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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2016, 11:50:49 PM »
Exactly. I don't even know what words to use, to describe how crucial it is to not have any more lefties appointed as USSC justices.


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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2016, 09:54:47 AM »
Don't throw in the towel.  The fun is just beginning!   :cheersmate:

Ted Cruz 2016.  Reigniting the Promise of America!!!

This is the very point most people are missing when criticizing Ted Cruz. He is one of the FEW trying to KEEP the PROMISE most republicans made in 2010, 2014.

I guess too many republicans think promises are to be made during election and then discarded after election, which IS the hallmark of democrats.  :banghead:
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2016, 09:04:45 AM »
This is the very point most people are missing when criticizing Ted Cruz. He is one of the FEW trying to KEEP the PROMISE most republicans made in 2010, 2014.

I guess too many republicans think promises are to be made during election and then discarded after election, which IS the hallmark of democrats.  :banghead:

It is beyond me the appeal of Trump.  Those that claim to be conservatives that are behind him I sincerely question.  Though never a huge fan of Trump  I gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning until he made statements like he needs to be a little more establishment in order to get things done.  When the RINO's such as Reid state that they prefer Trump over Cruz; that should be another clue.  IF Trump is elected, he will have duped those conservatives who felt he was on their side. It will be much too late.  He will continue us down Hussein's path. Trump is a liberal progressive.  He has made comment that he felt Hillary was a great secretary of state and a very nice woman and thinks she would make a good president.  I don't think you can get any more liberal than that. 

Trump focused on hot issues and brought them to the forefront and excited a whole lot of people.  But if you listen to him carefully during interviews (and debates) he repeats himself rather than going in depth on a particular issue.  It is obvious to me he is of little substance and has little in depth knowledge about any issue and then goes on to tell people how great he is and he will make America great. He doesn't say how only that he will. He has no working knowledge of government which in itself is scary.  He only states a sentence about the issue, riles his audience and repeats the same sentence over and over.  He is a liberal lunatic and people are following this pied piper all the way to the highest office in the land with absolutely no substance or working knowledge of the government behind him.  God help us.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2016, 09:52:09 AM »
Trump will win the Presidency and makes us proud despite all the negativity against him.

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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2016, 12:57:09 PM »
It is beyond me the appeal of Trump.  Those that claim to be conservatives that are behind him I sincerely question.  Though never a huge fan of Trump  I gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning until he made statements like he needs to be a little more establishment in order to get things done.  When the RINO's such as Reid state that they prefer Trump over Cruz; that should be another clue.  IF Trump is elected, he will have duped those conservatives who felt he was on their side. It will be much too late.  He will continue us down Hussein's path. Trump is a liberal progressive.  He has made comment that he felt Hillary was a great secretary of state and a very nice woman and thinks she would make a good president.  I don't think you can get any more liberal than that. 

Trump focused on hot issues and brought them to the forefront and excited a whole lot of people.  But if you listen to him carefully during interviews (and debates) he repeats himself rather than going in depth on a particular issue.  It is obvious to me he is of little substance and has little in depth knowledge about any issue and then goes on to tell people how great he is and he will make America great. He doesn't say how only that he will. He has no working knowledge of government which in itself is scary.  He only states a sentence about the issue, riles his audience and repeats the same sentence over and over.  He is a liberal lunatic and people are following this pied piper all the way to the highest office in the land with absolutely no substance or working knowledge of the government behind him.  God help us.

I don't understand it either. He says he could shoot someone and not lose any votes. That tells me that he has a "cult" following, which will always defend him no matter what. Doesn't that remind you of Obama supporters?

I also notice that his twitter feed reads as if a 12 year old was writing it. His "insults" are middle school grade. He also re-tweeted one of his supporters with the handle of WhiteGenocide. There are a lot of his supporters who are openly racists, and they tweet some vile things.

I'm not 100% sure who I will vote for in the primary (March 1st here in GA). I can tell you with 100% confidence that I will NOT vote for Trump. And if, Lord help us all, he wins the nomination; the Republicans can kiss the White House goodbye. Probably Congress as well. I'll stay home for the first time since 1988 if my choice is Trump vs Hillary.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2016, 01:23:52 PM »
Trump will win the Presidency and makes us proud despite all the negativity against him.

