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Offline sargentodiaz

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The Trump Doctrine
« on: December 30, 2015, 07:24:26 AM »
I have come to respect War On the Rocks, a site with generally informative items about world affairs. So, when I saw this headline, I had to stop to read the piece.

I no longer feel certain about the fairness of the site. This is the secondary headline:

In the unlikely event Donald Trump were elected, his foreign policy would be a disaster.

Yet, as I read the article, I personally find everything said to be on the plus side. Something most Americans agree to and want. Here's a taste:

At the core of Trump’s foreign policy is his demand that U.S. allies shoulder a greater share of the burden for their defense. He has said the European countries need to take the lead in dealing with Russia’s intervention in Ukraine and criticized the terms of the U.S.–Japan alliance as being too favorable to Japan. Trump has reserved his harshest criticisms for South Korea. In 2011, Trump complained in a television interview that South Korea was making “hundreds of billions” in profit from the U.S. presence there and paying nothing in exchange. In 2013, Trump complained, “How long will we go on defending South Korea from North Korea without payment? … When will they pay us?” Trump has reaffirmed during his campaign this year that he thinks South Korea needs to pay the United States more money to defend it.

Trump thinks of America’s alliances with Japan and South Korea, and its membership in NATO, as acts of charity. It seems that Trump has never considered the idea that it might be in America’s interest to maintain security alliances with other countries that help the United States defend the liberal order. Our allies provide basing rights for U.S. forces, and many of them provide substantial military forces that work with U.S. forces in hot spots around the world. Nor does Trump seem to have considered that these countries have other options aside from an alliance with the United States. South Korea’s trade with China is now double its trade with the United States and there is a risk that over time, the gravitational pull of China’s economy will draw South Korea into China’s orbit. Similarly, much of Europe depends on Russia for energy supplies, making it difficult for them to oppose Russia’s actions in Ukraine. A policy of making more demands of U.S. allies might push America’s allies into the arms of rival powers and it may not be possible for Trump’s successor to put these alliances back together.

Each of the underlined pieces is a link to the source.

But, what the hell's wrong with what he's saying. After 70 years, why is the USA still paying for Europe's defense while they're spending so much on socialist programs? Why in the hell are we still involved in the North/South Korea mess? Everything I read in this article should be a huge plus for The Donald.

Then it goes on to whine about “upending global trade markets.”

And this is who the author is: John Ford is a captain in the United States Army’s JAG Corps. The views expressed are his own and are not the official view of the U.S. Army. He has written previously in these pages on the Middle East. You can follow him on twitter @johndouglasford.

(I do not understand how an active duty military officer can get away with posting a political piece like this and using his military rank and branch)

Read the full story with lots and lots of links @ http://warontherocks.com/2015/12/the-trump-doctrine/

Offline Belle

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Re: The Trump Doctrine
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 02:01:24 PM »
Great post, sargentodiaz.
Please understand that I have always been pro -U.S. Military, but am not pro-endless middle eastern wars, & especially sending our military into harm's way & @ the same time not only weighted with the PC handbook, but very quick to be prosecuted & jailed for defending their lives & those they serve.
sargent:
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I do not understand how an active duty military officer can get away with posting a political piece like this and using his military rank and branch.
Just a few bits of info:
- refers to President O's use of ISIL (Islamic state of Iraq & Levant; Levant region consists of Cyprus, Egypt, Jorodan, Lebanon, Palestinian territories, Syria,Turkey & Israel.), vs. ISIS (Islamic state in Iraq & Syria).
- possibly a necon?...from Ford's Sept. article:
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Defeating ISIL will require a more aggressive campaign than the United States has so far been willing to wage. This campaign will probably last for years and will require a more prominent role for American boots on the ground, with all the risks and costs that go along with putting soldiers in harms way.
 
