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Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« on: January 15, 2016, 03:47:47 AM »
Liberal apologists for Islam like to claim all three" religions of the book  "so do. In my opinion, this is just an effort by theologically ignorant liberals to be inclusive and make Islam more palatable.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 05:59:27 AM »
My opinion is no they don't. I feel Satan created a false religion to combat Christianity and that he is the head of the religion of Islam. One faith tells you to love your enemies and let God take care of the justice side of things. Christians are to pray for non believers but otherwise let them choose to do as they wish. The other teaches you to kill or enslave non believers as if the Muslim god was in capable of judging them in the end. Muslims must force conversion on others and no where in the Bible does God call for a forced conversion on anyone.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2016, 09:49:33 AM »
No we don't.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2016, 11:08:00 AM »
Liberal apologists for Islam like to claim all three" religions of the book  "so do. In my opinion, this is just an effort by theologically ignorant liberals to be inclusive and make Islam more palatable.
Not at all. Liberals love to make comparisons between God and Allah usually quoting Scripture from the Old Testament in which God is more hands on and harsh in the handling of violations of His law. What they do not want to discuss is the New Covenant under which Christians have been for over 2000 years.

Let's take Islam as it is today and it's followers. Unlike the Koran, the New Testament does not permit you to lie to non-believers to gain an advantage nor does it permit or support the killing of non-believers. In fact, murder is absolutely forbidden. Not killing mind you, for a Christian is permitted to defend his/herself.

The prime reason liberals try to muddy the waters is two-fold.
1. They largely support non Christian beliefs and practices so it runs counter to their worldview.

2. It is very easy to attack a large group which is not known for violent reprisal.

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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2016, 08:09:27 PM »
Genesis 16

Gen 16:1  Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
Gen 16:2  And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
Gen 16:3  And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Gen 16:4  And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
Gen 16:5  And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
Gen 16:6  But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
Gen 16:7  And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
Gen 16:8  And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
Gen 16:9  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
Gen 16:10  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Gen 16:11  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Gen 16:12  And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Gen 16:13  And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Gen 16:14  Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
Gen 16:15  And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Gen 16:16  And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.

I emboldened 4 words. Hagar, the mother of Ishmael, basically said, "Your God saw me." Hagar never knew Jehovah as her god. Ishmael is the Patriarch of what would be the Muslim religion.

So no, they don't.

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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2016, 08:16:39 PM »
My Brother turned me on to a guest lecturer who came to visit his church.
The guest lecturer's is Walid Shoebat.
My brother got me a DVD of Walid's presentation.
Walid used to be an Arab muslim terrorist, so he knows first hand.
Walid makes it perfectly clear that Christians and muslims do not worship the same God, as I previously though they did.
I though both were "Great Religions" and that both worshipped the God of Abraham.
But I have to admit I was wrong, and I am glad my brother set me straight on the matter.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2016, 08:55:20 PM »
Genesis 16

Gen 16:1  Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
Gen 16:2  And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
Gen 16:3  And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Gen 16:4  And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
Gen 16:5  And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
Gen 16:6  But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
Gen 16:7  And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
Gen 16:8  And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
Gen 16:9  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
Gen 16:10  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Gen 16:11  And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Gen 16:12  And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Gen 16:13  And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Gen 16:14  Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
Gen 16:15  And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Gen 16:16  And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.

I emboldened 4 words. Hagar, the mother of Ishmael, basically said, "Your God saw me." Hagar never knew Jehovah as her god. Ishmael is the Patriarch of what would be the Muslim religion.

So no, they don't.

Because she was an Egyptian and not Jewish.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2016, 08:01:00 PM »
Satan has many religions, Islam is just one of  them. 

It's extremely simple to tell which religion(s) are real...which are the most hated peoples on this planet?  Firstly, Jews. Secondly, Christians.  Therefore, these are the only religions that follow the One True God.  How else to explain the liberal agreement with a religion that kills homosexuals, stones women, murders victims of rape, consents to honor killings and pedophilia, converts by the sword instead of the Word, enslaves people, tortures in ways 1000x more horrible than the stuff they blame Bush for doing, mutilates the genitals of little girls, treats their own women like cattle or dogs, and acts with complete lack of any decency or self control?  All fools hate God, even if they must embrace horror to do so.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 03:14:10 PM »
Well, if you read the descriptions of both, you'd see they are polar opposites.
Yahweh, says it is IMPOSSIBLE for Him to lie.  Allah is called the Great Deceiver.
Yahweh has His Son.  Allah has no son.
Yahweh sent His Son to die for our sins.  Allah demands you send your sons to die for him.
The Jews are referred to in the Bible as God's chosen people, and Christians as Christ's brothers.   In the Koran, they are told they cannot be friends with Christians and Jews.