It's not the job of any president to make me proud, or make America great, or to do anything but what the Constitution says he is supposed to do- no more, and no less.

Will Donald Trump do that?
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2016, 04:16:26 PM »
It's not the job of any president to make me proud, or make America great, or to do anything but what the Constitution says he is supposed to do- no more, and no less.

Will Donald Trump do that?

So Reagan did not make you proud to be an American. He sure made me but I guess some people just have to ninny pick what others have to say. 

Trump will make America great. So the answer to your question is an emphatic YES! 

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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2016, 04:20:30 PM »
So Reagan did not make you proud to be an American. He sure made me but I guess some people just have to ninny pick what others have to say. 

Trump will make America great. So the answer to your question is an emphatic YES!

^ This. Hopefully Trump is just the person we need at this time and not just another republican party stooge who gives in the left at any opportunity.

Ted Cruz just hasn't shown me that yet.

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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2016, 04:49:53 PM »
Here is part of the reason I can't believe the GOPe is really doing all it can to vet every candidate on the right side and not just forcing another RINO down our throats:

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The Islamic advocate and fashion-blogger invited by Google and Fox to question the GOP’s 2016 candidates at the Jan. 28 debate is also a supporter of far-left 2016 candidate, Democrat Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

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Noor, who describes herself as an advocate for Islam, earlier posted a video portraying Adolf Hitler in agreement with Trump.

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This is less of an issue to me as you really can't hold a child's actions against the parents:

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I like Cruz.
I like Trump.

At this point in time I like Trump a bit more than Cruz. I haven't heard Cruz say anything that really made me want to choose him over Trump. Listening to Yrump at Liberty University really put the difference between DT and Barry O'Bama.

If I had to vote today it would be for a Trump/Cruz ticket.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2016, 04:33:16 AM »
^ This. Hopefully Trump is just the person we need at this time

Why?  What qualifies him?



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and not just another republican party stooge who gives in the left at any opportunity.



So you're just going to ignore Trump's track record of being a liberal and his current talk about deal making with the very people that have helped put us in the situation we're in?

Why?

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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2016, 08:04:08 AM »
Why?  What qualifies him?

Trump has experience in world business and not just a political point of view. He has dealt with foreign companies and governments successfully. AND, like Bill Wittle expressed in a video not too long ago, there are three major areas I think Trump would do better than the rest:

1) Border Security. I think Trump would do exactly what he says he'll do and build a wall and deport those who need deporting. Trump doesn't have to pay back a shit load of SUPER PAC money or favors for lobbyists and he really doesn't give a shit what people say about him. We can see in Europe now that they are finally waking up and we see Denmark talking about deporting 60,000 and Sweden deporting 20,000 because they realized they ****ed up. I think Trump will do it and the rest would talk.

2) Military. I think Trump would rebuild the military and put us (the military) back on the right path. I was around in uniform when Reagan became President and it was a breath of fresh air for us. We had funding but better than that we knew the President had our backs and morale was great. When Clinton came in things went to shit again. We held on but we all knew that the White House didn't care about us. I know you don't really like G.W.B. but a lot of us loved that man and still do. He was one of us. What pissed us off more than fighting wars in the M.E. was Barry surrendering when we had victory within sight. I think Trump will rebuild the military morale and standing and I think as a successful CEO he will actually listen to the Joint Chiefs and the Intel Chiefs and protect this country. I think Cruz may do this too but the guy just hasn't inspired me yet.

3) Rebuild the US Economic powerhouse. I think Trump would make the US economy the focus and do everything he could to build it up at the expense of our competition in the world. As a business man I think he has the knowledge to do this successfully and, let's face it, Trump just don't give a **** who he pisses off doing it, be it foreign corporations or liberal socialists. I don't see any of the others with the ability to do this.

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So you're just going to ignore Trump's track record of being a liberal and his current talk about deal making with the very people that have helped put us in the situation we're in?

Why?

