Another day another new bottom to the well of stupidity.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027417552

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:12 PM

Star Member dickthegrouch (2,278 posts)

Can we make it more expensive to support the NRA?
In my mind any State or National elected representative who has voted against gun restrictions or in favor of relaxing current restrictions further is, in part, culpable for all new injuries that occur.

What is to stop the attorneys seeking redress for wrongful death or injury caused by a gun from adding those elected representatives as co-respondents in their damages suits?

Every wrongful death or injury caused by a gun would cause hundreds of lawmakers to have to respond to the suit.

I read somewhere that there have been 352 mass shootings this year, but, as usual there are about 100,000 injuries and deaths every year. The sheer cost of having their attorneys respond, and even better, of them having to appear in court to defend themselves, should get them right out of the legislative business (where they are achieving nothing of note in any case).

Is there a quorum if all Repubs and other traitors supporting the NRA cause are all in court????

The complete lack of legal knowledge or even basic civics is staggering.

Response to dickthegrouch (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:22 PM

hardluck (52 posts)
1. Unconstitutional

The speech or debate clause of article 1 sec. 6 would likely prevent this.

Moling 101:Never correct idiocy with any kind of factual data. 

Response to hardluck (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:29 PM

Star Member dickthegrouch (2,278 posts)
3. Speech or Debate is not a Vote.

I see nothing protecting senators from the consequences of their votes.

Response to dickthegrouch (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:40 PM

hardluck (52 posts)
4. Covers all acts as legislators

Give it some thought and you'll realize how important it is that it does.

You ask for an impossibility.

Response to hardluck (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:53 PM

Star Member dickthegrouch (2,278 posts)
5. Why not try it until we get shut down?

From http://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/separation-of-powers-legislative-immunity.aspx

Court decisions interpreting the extent of protection afforded by legislative immunity vary. The interpretations have centered on a definition of “legitimate legislative activity.” Such activities extend beyond floor debate and include the act of voting and views expressed in committee deliberations.

Questions remain, however. While legislators are protected from liability, are they also protected from having to testify about their legislative actions? Are legislative documents protected from judicial inquiry? These are just some of the questions that may not be fully resolved as states struggle to balance unencumbered legislative deliberations with more open government under "sunshine" laws and Freedom of Information Acts and new social networking capabilities.

Immunity from Arrest

The framers of the U.S. Constitution recognized the fundamental necessity of protecting members of Congress from arbitrary arrest. While U.S. Constitution Article I, section 6 placed some restrictions on the police or justice to arrest or detain legislators during a legislative session, its protections did not apply to situations involving "treason, felony or breach of the peace." Most state constitutions contain similar provisions.
Questions about arrest immunity often arise. For example, when--and in what situations--does the provision apply? Is protection from arrest removed only for "treason, felony or breach of the peace," or is a broader interpretation of the offenses applied?

I'm not suggesting they be arrested, I'm not suggesting they don't have free will to vote, I am suggesting we make damned inconvenient and expensive to be part of the problem when failing to protect uninvolved persons lives.

The Constitution could not exist without the Declaration of Independence. In that document there are inalienable rights to Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'll be the ordering of those rights was debated more than the NRA has allowed on amending or appropriately limiting interpretation of the second amendment. If we can establish that there is a legally recognizable hierarchy to those rights, Life is the first and should trump gun owners' right to happiness with their toys.

All I want is an end to random deaths at the hands of unrelated people.

I am suggesting ways to think out of the box and possibly get some movement. All I can hope to do is sow a spark in some eager attorney to achieve something different.

Not many people are doing that as far as I can see.

We had a dipshit here once claim the Declaration superseded the Constitution too.
You are just as stupid and tripped up as he was.

Response to dickthegrouch (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:07 PM

Jarqui (364 posts)
6. Maybe a bullet tax

would also have to apply to chemicals, lead, shell casings - maybe even gun purchases

The tax goes to a fund to compensate victims of firearms murders and the governments for the police/EMS and hospitals, etc.

