DUmp once again advocates stealing.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027499586

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:15 AM

Tripper11 (3,866 posts)

Professor Has Simple Way To Deal With Open Carry Activists(VIDEO at Link)
Professor Has Simple Way To Deal With Open Carry Activists, And Pro-Gun Businesses Aren’t Going To Like It (VIDEO)

If you’re enjoying a nice meal at a restaurant with your family and you see a man carrying an assault rifle walk in, it could be one of two things: either he’s a crazy person intent on killing someone or he’s a crazy person intent on showing his gun off in public and daring someone to ask him to leave it at home. While the NRA would say just give him the benefit of the doubt, the possibility that you could be the victim of a shooting might make you lose your appetite.

You would think that businesses wouldn’t want that kind of scenario being played out in their establishments – people afraid of dying don’t usually stay for dessert – but instead they are more concerned with upsetting the guys with guns. And for good reason. The NRA* and other pro-gun groups have demonstrated again and again, they are willing to bring down a world of pain on any business that they perceive as going soft on supporting people’s God-given right to carry machine guns wherever they go.

Consequently, there wasn’t really a good way to prevent this from happening.

Finally, a philosophy professor thinks he may have come up with a solution. Pro-gun businesses are going to hate it.

"My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast."

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/31/professor-has-simple-way-to-deal-with-open-carry-activists-and-pro-gun-businesses-arent-going-to-like-it-video/

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Seems reasonable to me.

That is because you are stupider then puddle slime.

Response to Tripper11 (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:18 AM

GoneFishin (3,878 posts)
1. Sounds very reasonable. I hope it catches on.

Response to Tripper11 (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:49 AM

Lee-Lee (2,488 posts)
4. So his plan is to steal from restaurant owners and servers to make a political point

Not the stupidest thing I have read this week, but close.

And yes, if you leave without paying, that is theft. Leaving without a tip for your server isn't theft but makes you a total asshole. "The guy with a gun scared me" isn't an adequate legal defense if the person with a gun was behaving lawfully.

Lets see- open carry guys pays his bill and tips and is friendly, anti-gun activist runs out not paying for his food or leaving a tip. Whose actions are mostly likely to bring people over to their side and who is most likely to be seen as an irrational asshole?

Hopefully lots of people engaging in this stupidity get prosecuted for walking out on meals. At a minimum they are in for a fun traffic stop when the employees get their tag number and call the police to report a dine and dash.

A DUmp lawyer weighs in.

Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:54 AM

jberryhill (41,165 posts)
5. Private businesses can decide whether to allow guns


As an attorney, I will gladly address the "theft" thing. If the restaurant catches fire, or some other unsafe condition occurs, you are under no obligation to sit at a table and wait for a check, and you are perfectly within your rights to protect your physical safety by leaving the premises.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:02 AM

Star Member Indydem (2,355 posts)
9. Someone open carrying a firearm is not an unsafe condition

People like you perpetuating the idea that it is an unsafe condition, or poses a threat to others is the real problem.

People who are intending to do harm don't open carry. They conceal their firearms as to not draw attention.

You understand the difference between "carry" and "brandish" right?

Response to Indydem (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:03 AM

jberryhill (41,165 posts)
10. I'm not waiting around to find out

Bet you get this look



A lot.

Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:01 AM

Augiedog (375 posts)
7. So you want me to risk my life so some wanna be gun slinger can pretend his penis isn't as tiny

as he thinks it is. Sorry but I think this professor has hit on the perfect solution to an apparently intractable problem. Without stringent laws and enforcement of those laws we can have no confidence in your notion that this gun totter is sane or rational let alone law abiding.

 

Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:04 AM

Star Member Kingofalldems (18,978 posts)
12. When someone feels threatened it is their right to seek safety.

And a gun in plain sight can absolutely be considered a threat.


I guess you forgot that when you called them thieves.

Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:07 AM

Star Member Demit (8,725 posts)
15. You aren't taking into account that a person could be truly scared.

I knew this is what I'm going to do if it ever happens to me. I might throw some money down on the table if I've already eaten the meal. But there are legitimate reasons to leave a restaurant, after ordering but before you've been served, and I believe this has become one of them.

Response to Demit (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:11 AM

Star Member Indydem (2,355 posts)
16. Well by all means.

If your delicate sensibilities are scared, you should probably run away.

Living in fear is no way to live.

I guess if a clown comes in, you can leave without paying? People are "truly scared" of clowns.

Maybe if there is a spider in the restaurant? People are "truly scared" of spiders.

Maybe if there is a black man in the restaurant? After all, some people are "truly scared" of "them."

Unbelievable.

Part of being in a society is accepting that not everyone is exactly like us and learning to live together. Not being scared of everything.

In reality that would more apply to the DUmp then anywhere else.

Response to Tripper11 (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:04 AM

alcibiades_mystery (33,067 posts)
11. Of course you leave immediately

I like the "don't pay" angle. If the business wants to call the cops, so be it. You have a perfectly good reason for evacuating the space.

Or call laser to defend you!

Response to 7962 (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:20 AM

Star Member pintobean (15,700 posts)
31. That would be the simple solution.

