TheMastersNemesis (5,262 posts)
What Will It Take For GOPPERS To Admit Climate Warming?
The weather really is more extreme than it ever used to be. Storms either rain or snow or tornadoes are more intense than they ever were. It should be obvious that something is amiss. And what is happening is world wide.
Probably never.
TheMastersNemesis (5,262 posts)
43. I Think "Climate Change" Is A Cop Out.
The term "Climate Change" is a cop out as far as I am concerned and here is why I believe that. It is a "politically correct" term that masks the real fact that the climate is actually warming. Even with warming there will be cold spots and winter storms. Even in a warming scenario winter storms will be more severe and snow amounts will be huge. At the same time where it is above freezing rain will fall and will come in copious amounts. Warmer air holds much more water than colder air.
Take the "Goliath" we have right now. The boundaries between large amounts of snow are thinly divided where large amounts of rain are falling. I am seeing a lot of rain where there is usually snow in the past. And temperature differentials are larger and that fact make tornadoes much larger and long lasting. Tornadoes above F2 being on the ground for as long as they have been seem really unusual to me. One or two mile wide tornadoes are a new phenomenon as far as I am concerned.
I watched a Weather channel special on the Washington, Illinois and Henry, Indiana tornadoes. Henry took a double hit is a very short time. The Washington tornadoes we particularly violent. I will be 72 and do not remember tornado activity like we have now when I was in grade school.
As a matter of fact tornadoes were done with by June for the most part. Never ever remember being scared of tornadoes in the winter. Now we have them at times that never happened before.
During the Permian period scientists now believe that "global warming" was the cause of that extinction. It was natural caused but very devastating to life then.
Finally eventually cold spells could end and it could become warm everywhere. No on e knows for sure the outcome if we continue on this path. Predictions on change are long range but an "atmospheric" flip is possible.
"Climate change" is a euphemism to make our predicament look a lot less threatening as far as I am concerned. I see it as a "cop out" to the deniers.
Wounded Bear (7,153 posts)
3. You'd think tornadoes in late December might clue them...
in that something is going whooey with the climate.
Weather isn't climate until it is.
Binkie The Clown (1,385 posts)
4. Just like when they admit anything that becomes too self-evident to deny anymore.
They will re-write history.
They will wake up one morning and deny that they ever doubted it.
"Of course climate change is real. We never doubted it for a minute."
Rosco T. (6,155 posts)
5. For them to be able to make a profit from it.....
You mean like the billions the government pays its climate change cronies each year?
busterbrown (4,910 posts)
6. It’s a win win situation for them..
As soon as climate change becomes too obvious like a 95 degree day in Boston...
Their response will be “Lord Jesus is Telling us its timeâ€
Hold that thought. I'd like to revisit the idea of climate and religion in just a moment.
uriel1972 (1,987 posts)
7. I am reminded of a scene in 'Eric the Viking'
When the island is sinking. The people refuse to evacuate, because the King says it's not happening, because "It's never happened before."
If you truly accepted genuine climate science you'd acknowledge that climate change is constant.
raouldukelives (4,837 posts)
8. It really doesn't matter what they say, it matters what they are paid to say.
And lots of folks out there make sure they are paid, very well, to say them. And those people are of every political stripe, save one, Democrats.
That very act, the financing and subverting of reality, precludes one from bearing the moniker of being a believer in democracy.
Not that it stops them from wearing it, they know no shame. As we see on display, daily, in so many ways.
Democrats: The self-selected, all-knowing bearers of moral virtue.
dembotoz (8,406 posts)
9. not until a MAJOR us city goes underwater due to ocean rise
lets say Miami goes glug glug and the insurance companies sob in terror and demand a bailout.
pacific islands? no
drought ? no
heat? no
other extreme weather ? no
we hold dearly to our delusions
Vinca (25,789 posts)
13. You're exactly right.
When big insurance says it's climate change, the GOP will say it's climate change. If they don't they lose their millions of dollars in campaign donations. People have no power in this country. Money does.
madville (3,242 posts)
10. What if climate change equals out to
A net gain or neutral consequences overall?
It's 60 degrees here for instance so I'm not running my heat, less fuel emissions. Less car fatalities and economic losses due to less snow and ice. More construction and and insurance adjuster jobs due to increased property damage by non-typical weather events like tornadoes.