Last election I voted for a person who said they would fix the dem's ****ed up shit and when they all got into office they rolled over and gave Barry everything he wanted. The Speaker of the House, who we all cheered as someone who would finally stand up to Barry caved in and basically swallowed after sucking the Obama cock. I don't trust a single politician to do what he says he will, including Rubio, Cruz, Bush or Christie. I really like Carson but I just don't see him as strong enough to be an effective President.

There is plenty I disagree with Trump on and I have to weigh the merits of each to see if the positives outweigh the negatives. Like I have said before I am not sure who I will vote for during the primary as I have a few months left. I am leaning towards Trump but Cruz is well within the margin of error.

1) I really don't like Trump's view of healthcare. We all know it has to be fixed and I am hoping that Trump will be the one to pound together the plan with both sides a workable solution to Obamacare. I think Trump would actually listen to what the people say instead of just the politicians. I also think big med and big pharma can't buy off Trump.

2) Trump has stated he thinks that bigger government will help and I don't agree at all. On the other hand a strong central government is what we might need heading into the upcoming global war on Islamic radicals. If you don't think that is coming them you are fooling yourself. Either way I'd rather a strong man in the office than not.

3) Trump 'switching sides' numerous times is what I see and a major issue except when you look at it from a businessman's point of view. You want to be friendly with those in power to be successful in business. I don't like it but it's the hard reality of life. Would I rather Trump be a hard core republican all his life? Yeah, but then he would have been as successful as his is and not be running for President.

All the negatives are stacked up against the positives and are balanced with a slight favor towards Trump than against at this time. I also look at who would win against Hillary or Sanders and I think Trump has a better chance than Cruz right now. I think Cruz would put better 'conservative' Justices on the bench of the S.C., but either way I think we'll get two, maybe three on there in the next eight years if we hold the congress and White House. I think long term we'd have a better chance with Trump than Cruz to win in 2020.

That's my thoughts on the matter. Like I have said I am not looking for a fight so I have stayed out of this for a while now but you asked directly and I thought you deserved a good honest answer.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2016, 03:01:42 PM »
So Reagan did not make you proud to be an American. He sure made me but I guess some people just have to ninny pick what others have to say.

Nope. No one made me proud, no one makes me proud. My pride comes from within, and I stand tall because of who I am, not some politician.

I recognize that some people feel that they can't be proud, strong, good, or great on their own, and they need someone else to make them feel that way. But, that's not me.

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Trump will make America great. So the answer to your question is an emphatic YES!

That's an awful lot of hope and change you're pinning onto one man, my friend. It didn't work out so well for us the last time.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2016, 10:33:52 AM »
Nope. No one made me proud, no one makes me proud. My pride comes from within, and I stand tall because of who I am, not some politician.

I recognize that some people feel that they can't be proud, strong, good, or great on their own, and they need someone else to make them feel that way. But, that's not me.

That's an awful lot of hope and change you're pinning onto one man, my friend. It didn't worsk out so well for us the last time.

And yet those supporting Cruz or Rubio are in essence supporting candidates with no record of actually getting things done.  Sure they've talked alot but in Cruz's case all he's done is manage to alienate every Senator.  Just how much can one person DO for the country when he has 100 fighting him every step of the way?

Look, in an idealistic world we could return to a morality that just no longer exists.  Although the public whipping and shaming of unwed mothers,, and it did happen in colonialAmerica, not so great.  Above all balance must be achieved.  It requires people skills Cruz needs to learn, and that Trump has spent a lifetime perfecting. 

None of those running besides Trump has created a single job or met one payroll.  None of them have that killer instinct.  None have actually built tangible structures, under budget and within time limits.  Period.