I don't care if it's $100 per bullet. Republicans generally don't seem to give a crap about other people - particularly poor or non-white or non-Christian. But they tend to understand some money arguments when it comes to costing the government.

Now money arguments were the last thing on my mind as this horror unfolded in Califonia (or Sandy Hook or Colorado Planned Parenthood, etc) But think of how much money that mess cost San Bernardino yesterday. Police/EMS/hospital OT. And the state and federal governments. And the victims - funerals, lost income, etc.

If the Republicans are so insistent that these deadly toys be permitted to do damage, then the folks selling these damaging devices should pick up the tab on what they're costing the country.

i'd much rather strict gun control laws but in lieu of that, something like the above might be a bit of a deterrent. It would hurt gun sales so badly, the gun manufacturers might relent to allow gun control lows to lose this tax.

Just a thought - haven't really worked it through and it wouldn't be easy to pass ...

Response to Jarqui (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:39 PM

DonP (5,248 posts)
8. Not even close to constitutional

Look up Minneapolis Star Tribune vs. County Assessor - SCOTUS.

The materials required to exercise a constitutional right is covered by the same protection as the right itself.

They tried to severely tax printers ink to punish the newspaper for it's editorial policy. Thereby infringing on the 1st amendment.

Same as trying to infringe the 2nd amendment by playing cute with a cartridge tax.

It cost Chicago about $3.2 million in legal fees to the NRA when they tried to play fast and loose with banning ammunition and shooting ranges.

But give it a try, as long as you're picking up the tab for the legal fees.

Response to dickthegrouch (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:18 AM

meaculpa2011 (734 posts)
13. This is a joke. Right? n/t

Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:22 AM

GGJohn (7,928 posts)
14. Lately around here,

it's damned hard to tell.

You have just come to this realization lately?

From the "I`m stupider then you" file.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Just when you think they've reached the bottom of the stupid pool, they find a crack and dive even deeper. Just think, if these tolerant, loving people EVER got into power, it would be jugears times 100 worse. And they complain about what it would be like under fundamental Christianity.

Sheesh, look in a mirror a*sholes.

[USA4ME]

dickthegrouch

All I want is an end to random deaths at the hands of unrelated people.

All you libs want is to control people's lives. If you can do it under the guise of "I care about people," you'll give it a go. But don't sit there and tell me you want to "end random deaths at the hands of unrelated people" when I know that you know good and well you're lying. The desires of libs have nothing to do with care and concern, but rather control and dependency.

But you can't help but lie. It's in your DNA, libs.

.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

All you libs want is to control people's lives. If you can do it under the guise of "I care about people," you'll give it a go. But don't sit there and tell me you want to "end random deaths at the hands of unrelated people" when I know that you know good and well you're lying. The desires of libs have nothing to do with care and concern, but rather control and dependency.

But you can't help but lie. It's in your DNA, libs.

.

If that's what it truly wanted, it would be screaming for a confiscation of guns from gang-bangers and a deportation of muslims. BUT, going after gang-bangers would be racist and going after muslims would be islamophobic. All that's left to go after is law-abiding gun owners (i.e. white people) who have done nothing wrong.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:12 PM

Star Member dickthegrouch (2,278 posts)

Can we make it more expensive to support the NRA?
In my mind any State or National elected representative who has voted against gun restrictions or in favor of relaxing current restrictions further is, in part, culpable for all new injuries that occur.

What is to stop the attorneys seeking redress for wrongful death or injury caused by a gun from adding those elected representatives as co-respondents in their damages suits?

Every wrongful death or injury caused by a gun would cause hundreds of lawmakers to have to respond to the suit.

I read somewhere that there have been 352 mass shootings this year, but, as usual there are about 100,000 injuries and deaths every year. The sheer cost of having their attorneys respond, and even better, of them having to appear in court to defend themselves, should get them right out of the legislative business (where they are achieving nothing of note in any case).

