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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2016, 09:01:51 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 09, 2016, 05:53:41 AM
If I'm going to get an 8-shot revolver, it's going to be a S&W M&P R8.  .357 Magnum N-frame.  It'll set me back about $1100, but it'd be worth it.

I'm going to my LGS today with my wife to look at a handgun for her.  Yeah, I've got my preconceived notions (S&W 642 LS or Glock 42), but if she likes something else, that's what we go with.

I haven't had a chance to handle an R8, but they sure do look nice!
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2016, 09:06:43 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 09, 2016, 05:53:41 AM
If I'm going to get an 8-shot revolver, it's going to be a S&W M&P R8.  .357 Magnum N-frame.  It'll set me back about $1100, but it'd be worth it.

I'm going to my LGS today with my wife to look at a handgun for her.  Yeah, I've got my preconceived notions (S&W 642 LS or Glock 42), but if she likes something else, that's what we go with.

The other handgun that I considered is the N frame PC 627. I went with the 929 for the extra barrel length and while I'm concerned about the issues some are having with this handgun, the shorter 9mm cartridge makes for a faster reload. This is going to be a competition gun only.

I already have a 686, the standard 6 shot with a 4" barrel. I bought it new and then changed the sights and had trigger work so I have well over a grand in the thing. Shoots great now but out of the box it had a 14# trigger.

My daughter picked out a J frame 442 snubbie for Christmas. This after much thought and discussion. Since Mrs thomas15 has a 637 (with crimson trace laser grip) I had my daughter shoot it a few times.   Initially  she really wanted a KelTec 32 auto poodle shooter.    I don't think that is a good choice for a primary carry gun.  In the end the thing that sold her on the 442 was simplicity and compactness.  I had to really work at some light handloads to get the bark out of this gun (110g Hornady XTP HP with 3.0g Hodgdon Clays). Even I will admit that a standard load (158g plated RN with 4g AA#2) is quite a manly load for the airweight J frame.

My son got the M&P Shield in 9mm. Nice gun. Let us know Blue State Saint what you get and how you make out.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2016, 09:16:05 AM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on January 08, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
I seem to recall someone here saying he died.  May be thinking about somebody else. If he isn't dead, I imagine he is on a park bench somewhere pontificating on the reason why no company will hire him.

The Burger King on Rt. 22 West in Phillipsburg, NJ is still open so I think that Douglas is still consuming copious amounts of oxygen. Along with a large number Whoppers.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2016, 09:44:39 AM »
Quote from: fatboy on January 09, 2016, 09:06:43 AM
The other handgun that I considered is the N frame PC 627. I went with the 929 for the extra barrel length and while I'm concerned about the issues some are having with this handgun, the shorter 9mm cartridge makes for a faster reload. This is going to be a competition gun only.

I already have a 686, the standard 6 shot with a 4" barrel. I bought it new and then changed the sights and had trigger work so I have well over a grand in the thing. Shoots great now but out of the box it had a 14# trigger.

My daughter picked out a J frame 442 snubbie for Christmas. This after much thought and discussion. Since Mrs thomas15 has a 637 (with crimson trace laser grip) I had my daughter shoot it a few times.   Initially  she really wanted a KelTec 32 auto poodle shooter.    I don't think that is a good choice for a primary carry gun.  In the end the thing that sold her on the 442 was simplicity and compactness.  I had to really work at some light handloads to get the bark out of this gun (110g Hornady XTP HP with 3.0g Hodgdon Clays). Even I will admit that a standard load (158g plated RN with 4g AA#2) is quite a manly load for the airweight J frame.

My son got the M&P Shield in 9mm. Nice gun. Let us know Blue State Saint what you get and how you make out.

Thumbs up for the Smith & Wessons!

I agree on the poodle shooter .32. I'm not a fan of Kel-Tecs anyway- call me a snob - but my real beef with the KTs is their molded plastic trigger. One sharp ridge running down the middle does not a "serrated target trigger" make!
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2016, 10:26:54 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 09:44:39 AM
One sharp ridge running down the middle does not a "serrated target trigger" make!

Oh, I never noticed that before. 