American interests won't be served with more circular parliamentary squabbles with one of their own now occupying the Oval Office.  We suffered eight years of that nonsense.  Now we have three more Senators imbued with oversized egos seeking to replicate the chaos.  NO THANKS!
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2016, 11:06:51 AM »
Trump has experience in world business and not just a political point of view. He has dealt with foreign companies and governments successfully. AND, like Bill Wittle expressed in a video not too long ago, there are three major areas I think Trump would do better than the rest:

1) Border Security. I think Trump would do exactly what he says he'll do and build a wall and deport those who need deporting. Trump doesn't have to pay back a shit load of SUPER PAC money or favors for lobbyists and he really doesn't give a shit what people say about him. We can see in Europe now that they are finally waking up and we see Denmark talking about deporting 60,000 and Sweden deporting 20,000 because they realized they ****ed up. I think Trump will do it and the rest would talk.

2) Military. I think Trump would rebuild the military and put us (the military) back on the right path. I was around in uniform when Reagan became President and it was a breath of fresh air for us. We had funding but better than that we knew the President had our backs and morale was great. When Clinton came in things went to shit again. We held on but we all knew that the White House didn't care about us. I know you don't really like G.W.B. but a lot of us loved that man and still do. He was one of us. What pissed us off more than fighting wars in the M.E. was Barry surrendering when we had victory within sight. I think Trump will rebuild the military morale and standing and I think as a successful CEO he will actually listen to the Joint Chiefs and the Intel Chiefs and protect this country. I think Cruz may do this too but the guy just hasn't inspired me yet.

3) Rebuild the US Economic powerhouse. I think Trump would make the US economy the focus and do everything he could to build it up at the expense of our competition in the world. As a business man I think he has the knowledge to do this successfully and, let's face it, Trump just don't give a **** who he pisses off doing it, be it foreign corporations or liberal socialists. I don't see any of the others with the ability to do this.

Last election I voted for a person who said they would fix the dem's ****ed up shit and when they all got into office they rolled over and gave Barry everything he wanted. The Speaker of the House, who we all cheered as someone who would finally stand up to Barry caved in and basically swallowed after sucking the Obama cock. I don't trust a single politician to do what he says he will, including Rubio, Cruz, Bush or Christie. I really like Carson but I just don't see him as strong enough to be an effective President.

There is plenty I disagree with Trump on and I have to weigh the merits of each to see if the positives outweigh the negatives. Like I have said before I am not sure who I will vote for during the primary as I have a few months left. I am leaning towards Trump but Cruz is well within the margin of error.

1) I really don't like Trump's view of healthcare. We all know it has to be fixed and I am hoping that Trump will be the one to pound together the plan with both sides a workable solution to Obamacare. I think Trump would actually listen to what the people say instead of just the politicians. I also think big med and big pharma can't buy off Trump.

2) Trump has stated he thinks that bigger government will help and I don't agree at all. On the other hand a strong central government is what we might need heading into the upcoming global war on Islamic radicals. If you don't think that is coming them you are fooling yourself. Either way I'd rather a strong man in the office than not.

3) Trump 'switching sides' numerous times is what I see and a major issue except when you look at it from a businessman's point of view. You want to be friendly with those in power to be successful in business. I don't like it but it's the hard reality of life. Would I rather Trump be a hard core republican all his life? Yeah, but then he would have been as successful as his is and not be running for President.

All the negatives are stacked up against the positives and are balanced with a slight favor towards Trump than against at this time. I also look at who would win against Hillary or Sanders and I think Trump has a better chance than Cruz right now. I think Cruz would put better 'conservative' Justices on the bench of the S.C., but either way I think we'll get two, maybe three on there in the next eight years if we hold the congress and White House. I think long term we'd have a better chance with Trump than Cruz to win in 2020.

That's my thoughts on the matter. Like I have said I am not looking for a fight so I have stayed out of this for a while now but you asked directly and I thought you deserved a good honest answer.
So basically you're casting a vote this time based more on emotion and the fact you think both sides suck.

Got it.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2016, 11:09:37 AM »
And yet those supporting Cruz or Rubio are in essence supporting candidates with no record of actually getting things done.  Sure they've talked alot but in Cruz's case all he's done is manage to alienate every Senator.  Just how much can one person DO for the country when he has 100 fighting him every step of the way?

Look, in an idealistic world we could return to a morality that just no longer exists.  Although the public whipping and shaming of unwed mothers,, and it did happen in colonialAmerica, not so great.  Above all balance must be achieved.  It requires people skills Cruz needs to learn, and that Trump has spent a lifetime perfecting. 