Is there a quorum if all Repubs and other traitors supporting the NRA cause are all in court????

As a retired attorney, all I can say is: A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  What a total douchenozzle!  That's as stupid as suing the Sun for your sunburn.

Yes, I believe that about sums it up.  I should probably add that taxpayer funds and DOJ attorneys are going to be used to defend the Congressmen and obtain the inevitable dismissal and/or summary judgment, since the official acts of the Congressmen (Aside from being immunized in the first place) are undoubtedly 'Within the scope of their official duties,' so the only people whose money is going to be wasted will be the plaintiffs and the US taxpayers.

[SVPete]

I guess this DU-fool is so bleatingly ignorant of the USC, statutes, and court decisions that he (the first syllable of his DU-name is rather apt!) doesn't know that every one of his brilliant ideas has been precluded, some of them over 200 years ago.

So all his brilliant ideas really do is reveal the hearts of many Libs and Progs.

[franksolich]

for the headline, Carl, sir.

I'm not sure why, but this particular morning, it struck me as not only appropriate, but funny as well.

[miskie]

DUmmies -

If Obama hasn't been able to do an end run around The Second Amendment, neither will you. All of these novel proposals of yours have been explored already, and they have failed.

There is no way 38 states are going to vote to repeal.
There is no path for the USSC to negate the 2A.
The President cannot 'Executive Order' a change to The Constitution.
The House & Senate cannot change The Constitution either.

The system was designed that way - making and repealing Amendments is hard to prevent administrative abuses.

So, if you want to live without the 2A upsetting your tender sensibilities, you are left with two options.

A ) Stage a successful coup. (Good luck with that)
B ) Leave.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

DUmmies -

If Obama hasn't been able to do an end run around The Second Amendment, neither will you. All of these novel proposals of yours have been explored already, and they have failed.

There is no way 38 states are going to vote to repeal.
There is no path for the USSC to negate the 2A.
The President cannot 'Executive Order' a change to The Constitution.
The House & Senate cannot change The Constitution either.

The system was designed that way - making and repealing Amendments is hard to prevent administrative abuses.

So, if you want to live without the 2A upsetting your tender sensibilities, you are left with two options.

A ) Stage a successful coup. (Good luck with that)
B ) Leave.

C) Continue to be an online warrior from your mothers basement and in your spare time, build a really cool fort out of all the empty pizza boxes.

[Karin]

I agree, Frank.  The headline was very apt, Carl.   

They're so cute when they try to get creative.  Look at the threads where they pretend the 2A is repealed.  In their minds, it really did happen.  Then, they yammer at each other over all the awesome things they'll do, like confiscate all the guns.  It's such a circle jerk.  Remember LonePirate and his fantasies of going door to door, or something?

[Patriot Guard Rider]

It's such a circle jerk.

All they're missing is a pivot man, but, being DU, they shouldn't have much trouble locating one.

[DLR Pyro]

I find it ironic how liberals are howling for banning guns for everyone and screaming for safe places on college campus' to protect them from offensive words, yet they fully support their idiot son of a president when he wants to make America a very unsafe place for all of us by importing thousands of potential refugees who have the potential to wage jihad on us.

[Carl]

I agree, Frank.  The headline was very apt, Carl.   

They're so cute when they try to get creative.  Look at the threads where they pretend the 2A is repealed.  In their minds, it really did happen.  Then, they yammer at each other over all the awesome things they'll do, like confiscate all the guns.  It's such a circle jerk.  Remember LonePirate and his fantasies of going door to door, or something?

He is still at it.

The CC thread with the OP.

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=105532.0

The actual DUmp thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027416490

Response to angka (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:19 PM

LonePirate (2,701 posts)
1. Your headline would be even better if you removed the word "Autoloading."

All firearms need to be banned.