Sorry, I'm in a glass half-full kind of mood today
HERESY!
tabasco (20,992 posts)
18. If you consider billions of people starving due to crop loss a neutral consequence ....
it's all good!
madville (3,242 posts)
20. Or growing seasons could be longer with higher yields
And hundreds of millions of jobs created relocating existing coastal crops and housing to new locations along the new coast line.
Kelvin Mace (14,980 posts)
35. And relocating all those people
will require massive construction which will require burning even more oil/coal to accomplish. This does not end well. Your glass is not half full, your glass is shattered and you have eat the glass.
meow2u3 (17,669 posts)
12. When melanoma becomes epidemic among white people
and they all start dropping like flies. I hate to sound racial, but it's a biological fact that white people cannot handle intense sunlight because they don't have enough melanin to protect them against the extra UV rays from a warming climate.
Is there any debate that Proglodytes are the most race-obsessed assholes in the world?
PowerToThePeople (7,960 posts)
17. when the earth looks like this?
If the earth becomes a star there are forces at work far more powerful than anything humanity might conjure.
Idiots
randome (27,160 posts)
19. I still think it's a mistake to argue over the cause of climate change.
It's changing and not for the better, and it shouldn't matter whether it's caused by humans or not. The question becomes what are we going to do about it.
The science-illiterate manage to defuse the entire topic when they blithely state that we can't prove humans are causing climate change.
That shouldn't even be the subject. The subject should be what can we do about it?
He calls us science-illiterate but his entire post is based on a confession of not knowing what causes climate change while simultaneously demanding humanity do something about it.
daleo (21,066 posts)
23. But if you don't admit the human causality
Then you can't make much of a case for changing human behaviour (i.e. reducing fossil fuel use to slow the build-up of CO2).
randome (27,160 posts)
26. Sure you can. Say the Earth is warming from natural causes.
We can still make things better by cutting down on CO2 build-up. Just like we don't argue about what causes a tornado to devastate a town, we simply rebuild the town and make it more resistant to being devastated again.
The Earth is warming. Cutting down on CO2 production will help alleviate that. So long as the GOP can say "You can't prove that!" in regard to the cause, they will always be able to put off doing anything at all
This is where we revisit the issue of religion.
The arrogance it takes to assume that humanity can adjust global temperatures with the same act of will as one might adjust the AC of their home is staggering.
Humans can pretend they reject God but they can never reject the notion of deity. They are far too attached to it being born of God. So, when they reject God they set themselves up as their own gods.
This was the sin in the garden.
They will be taught just how foolish they are (and God won't even have to lift a finger) though I doubt the lesson will take hold.
CTyankee (47,574 posts)
36. fine, but the problem with that is that if it is happening, they will argue it is somehow God's will
and he will fix it if he sees fit. I have also heard them say "well, the climate is always changing and that is God's will." There is a danger in their comfortable complacency with the Almighty...
randome (27,160 posts)
39. I see your point but the counterpoint should be that God clearly wants us to help ourselves.
You know, with science-y things like medicine and hygiene and such. Growing crops depends on science so keeping crops healthy from climate change should be right up there on the list of things to attend to, as well.
It's true that none of this may make a difference but I don't see that any progress can be made on arguing about a cause that can never be proved to their satisfaction, much as lung cancer can never be proved to be a result of cancer.
jwirr (35,784 posts)
40. They are blaming God for what man does. We have free will
- mankind has chosen its own path and Christianity has basically followed right along. As long as they continue to blame everything on God then they will not be taking the blame for their own actions
liberalfromaustin21 (1 post)
24. Probably never at this point
Unless, of course, their entire city becomes flooded due to the rising oceans, and God himself tells them personally that this was caused by global warming. But I bet they'll just call God a heathen...
Kelvin Mace (14,980 posts)
34. "Enhanced" instruction
using a sock full of quarters.
Try it and your life won't be worth a plug nickel.
jwirr (35,784 posts)
38. I think most of the deniers are prosperity church members.
They absolutely think that God would never let that happen. They are seriously misinterpreting the Bible but their whole political ideas are based on their error in interpretation.
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