None of those running besides Trump has created a single job or met one payroll.  None of them have that killer instinct.  None have actually built tangible structures, under budget and within time limits.  Period.

American interests won't be served with more circular parliamentary squabbles with one of their own now occupying the Oval Office.  We suffered eight years of that nonsense.  Now we have three more Senators imbued with oversized egos seeking to replicate the chaos.  NO THANKS!
You're the one supporting the candidate who has zero track record politically in getting anything done.

Zero zip nada.

You like Dutch are basing your vote on hopey changey emotions coupled with the fact you think both political parties suck.

Smh...
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2016, 11:50:38 AM »
It is ironic that Obama and Trump are pretty much the same; they are on both sides of issues, neither has a real prior record in government, both are narcissistic, constant personal insults toward opponents.........hope and change all over again ?   

One difference, Obama never worked across the isle but Trump promises to work across the isle to further big government.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2016, 12:42:16 PM »
And yet those supporting Cruz or Rubio are in essence supporting candidates with no record of actually getting things done.

I didn't say anything about Cruz or Rubio. Why would you immediately bring them up?

I said, "that's an awful lot of hope and change you're pinning onto one man", specifically about the cult of personality that some Republicans have joined with Trump, and some Donks with the Sandernista.

So, dear lady, please tell me how Donald Trump's past and current positions, evidenced by his actions, are good for the American principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and constitutionally limited govrrnment.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2016, 04:36:49 PM »
I didn't say anything about Cruz or Rubio. Why would you immediately bring them up?

I said, "that's an awful lot of hope and change you're pinning onto one man", specifically about the cult of personality that some Republicans have joined with Trump, and some Donks with the Sandernista.

So, dear lady, please tell me how Donald Trump's past and current positions, evidenced by his actions, are good for the American principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and constitutionally limited govrrnment.

Pray enlighten me as to who you support, if not Cruz.  But you are right re Rubio.  I should have left him out of my answer.
I haven't read one attack directed at Trump or his supporters that did not come from an avowed Cruz supporter, so if I erred with you, sorry about that.
As for the rest, none is possible without JOBS and NATIONAL SECURITY.  I believe, as do Trump supporters in general, I'd venture to say, that regardless of his personal flaws he's the best leader to accomplish these goals.

If we continue to get our asses kicked economically and by terrorist attacks, we won't have the luxury of the items on your wish list.  You may disagree, but you can exercise your right to vote same as me.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2016, 08:55:41 PM »
Pray enlighten me as to who you support, if not Cruz.  But you are right re Rubio.  I should have left him out of my answer.
I haven't read one attack directed at Trump or his supporters that did not come from an avowed Cruz supporter, so if I erred with you, sorry about that.
As for the rest, none is possible without JOBS and NATIONAL SECURITY.  I believe, as do Trump supporters in general, I'd venture to say, that regardless of his personal flaws he's the best leader to accomplish these goals.

If we continue to get our asses kicked economically and by terrorist attacks, we won't have the luxury of the items on your wish list.  You may disagree, but you can exercise your right to vote same as me.

I'm a libertarian. You knew that, right? That means I reject the idea of a strong-man president who ignores the Constitution, and tries to rule. I'm sure you know what Ben Franklin (no, not gNads, but the real Ben Franklin), said about people who would sacrifice liberty for security.

So, again, what has Donald Trump done that proves a President Trump will act according to the founding principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and Constitutionally limited government?
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2016, 09:23:34 PM »
I'm a libertarian. You knew that, right? That means I reject the idea of a strong-man president who ignores the Constitution, and tries to rule. I'm sure you know what Ben Franklin (no, not gNads, but the real Ben Franklin), said about people who would sacrifice liberty for security.

So, again, what has Donald Trump done that proves a President Trump will act according to the founding principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and Constitutionally limited government?