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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 06:34:30 PM »
Very interesting and informative thread.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 06:57:50 PM »
Because she was an Egyptian and not Jewish.

There were no Jews at the time of Abraham. The Jews are are descended from Judah, son of Jacob,son of Isaac, son of Abraham. Until Christ the God's chosen people were recognized as such by the line that started with Abraham then to Isaac then to Jacob (also called Israel) and Jacobs 12 sons.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2016, 12:23:12 PM »
If you're a monotheist, there's only one God.  So you can't technically worship "different gods."  If Jews introduced the world to the one God, how has Islam transcended and furthered that idea into even more goodness?  They haven't.  They've arguably gone backwards.  A Jew would look at islam and say that they have turned away from God, and a Christian would look at Islam and say they worship Satan.  A Jew and a Christian who genuinely follow their religion basically have the same values and are connected to God in their actions.  They worship God.  When a muslim worships God, is when they act in the same way a Jew or a Christian would act.  Whatever Mohammed happened to steal from Judeo-Christianity. 

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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2016, 08:24:14 PM »
Christian faith as outlined in the Bible is when the sinner confesses his need for and then places his faith and trust in Jesus the Son of God for his (the sinners) redemption. There is nothing you can do to earn this salvation you simply believe in God's provision by faith. Hence the God of the Bible became a man and that man paid your sin debt for you and me at the cross.  The God of the Koran makes no such offer to the sinner.

Islam and all of the other religions teach a salvation based on some kind of work that the sinner performs to purchase their salvation.

Sorry if this offends but that is what the Bible teaches. I'm simply repeating what I have read.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2016, 10:39:56 AM »
Islam was made up by Mohammed; a man who was humbled until he became powerful and a murderous tyrant after that.  Most of the verses Muslims cite to show Islam as a religion of peace were written when Mohammed was in the city of Mecca and his new religion was in the minority.  The latter verses come from his time in Medina, when the highwayman became a strongman and he could use the sword to force his religion on others.  It was this time when Islam became a "submit or die" empire, enforced by the sword while using God as an excuse to do murder.

I mourn for the peaceful Muslims, as they shall never be in the presence of the Lord unless they reject the false teachings of the false prophet.

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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2016, 01:42:23 PM »
Islam was made up by Mohammed; a man who was humbled until he became powerful and a murderous tyrant after that.  Most of the verses Muslims cite to show Islam as a religion of peace were written when Mohammed was in the city of Mecca and his new religion was in the minority.  The latter verses come from his time in Medina, when the highwayman became a strongman and he could use the sword to force his religion on others.  It was this time when Islam became a "submit or die" empire, enforced by the sword while using God as an excuse to do murder.

I mourn for the peaceful Muslims, as they shall never be in the presence of the Lord unless they reject the false teachings of the false prophet.


Interestingly enough, this is when Islam became more popular.
There are no peaceful Muslims. There are those that don't act on the teachings of their death cult.
One other thing, do not fall for the "peaceful" Muslims that denounced the attacks, it's just more deception as permitted by the Koran.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2016, 06:13:12 PM »
Interestingly enough, this is when Islam became more popular.
There are no peaceful Muslims. There are those that don't act on the teachings of their death cult.
One other thing, do not fall for the "peaceful" Muslims that denounced the attacks, it's just more deception as permitted by the Koran.
There is a muzzie term for deceiving the infidel.
They are expected to be honest in all their dealings with fellow muzzies.
But they are expected to only use truth and deceit with the infidel in a manner that best advances islam.
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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2016, 08:11:04 PM »
Islam was made up by Mohammed; a man who was humbled until he became powerful and a murderous tyrant after that.  Most of the verses Muslims cite to show Islam as a religion of peace were written when Mohammed was in the city of Mecca and his new religion was in the minority.  The latter verses come from his time in Medina, when the highwayman became a strongman and he could use the sword to force his religion on others.  It was this time when Islam became a "submit or die" empire, enforced by the sword while using God as an excuse to do murder.

I mourn for the peaceful Muslims, as they shall never be in the presence of the Lord unless they reject the false teachings of the false prophet.


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Re: Do Muslems and Christians worship the same God ?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2016, 11:33:24 PM »
There are only 2 kinds of "peaceful muslims:"  1) those who do not understand their own theology; 2) those too chicken to put on a suicide vest themselves

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