people like you and I, and really should be for everyone.


CMD

Agreed.
I figured the "Kelo" statement or the casual "Eminent Domain statement" by Trump would have killed his chances. The significance of Trumps stance is far more troubling than almost anything else he has said to date.

  As of early 2015, almost ten years after the Supreme Court upheld the Kelo condemnations, the properties that were the focus of an epic legal battle remain empty and undeveloped. Several plans to redevelop these lots have fallen through. The only creatures making regular use of them in the intervening years have been a colony of feral cats. 

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2015/06/23/10-years-later-heres-what-happened-to-the-land-seized-and-sold-to-developers-in-a-controversial-supreme-court-case/

“The specter of condemnation hangs over all property. Nothing is to prevent the State from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or any farm with a factory.”
—Justice Sandra Day O’Connor   

President Trump is a scary thought.