- A lawyer who previous worked @ Law & Stein, Anaheim, CA; finance assistant for Schwarzenegger's re-election in '06

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Re: The Trump Doctrine
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2016, 09:02:49 PM »
Hey, caught this 2012 video from the Conservative Tree House.  Bill Whittle made this speech in 2012.  & if you don't have the time to listen to the entire speech, fast forward to the last couple minutes;  its an optimistic prediction for our next President.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/27/understanding-donald-trump-the-america-first-candidate/


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Re: The Trump Doctrine
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2016, 09:32:12 PM »
I'd rather spend the money on our military weaponry, troops and training as a deterrent, not as a run up to invading the next raghead sandpit.  Until Muslims subjugate Islam to the principles of democracy, shedding one drop of American blood on their soil is the ultimate exercise in futility.

Better to see the world in terms of WHAT'S IN AMERICA'S BEST INTERESTS, as past patriotic presidents have done, instead of enacting ridiculous pie in the sky schemes to bring our values and system of governance to places where it's not only rejected, but rejected in the most violent fashion possible.  Anything we've done since WWII has reaped us nothing but financial woe and much worse, countless dead and wounded warriors and heartbreak for the loved ones.  We had a limited just war in Afghanistan that should have been nothing more than a surgical strike.  Sorry, we cannot fix the whole ****ing world, nor do any of its denizens have the inalienable right to come here and expect entry, welfare and unceasing accommodation.

Don't know for sure, but strongly suspect that all of us whose ancestors reached these shores in the centuries bygone, and those who still respect law, came here LEGALLY and with the full desire to wholeheartedly embrace their new nation.  I've got plenty of naturalization papers from my Hungarian grandparents and my husband's German great grandparents attesting to their renunciation of the various States of which they had been subjects, never citizens.

The rest of the world seems to revel in their status as subjects of whatever government, whether benevolent monarchy or austere and/or oppressive dictatorship, and let them stay there with our indifference as long as they DON'T **** WITH US.  Should they desire to live free (no thanks lately to the would be ruling class in DC), and should they enter legally and with something to contribute to this country besides outstretched hands and a desire to retreat to a "Little XXX  Enclave", or worse yet, to enter with malice towards us in their hearts, then let the worthy be admitted and let the wretched refuse return home.  Hey, it was done at Ellis Island, don't think for a minute it wasn't.  And btw, our immigration policy until the '60's was ALWAYS first determined by national interests, period, and no one felt any need for apologies.

****, what have we become the past 50 years but a nation lorded over by a puke worthy and pusillanimous oligarchy whose collective asses literally have to be carted off the Hill by the mortuary wagon (McCain?  McCain?).  It's beyond time for a peaceful revolt and thus, the outsiders will become the insiders and god, I HOPE it's hard as hell for the departing bastards to find a job so they can experience the rest of our pain.
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Re: The Trump Doctrine
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2016, 11:37:07 PM »
Boudicca:
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I'd rather spend the money on our military weaponry, troops and training as a deterrent, not as a run up to invading the next raghead sandpit.  Until Muslims subjugate Islam to the principles of democracy, shedding one drop of American blood on their soil is the ultimate exercise in futility.

Totally agree!  But alas, under this administration, & without an oppositional Congress, the neocons will make sure that things stay the same.   
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****, what have we become the past 50 years but a nation lorded over by a puke worthy and pusillanimous oligarchy
  We are indeed controlled by the few & without representation.  The most recent, local downer in my state, was Trey Gowdy saying what a great conservative Rubio is, & off he went, campaigning for him in Iowa. 
A government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists, for the lobbyists...from a great Constitutional republic, the wisdom of our Founders; the rapidity of our decline has been heart-wrenching.


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Re: The Trump Doctrine
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 05:27:30 PM »
Boudicca: 
Totally agree!  But alas, under this administration, & without an oppositional Congress, the neocons will make sure that things stay the same.     We are indeed controlled by the few & without representation.  The most recent, local downer in my state, was Trey Gowdy saying what a great conservative Rubio is, & off he went, campaigning for him in Iowa. 
A government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists, for the lobbyists...from a great Constitutional republic, the wisdom of our Founders; the rapidity of our decline has been heart-wrenching.

Trey really pissed me the hell off, Belle! :fuelfire:
Sneaking into a country doesn't make you an immigrant any
more than breaking into someone's house makes you part of the family.
(Poster bolky from thehill.com blog discussion)