When I nadined it, one of the top results was an aluminum trigger upgrade.  That's one ugly stock trigger. 

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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2016, 11:35:28 AM »
Quote from: BattleHymn on January 09, 2016, 10:26:54 AM
Oh, I never noticed that before. 

When I nadined it, one of the top results was an aluminum trigger upgrade.  That's one ugly stock trigger. 



I had a student with a new KT 9mm. The pistol was 100% reliable for the 100 rounds (practice + qualification), but he ended up with an abraded trigger finger by the end of the day.

That aluminum trigger looks like a good upgrade. I have also read about using a Dremel tool to smooth off that seam, but I don't think I'd do that.
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2016, 11:43:38 AM »
Quote from: dutch508 on January 09, 2016, 07:51:21 AM


Got one of these for Christmas. It's very nice.

Planning on doing some primitive wrangling with it out there on the slopes of Nebraska?  :-)
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2016, 11:56:33 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 11:35:28 AM
I had a student with a new KT 9mm. The pistol was 100% reliable for the 100 rounds (practice + qualification), but he ended up with an abraded trigger finger by the end of the day.

That aluminum trigger looks like a good upgrade. I have also read about using a Dremel tool to smooth off that seam, but I don't think I'd do that.

I have a PT-32, that is whee my daughter got the idea. On mine, it's not just the trigger that has the ridge from the mold, it's also evident on the frame itself. The gun also feels a bit flimzy but shoots fairly well. I bought it for a BUG.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2016, 12:02:13 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 11:35:28 AM
I had a student with a new KT 9mm. The pistol was 100% reliable for the 100 rounds (practice + qualification), but he ended up with an abraded trigger finger by the end of the day.

That aluminum trigger looks like a good upgrade. I have also read about using a Dremel tool to smooth off that seam, but I don't think I'd do that.

My daily carry (S&W MP9c) also has a polymer trigger with a seam, but it has never caused me any issues.  I have put several thousand rounds through it as well.  Whatever S&W does to smooth theirs, KT needs to do as well.  :-)
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2016, 12:07:27 PM »
For lurking DUchebags:

IT IS NOT GUN VIOLENCE. IT IS BLACK MALES AGE13-55 VIOLENCE.

FBI stats and reality prove this whether you accept it or not.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2016, 12:19:06 PM »
I love these DUmpster gun threads. When ol' Bob get tired of counting to 15 and tiptoes over, he'll be assaulted by all of these pictures of eeeevil guns!

Quote from: BattleHymn on January 09, 2016, 10:26:54 AM


This thread needs a trigger warning!

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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2016, 12:34:14 PM »
Just doing my part to piss off the intolerant Left...











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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2016, 01:01:30 PM »
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The google image search of doug bulna never ever fails to crack me up, loudly.  The pictures of the walruses and the Cave avatars especially. 

Speaking of guns, did anybody see obozo's mouth when someone mentioned that every time he goes there, gun sales skyrocket?  It made me LOL.   :rotf:  Shove it, asshole.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2016, 01:17:45 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Just doing my part to piss off the intolerant Left...


Pretty good shooting from a foot away..

 :tongue: :rotf: :rofl:



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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2016, 01:58:58 PM »
Quote from: Patriot Guard Rider on January 09, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
Pretty good shooting from a foot away..

 :tongue: :rotf: :rofl:

Hey, I was holding it with my feet- something the Master Nemesis will never be able to duplicate!

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2016, 02:07:56 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 01:58:58 PM
Hey, I was holding it with my feet- something the Master Nemesis will never be able to duplicate!



Hmmm. Revolver in the target pic, pistol in the foot pic. Methinks you're cooterpoopin..

 :lol:
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2016, 02:13:31 PM »
Quote from: Patriot Guard Rider on January 09, 2016, 02:07:56 PM
Hmmm. Revolver in the target pic, pistol in the foot pic. Methinks you're cooterpoopin..

 :lol:

Do you know how rare shooting-with-feet pictures* are? I was lucky to find what I did!

 :rofl:


*As opposed to "shooting oneself in the foot".
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2016, 02:16:31 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 02:13:31 PM
Do you know how rare shooting-with-feet pictures* are? I was lucky to find what I did!