If open carry would scare someone, they shouldn't patronize any establishment that allows it.

Promoting dine-and-dash is pure douchebaggery.

You expect something else from the filth you are surrounded by?

[txradioguy]

Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:02 AM

Star Member Indydem (2,355 posts)
9. Someone open carrying a firearm is not an unsafe condition



You understand the difference between "carry" and "brandish" right?

No Indy...your fellow DUmmies do not know the difference.  And they don't care to know either.

[txradioguy]

Leave it to the dullards at the DUmp to find yet another way to get free food.   

[Big Dog]

Leave it to the dullards at the DUmp to find yet another way to get free food.   

Dine, dash, and blame the eeeevil gun is easier than faking a seizure.

[Linda]

Why would they risk their sanity by shopping at a business that allowed open carry in the 1st place.

Are they just looking for a fight or place to in their own little way to say F@#& You to the business owners?

They should just boycott them to star with and there wouldn't have to worry about it at all.

[BannedFromDU]

     I like it: to avoid the extraordinarily unlikely outcome of getting shot by someone carrying openly, they are glad to risk the far more likely scenario of getting tased by the po-po.

     Bring it on, DUmmies.

     (as if you needed another rationale for stealing, you asses)

[USA4ME]

They should just boycott them to start with and there wouldn't have to worry about it at all.

Yeah, but that requires thinking. Here's what you get from the primitives:

Demit

17. No, I'm going to go out & let you know I don't like seeing someone with a gun.
 
That's not cowering in fear. That's exercising sensible caution. And exercising my right to be out wherever I want to be. Gun nuts don't own the public space.

Passive/Aggressive bravery. Yes primitive, passive/aggressive *is* a form of fear. And you are the embodiment of it.

This is another reason we conservatives know that if it comes down to it, you libs will curl up in a ball in the corner crying and begging.

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[Ralph Wiggum]

Morons, the entire lot of them..

[Delmar]

Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #4)Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:01 AM
Augiedog (376 posts)
7. So you want me to risk my life so some wanna be gun slinger can pretend his penis isn't as tiny

as he thinks it is. Sorry but I think this professor has hit on the perfect solution to an apparently intractable problem. Without stringent laws and enforcement of those laws we can have no confidence in your notion that this gun totter is sane or rational let alone law abiding.

Gun totter?  I'm pretty sure the DUmmy meant toter as in one who totes a gun, not totter as in moving around unsteadily.  The primitives like to come up with unflattering labels for gun enthusiasts like gun fetishists but I would like to see gun totter catch on.

[Carl]

The Minnesota moron has to respond.

Response to Tripper11 (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:32 AM

Star Member MineralMan (79,295 posts)
85. Better idea:

Walk out and call 911. A few visits by the police to that restaurant in response to a citizen call will convince the owner to post the place.

When you call, tell the 911 operator that you felt threatened by the open-carry person and want to pay for your meal, but don't feel safe in the place of business. If the operator asks if the open carry person did anything threatening, just say, "I felt threatened, so I left immediately." Since you didn't pay your bill, and are in the parking lot, a patrol car will be dispatched. Ask the officer to escort you inside so you can pay your bill, since you feel threatened by the person with the gun. You don't get in any trouble, and the police will assist you in paying.

The idea is to get the cops there and inside the restaurant, while registering your sense of being threatened enough to leave suddenly. The police will get tired of such calls. The owner of the restaurant will get tired of it. Eventually, the place will get posted.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:11 AM

Lee-Lee (2,495 posts)
103. Or you will get arrested for false reports or misuse of 911

The dispatcher/call taker is not going to just send the police. They are going to ask you if the person is threatening people and what they are doing.

If you honestly answer and admit they are not threatening anyone you may get told it's not a crime and they won't come, or the cops may come and tell you that you can't call 911 for legal activity. And if you keep doing that after being told not to you can be arrested for misusing 911. And they won't take you seriously.

If you lie and say that they are threatening people, most places have video cameras and DVRs and it won't end well for you.

When I was a deputy we had people who moved from the city into the country and would call 911 because they heard gunshots. The dispatcher would ask if they were being shot at- no- were the people shooting in a dangerous manner- usually no or they would lie- and then if it was a slow day they would send one of us out to church after explaining that in the county shooting on private property is legal. We would drive to where someone was shooting, see they were shooting safely on private property, then go give the person who called 911 a talk on what does and does not constitute something worth dialing 911 and not to call unless there was a crime or actual unsafe act to report and that now that they live in the country hearing gunshots is just part of living here.

We had one person of the mindset of this OP and many here who thought they could stop a neighbor who had a range from shooting by dialing 911 every time. What they ended up getting was a day in court for abusing the 911 system after verbal and written notice to cut it out.

It is like arguing with infants.

[Zathras]

I think I can ignore a professor and his opinions on firearms who doesn't know the definition of what an assault rifle is.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

So, all we have to do to get the Proglodytes to flee society as a whole is to go openly strapped wherever we go.

I don't want these idiot ****tards stinking up my scenery anyway and if they get arrested for defrauding a proprietor and/or filing a false police report, so much the better.