Exactly.  Trump has done absolutely NOTHING to prove that he will act according to the founding principles and our Constitution.  Secondly, he doesn't know the 'ins and outs' of government nor is he versed on Constitutional law.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2016, 04:48:21 AM »
I'm a libertarian. You knew that, right? That means I reject the idea of a strong-man president who ignores the Constitution, and tries to rule. I'm sure you know what Ben Franklin (no, not gNads, but the real Ben Franklin), said about people who would sacrifice liberty for security.

So, again, what has Donald Trump done that proves a President Trump will act according to the founding principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and Constitutionally limited government?

Okay, taken to its logical conclusion Ben Franklin would approve of both the Oregon refuge standoff protesters against the over reach of the federal government and the southern states succession from the Union.  In the strictest sense, both are examples of preferring liberty over a life on their knees and they were and are fighting for a limited federal government.  After all the arguments
have been stripped out of both sides, that is what their stances boil down to, as could be cited for the Whiskey Rebellion, Ruby Ridge and many other instances I'm too tired to research at the moment, it being a very short night's worth of rest for me.

So, BigDog, if electing another President who will make me live on my knees for the rest of my life, when apparently I and the rest of America has been living on them their entire lives, guess I'll continue to kneel.  Because while I hate what the Executive Branch has been perpetuating, both in reality and in theory, and sometimes shoot off my mouth to blow steam out, the fact remains that I, like many millions of my fellow Americans, DO prefer security and if not for me, definitely for my grandchild.  I want a strong president who will secure our porous and dangerously infiltrated borders,  and who creates a friendly and modified laissez faire business atmosphere.

I do not consider myself any label by this point, except American by the grace of God.  It may mean different things to different people, to be proud to be an American, but hopefully once these bitter primary wars are over we will unite around whoever the nominee is, no matter how far down we need to choke our bile.  Thank the Lord the caucus kicks off the start of this cycle, and we can finally begin to anticipate how it will shake out.  Although, apparently only 20% of Iowans bother to actually caucus.  Amazing, but nothing a primary wouldn't help fix.  I assume the 20% statistic is correct, since it was on FOX.

Plus this year there's a storm rolling in on caucus eve, so I hope all Iowan cavers are safe.  We reached 70 yesterday and today's a great chance of some snowfall.  Go Arizona, lol.
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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2016, 05:10:26 AM »
Okay, taken to its logical conclusion Ben Franklin would approve of both the Oregon refuge standoff protesters against the over reach of the federal government and the southern states succession from the Union.  In the strictest sense, both are examples of preferring liberty over a life on their knees and they were and are fighting for a limited federal government.  After all the arguments
have been stripped out of both sides, that is what their stances boil down to, as could be cited for the Whiskey Rebellion, Ruby Ridge and many other instances I'm too tired to research at the moment, it being a very short night's worth of rest for me.

So, BigDog, if electing another President who will make me live on my knees for the rest of my life, when apparently I and the rest of America has been living on them their entire lives, guess I'll continue to kneel.  Because while I hate what the Executive Branch has been perpetuating, both in reality and in theory, and sometimes shoot off my mouth to blow steam out, the fact remains that I, like many millions of my fellow Americans, DO prefer security and if not for me, definitely for my grandchild.  I want a strong president who will secure our porous and dangerously infiltrated borders,  and who creates a friendly and modified laissez faire business atmosphere.

I do not consider myself any label by this point, except American by the grace of God.  It may mean different things to different people, to be proud to be an American, but hopefully once these bitter primary wars are over we will unite around whoever the nominee is, no matter how far down we need to choke our bile.  Thank the Lord the caucus kicks off the start of this cycle, and we can finally begin to anticipate how it will shake out.  Although, apparently only 20% of Iowans bother to actually caucus.  Amazing, but nothing a primary wouldn't help fix.  I assume the 20% statistic is correct, since it was on FOX.

In answer to your question, Cruz is the only person who probably would TRY to limit the government as much as you'd like, but I suspect he'd have more of a fight on his hands by Senators on both sides of the aisle pushing back, and we don't know what his donors have demanded as quid pro quo.  There's no way these rich people are kicking in money for altruistic reasons, and we all know that.  You may have faith otherwise, but history does not bear out the optimism.  The deals are never disclosed out in the open, unless someone talks and Trump told us in the first debate how the system operates.  Yeah, he gave money and nice words to the Dems AND to the Republicans. 