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:03 PM

LonePirate (2,701 posts)
31. Everything is a non-starter for gun nuts and the NRA. **** them I say and ban every gun.

[Ptarmigan]

I keep thinking the level of stupidity cannot get any lower. It just gets lower and lower. 

[Karin]

Response to angka (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:35 PM

EL34x4 (611 posts)
9. "Today I am calling for a ban on the sale of autoloading firearms in the United States."

OK. Now what?

   Who do these people think they are?  They act like they're individual Kings. 

Someone else noticed, too:

Response to angka (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:12 PM

OakCliffDem (1,260 posts)
36. " I would allow double-action revolvers "

angka is not King, and does not get to 'allow' anything for me.

And poor GGJohn is over there fighting the good fight.  He really needs to quit the feverswamp. 

[Duke Nukum]

In my mind

Dear DUmmies,

You're minds are all damaged so anytime you start a sentence with "In my mind" your readers know they should either stop reading or are about to read a load of 1/16-baked nonsense.

No your selves like we do and it will make editing your scribbles much easier.

[Ralph Wiggum]

How deep is this well of stupidity at the DUmp?  Been reading their garbage for well over a decade, and they keep reaching new depths.

[67 Rover]

Response to dickthegrouch (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:07 PM

Jarqui (364 posts)
6. Maybe a bullet tax

would also have to apply to chemicals, lead, shell casings - maybe even gun purchases

The tax goes to a fund to compensate victims of firearms murders and the governments for the police/EMS and hospitals, etc.

I don't care if it's $100 per bullet. Republicans generally don't seem to give a crap about other people - particularly poor or non-white or non-Christian. But they tend to understand some money arguments when it comes to costing the government.

Now money arguments were the last thing on my mind as this horror unfolded in Califonia (or Sandy Hook or Colorado Planned Parenthood, etc) But think of how much money that mess cost San Bernardino yesterday. Police/EMS/hospital OT. And the state and federal governments. And the victims - funerals, lost income, etc.

If the Republicans are so insistent that these deadly toys be permitted to do damage, then the folks selling these damaging devices should pick up the tab on what they're costing the country.

i'd much rather strict gun control laws but in lieu of that, something like the above might be a bit of a deterrent. It would hurt gun sales so badly, the gun manufacturers might relent to allow gun control lows to lose this tax.

Just a thought - haven't really worked it through and it wouldn't be easy to pass ...

Voter ID = poll tax.

Taxing ammunition to exercise 2nd amendment right =no problem? WTF?

[franksolich]

Oh my.

What sort of, uh, beast is this angka primitive?

comment 3017:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3000

It's quite a, uh, spectacle.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Oh my.

What sort of, uh, beast is this angka primitive?

comment 3017:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3000

It's quite a, uh, spectacle.

How come when I click that link it gives me an error that I'm unauthorized to look at that page?

[franksolich]

How come when I click that link it gives me an error that I'm unauthorized to look at that page?

It's the Sandhills forum, a limited-access forum, that only long-time members can enter. 

You're more than halfway there, so keep posting.

Lurking primitives and personal safety issues make it necessary.

[BattleHymn]

How come when I click that link it gives me an error that I'm unauthorized to look at that page?

In this particular case, it saved you from having to go out and buy a gallon of eye bleach.

[Delmar]

How come when I click that link it gives me an error that I'm unauthorized to look at that page?

Fate must be smiling on you.  It's a blessing.  Nobody should have to see that.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

But I've heard liberal girls are easy. I'd like to see my target (clad in a full body kevlar condom of course).

[Patriot Guard Rider]

It's the Sandhills forum, a limited-access forum, that only long-time members can enter. 

You're more than halfway there, so keep posting.

Lurking primitives and personal safety issues make it necessary.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! 

I don't want to "earn" the right to go there. I want it given to me like an EBT card and Section 8 housing.

Franksolich is a poopyhead and party pooper.