[SVPete]

I think I can ignore a professor and his opinions on firearms who doesn't know the definition of what an assault rifle is.

H-5! Did you expect better from some one who doesn't realize that discussing retaliation against gun owners and those who respect their freedom disproves claims to perceive the presence of guns as a threat? Not withstanding brief thought is almost a defining characteristic of Progs' clever gotchas.

[SVPete]

So, all we have to do to get the Proglodytes to flee society as a whole is to go openly strapped wherever we go.

I don't want these idiot ****tards stinking up my scenery anyway and if they get arrested for defrauding a proprietor and/or filing a false police report, so much the better.

H-5! Works for me, oh Exalted Lagomorph! Especially the part I emphasized.

[USA4ME]

MineralMan

Better idea:

Walk out and call 911. A few visits by the police to that restaurant in response to a citizen call will convince the owner to post the place.

When you call, tell the 911 operator that you felt threatened by the open-carry person and want to pay for your meal, but don't feel safe in the place of business. If the operator asks if the open carry person did anything threatening, just say, "I felt threatened, so I left immediately." Since you didn't pay your bill, and are in the parking lot, a patrol car will be dispatched. Ask the officer to escort you inside so you can pay your bill, since you feel threatened by the person with the gun. You don't get in any trouble, and the police will assist you in paying.

The idea is to get the cops there and inside the restaurant, while registering your sense of being threatened enough to leave suddenly. The police will get tired of such calls. The owner of the restaurant will get tired of it. Eventually, the place will get posted.

And then you would have people like me who, upon figuring out what you just did, would use my phone to take your pic, then find your personal info and post it online to various websites and social media that might create some issues for you when you're out and about in the local area.

How 'bout them apples?

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[txradioguy]

And then you would have people like me who, upon figuring out what you just did, would use my phone to take your pic, then find your personal info and post it online to various websites and social media that might create some issues for you when you're out and about in the local area.

How 'bout them apples?

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Personally...I'd wait there for the cops to show up...and then watch as the cops cite Rock Head for filing a false complaint.

[BlueStateSaint]

Personally...I'd wait there for the cops to show up...and then watch as the cops cite Rock Head for filing a false complaint.

And then do what USA4ME suggested.

[98ZJUSMC]

I like the "don't pay" angle.

Awesome.  Going into a sit-down restaurant and watching (D)Ummies wash dishes?

Priceless.

[98ZJUSMC]

Personally...I'd wait there for the cops to show up...and then watch as the cops cite Rock Head for filing a false complaint.

I think Abbot just signed a bill making those calls a big time offense.

[I_B_Perky]

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:15 AM

Tripper11 (3,866 posts)

Professor Has Simple Way To Deal With Open Carry Activists(VIDEO at Link)
Professor Has Simple Way To Deal With Open Carry Activists, And Pro-Gun Businesses Aren’t Going To Like It (VIDEO)

If you’re enjoying a nice meal at a restaurant with your family and you see a man carrying an assault rifle walk in, it could be one of two things: either he’s a crazy person intent on killing someone or he’s a crazy person intent on showing his gun off in public and daring someone to ask him to leave it at home. While the NRA would say just give him the benefit of the doubt, the possibility that you could be the victim of a shooting might make you lose your appetite.

If someone comes strolling in with an actual, true 100 percent assault riffle, chances are they are a muzzie and your ass is nothing but a statistic in another muzzie terrorist attack dummy.  Either that or a gang member. Either way, your ass is probably hosed.

Ordinary people pretty much do not go around open carrying legal assault riffles. At least not in eateries.

You are way too stupid to be a dummie.  Waaay too stupid.  Congrats!! You are now officially on the intellectual level of an ameoba. You are that stupid. 

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Awesome.  Going into a sit-down restaurant and watching (D)Ummies wash dishes?

Priceless.

HINT: You have to be qualified for the job first.

May I suggest the owner of the place spoon food into their mouths, then the DUmmies can lick the hand that fed them, with a chain around their neck. God will forget they were our countrymen. They're absolutely qualified for that.

[VelvetElvis]

Awesome.  Going into a sit-down restaurant and watching (D)Ummies wash dishes?

Priceless.

Eeeewww!
I just puked in my mouth a little bit, thinking about someone having to eat off of those dishes the DUmmie "washed".

[98ZJUSMC]

HINT: You have to be qualified for the job first.

May I suggest the owner of the place spoon food into their mouths, then the DUmmies can lick the hand that fed them, with a chain around their neck. God will forget they were our countrymen. They're absolutely qualified for that.

  You're right.  I was going to put something like that in there, but I got distracted by the phone.   

[98ZJUSMC]

Eeeewww!
I just puked in my mouth a little bit, thinking about someone having to eat off of those dishes the DUmmie "washed".

Of course, that would assume some sort of supervision.........   


Ramming Speed, (D)Ummies!!!!

[Patriot Guard Rider]

You're right.  I was going to put something like that in there, but I got distracted by the phone.   

Those interruptions from the callback on a 900 number can definitely be distracting. Not that I'd know. I'm just guessing cause i heard it from a friend.