Again, I have asked in this forum although not you specifically, what has anyone besides Trump actually built from the ground up and how many jobs have they created?  Has anyone else accomplished anything but lots of talk, and arguing from the Supreme Court to the halls of Congress?  None of the talk, including the filibusters of Paul and Cruz, ever accomplished their goals, unless in Cruz's case his constituents were satisfied enough that he tried or Paul's demonstration to limited governmental powers in NSA surveillance.  Standing up for your beliefs is all well and good, and should be done whenever feasible, but the way the governmental machine operates, it is not feasible and in the end all the talking in the world got them exactly nothing except pissed off fellow Senators.

Before someone jumps in to defend Cruz, yeah I'm sure he won some of his Supreme Court cases as the Texas Attorney General.  He didn't work as well with others as he did, pretty much by himself or rather in conjunction with assistant lawyers whose job it was to support him.

Larry Finnicum died on his feet fighting the overreach of the federal government.  Maybe that's enough to comfort his loved ones/  Yes, he did not wish to submit to the federal authority, so at least he isn't on his knees.

Ben Franklin, if you may recall, was not a very moral man in that he was a frequent drunk and a philanderer on a Clintonist scale.  Proof that there are no angels here on Earth if you ask me.  I don't worship any of the Founders any more than I do Trump, although in both cases I do think they are right more often than not.

As a final thought, Ben was a great compromiser.



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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2016, 05:33:11 AM »
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Again, I have asked in this forum although not you specifically, what has anyone besides Trump actually built from the ground up and how many jobs have they created?

Trump didn't start from the ground up.  He went to work for his daddy.

The last businessman turned politician gave us the Great Depression and FDR on a silver platter.



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Has anyone else accomplished anything but lots of talk, and arguing from the Supreme Court to the halls of Congress?  None of the talk, including the filibusters of Paul and Cruz, ever accomplished their goals, unless in Cruz's case his constituents were satisfied enough that he tried or Paul's demonstration to limited governmental powers in NSA surveillance.

Businessmen...like retired Generals don't make good Presidents.  A CEO or a Commanding General are too used to snapping their fingers and those who work for them jump to it without asking why.  They are never able to navigate the treachery of Congress in the same way the navigated Wall Street or the Pentagon.

Just because Trump may or may not have done all these wonderful things you keep going on about doesn't matter a hill of beans when you can't get your legislation passed on Capitol Hill.

Cruz and Paul have allies like Mike Lee...Jeff Sessions Ben Sasse and Tim Scott in the Senate.  Dave Blatt  Louie Gohmert ...Jim Bridenstine and Jim Jordan in the House that can help a Conservative President get his agenda passed.

Trump has no friends there except the RINO's none of us can stand and a bunch of hard left Liberals.

So you tell me who will be more effective if elected President.  Another "Pen and a phone" type or a President who can get the party to come along with him?


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Standing up for your beliefs is all well and good, and should be done whenever feasible, but the way the governmental machine operates, it is not feasible and in the end all the talking in the world got them exactly nothing except pissed off fellow Senators.

If you have no principals to stand on...if you have no core beliefs to brace you...if you're willing to change your stance on any issue at the drop of a hat or whent here is a change in political winds...what do you have?

Nothing.
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« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2016, 05:35:17 AM »
Okay, taken to its logical conclusion Ben Franklin would approve of both the Oregon refuge standoff protesters against the over reach of the federal government and the southern states succession from the Union.  In the strictest sense, both are examples of preferring liberty over a life on their knees and they were and are fighting for a limited federal government.  After all the arguments
have been stripped out of both sides, that is what their stances boil down to, as could be cited for the Whiskey Rebellion, Ruby Ridge and many other instances I'm too tired to research at the moment, it being a very short night's worth of rest for me.