 :rofl:


*As opposed to "shooting oneself in the foot".

Heh..

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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2016, 02:53:25 PM »
Quote from: Patriot Guard Rider on January 09, 2016, 02:16:31 PM
Heh..

 :cheersmate:

I bet that guy has one hell of a time loading magazines.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2016, 03:11:41 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on January 09, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Just doing my part to piss off the intolerant Left...



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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2016, 05:05:22 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on January 09, 2016, 07:51:21 AM


Got one of these for Christmas. It's very nice.

Nice!  I was wondering what clambering it was, but it's right there on the barrel . . .

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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2016, 05:26:57 PM »
Quote from: fatboy on January 09, 2016, 09:06:43 AM
The other handgun that I considered is the N frame PC 627. I went with the 929 for the extra barrel length and while I'm concerned about the issues some are having with this handgun, the shorter 9mm cartridge makes for a faster reload. This is going to be a competition gun only.

I already have a 686, the standard 6 shot with a 4" barrel. I bought it new and then changed the sights and had trigger work so I have well over a grand in the thing. Shoots great now but out of the box it had a 14# trigger.

My daughter picked out a J frame 442 snubbie for Christmas. This after much thought and discussion. Since Mrs thomas15 has a 637 (with crimson trace laser grip) I had my daughter shoot it a few times.   Initially  she really wanted a KelTec 32 auto poodle shooter.    I don't think that is a good choice for a primary carry gun.  In the end the thing that sold her on the 442 was simplicity and compactness.  I had to really work at some light handloads to get the bark out of this gun (110g Hornady XTP HP with 3.0g Hodgdon Clays). Even I will admit that a standard load (158g plated RN with 4g AA#2) is quite a manly load for the airweight J frame.

My son got the M&P Shield in 9mm. Nice gun. Let us know Blue State Saint what you get and how you make out.

It was somewhat exasperating, because she really wasn't into it.  I think she's just going to go with whatever I get her.   S&W 642 LS, then.  I'm going for the Glock.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2016, 05:40:09 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 09, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
Nice!  I was wondering what clambering it was, but it's right there on the barrel . . .

45 LC

This company is US owned and manufactured in Florida. All they make is cowboy guns. The price is pretty cheap for something like this- I payed $280.00 for mine new in box.

They make them in .22, .357, .45 LC and (if you ever wanted to really hunt a buffalo with a handgun) in .45-70.

Really nice shooter and just a shitload of fun.

Its got open fixed sights and is single action.

The company also makes holsters and gunbelts for all their weapons.
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2016, 06:18:02 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on January 09, 2016, 05:40:09 PM
This company is US owned and manufactured in Florida. All they make is cowboy guns. The price is pretty cheap for something like this- I payed $280.00 for mine new in box.

They make them in .22, .357, .45 LC and (if you ever wanted to really hunt a buffalo with a handgun) in .45-70.

Really nice shooter and just a shitload of fun.

Its got open fixed sights and is single action.

The company also makes holsters and gunbelts for all their weapons.

.45-70??????  Hell, why?
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Re: Crazy Bob shoots himself in the foot over guns.
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2016, 09:37:01 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 09, 2016, 05:26:57 PM
It was somewhat exasperating, because she really wasn't into it.  I think she's just going to go with whatever I get her.   S&W 642 LS, then.  I'm going for the Glock.

So I understand, you are getting her a 38 snub and yourself a G42?

If I might say one thing about my better half's 637 with the the crimson trace. I don't know how the factory  LS works but I don't think much of the crimson trace. The sight itself works fine, is well made, adjustable and so forth. But the laser dot jumps all over because you are looking at the dot and not through the sight. So this might go away with a lot of practice. Also finding the little switch to turn it on in a high pressure situation may be a  problem. So I'm personally not a fan but I haven't spent much time training with one.

I have a G26 and I handload for it. It takes a fairly strong load to ensure that the gun functions properly. Accurate it is but it shivers your timbers as the old salts would say, no where near as easy to shoot as my G17 with a bunny fart load.
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