So, BigDog, if electing another President who will make me live on my knees for the rest of my life, when apparently I and the rest of America has been living on them their entire lives, guess I'll continue to kneel.  Because while I hate what the Executive Branch has been perpetuating, both in reality and in theory, and sometimes shoot off my mouth to blow steam out, the fact remains that I, like many millions of my fellow Americans, DO prefer security and if not for me, definitely for my grandchild.  I want a strong president who will secure our porous and dangerously infiltrated borders,  and who creates a friendly and modified laissez faire business atmosphere.

I do not consider myself any label by this point, except American by the grace of God.  It may mean different things to different people, to be proud to be an American, but hopefully once these bitter primary wars are over we will unite around whoever the nominee is, no matter how far down we need to choke our bile.  Thank the Lord the caucus kicks off the start of this cycle, and we can finally begin to anticipate how it will shake out.  Although, apparently only 20% of Iowans bother to actually caucus.  Amazing, but nothing a primary wouldn't help fix.  I assume the 20% statistic is correct, since it was on FOX.

In answer to your question, Cruz is the only person who probably would TRY to limit the government as much as you'd like, but I suspect he'd have more of a fight on his hands by Senators on both sides of the aisle pushing back, and we don't know what his donors have demanded as quid pro quo.  There's no way these rich people are kicking in money for altruistic reasons, and we all know that.  You may have faith otherwise, but history does not bear out the optimism.  The deals are never disclosed out in the open, unless someone talks and Trump told us in the first debate how the system operates.  Yeah, he gave money and nice words to the Dems AND to the Republicans. 

Again, I have asked in this forum although not you specifically, what has anyone besides Trump actually built from the ground up and how many jobs have they created?  Has anyone else accomplished anything but lots of talk, and arguing from the Supreme Court to the halls of Congress?  None of the talk, including the filibusters of Paul and Cruz, ever accomplished their goals, unless in Cruz's case his constituents were satisfied enough that he tried or Paul's demonstration to limited governmental powers in NSA surveillance.  Standing up for your beliefs is all well and good, and should be done whenever feasible, but the way the governmental machine operates, it is not feasible and in the end all the talking in the world got them exactly nothing except pissed off fellow Senators.

Before someone jumps in to defend Cruz, yeah I'm sure he won some of his Supreme Court cases as the Texas Attorney General.  He didn't work as well with others as he did, pretty much by himself or rather in conjunction with assistant lawyers whose job it was to support him.

Larry Finnicum died on his feet fighting the overreach of the federal government.  Maybe that's enough to comfort his loved ones/  Yes, he did not wish to submit to the federal authority, so at least he isn't on his knees.

Ben Franklin, if you may recall, was not a very moral man in that he was a frequent drunk and a philanderer on a Clintonist scale.  Proof that there are no angels here on Earth if you ask me.  I don't worship any of the Founders any more than I do Trump, although in both cases I do think they are right more often than not.

As a final thought, Ben was a great compromiser.


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Re: Rick Perry Endorses Ted Cruz
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2016, 07:34:18 AM »
Okay, taken to its logical conclusion Ben Franklin would approve of both the Oregon refuge standoff protesters against the over reach of the federal government and the southern states succession from the Union.

I believe he would, as would Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, and General John Stark.

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So, BigDog, if electing another President who will make me live on my knees for the rest of my life, when apparently I and the rest of America has been living on them their entire lives, guess I'll continue to kneel.

That is your choice to make, dear lady.

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In answer to your question, Cruz is the only person who probably would TRY to limit the government as much as you'd like

Cruz again? You keep going back to "the other guy" without answering the question about your guy.

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Standing up for your beliefs is all well and good, and should be done whenever feasible... Larry Finnicum died on his feet fighting the overreach of the federal government.  Maybe that's enough to comfort his loved ones/  Yes, he did not wish to submit to the federal authority, so at least he isn't on his knees.

Some things are worth dying for. Each man must decide what those things are- for himself.

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Ben Franklin, if you may recall, was not a very moral man in that he was a frequent drunk and a philanderer on a Clintonist scale.
 

So? None of those things refute his statement about liberty v. security.

Lets try this again, without deflecting or distracting: what has Donald Trump done that proves a President Trump will act according to the founding principles of personal freedom, personal responsibility, and Constitutionally limited government?
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