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[Carl]

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:11 AM

Star Member MrScorpio (63,794 posts)

Listening to the GOPers, they're all talking as if Farook's radicalization is like some alien curse

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Some infection that has to be eradicated with a healthy dose of semantics and foreign intervention.

And the guns. Oh, the guns, those precious innocents were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. For shame... But let's leave them out of the discussion, shall we?

The problem with that narrative is that we have the constant implementation of one particular equation; radicalization plus tons of easily obtainable firearms equals mass shootings. So, does one kind of armed radical, who's hellbent on killing lots of people, really matter versus another kind? The end result is pretty much the same, right?

One armed radical, with very little regard for other people's rights and humanity pretty much acts the same as another. Ignoring these incidents as being part of the fabric of our great society and using a particular kind rhetoric against certain people that will never be used for others is nothing more than furthering one's own political agenda. An agenda, such as engendering support for bombing brown people into smithereens in some far off dirt pile, this is nothing more than disingenuous Neocon cheer leading.

And let's not forget that the NRA's checks have cleared for those who are completely unwilling to do anything about the deluge of firearms in this country. The guns themselves are both sacrosanct and innocent. As a matter of fact, some of them are saying that everyone should been armed, that there would have been so many gunshot victims had they been strapped themselves.

You know, I've never been in a gun fight before, but I would hazard a guess that a roomful of armed civilians, all shooting at each other might have created more chaos and dead bodies than the alternative. That teachers shooting over the heads of their pupils might great more carnage. That using the 2nd Amendment as a ready excuse to carry around firearms for any old reason whatsoever would create more and more scenarios where anyone can get shot for any reason under the sun.

Armed radicals shoot people, that's what they do. They really don't need any justification other than their own radicalization to do that, so cherry-picking one kind of armed, murderous, radical thug from another only demonstrates how far one will go to be intellectually dishonest.

Face the facts, this country has a sick society, where people can get radicalized at the drop of a hat and also we're a society that's infested with firearms. Mix the two and we have a recipe for carnage.

I have a theory why this country is so willing to drench itself in bloodshed. I'll have to do a little more thinking about it before I write it.

Otherwise, have a safe Friday everyone.

**** off you pompous jackass. 

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:12 AM

Star Member Snarkoleptic (3,570 posts)
2. It's quite a toxic recipe-

One part- Squeezed Middle Class
Two parts- Meddlesome US Foreign Policy
Three parts- Fascist-Leaning Paranoid Gun Culture
Add a dash of- Any Available Choice of Invisible Sky Wizard Who Wants People to Kill

Toxic is what normal people consider you scum.

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:15 AM

Yorktown (2,394 posts)
3. this country has a sick society?? Blame the victim..

this country has a sick society, where people can get radicalized at the drop of a hat

Where does this radicalization stem from? From the Muslim countries ruled by a totalitarian ideology that severely punishes anyone who criticizes Islam.

But no, that would be too easy. For you, the sick society is the one that welcomed that immigrant. And it's that society which causes radicalisation at the drop of a hat?

Gee, sure looks like the US is a bad country which fosters radicalization..

Common sense is not allowed,you should know that.

Response to Yorktown (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:25 AM

Star Member hobbit709 (37,398 posts)
5. WTF?!

Response to Yorktown (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:31 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,798 posts)
6. We're a country that has been at war all but 15 years of our existence.

And have, for much of the last 100 years, been screwing over Muslim countries with colonialist exploitative foreign policy, supporting oppressive dictators, arming jihadists, and extracting resources for our own enrichment.

Where do many of these terrorists come from? From Saudi Arabia, whose totalitarian leaders are close personal friends of our leaders, who exchange kisses with the Bushes. A country whose rulers we support as they grind their people into the dirt.

From other countries, whose people we murder with impunity from the air, whose governments we overthrow or attempt to overthrow, whose lands we steal to hand to those who hate them.

The US has been a 'bad country that fosters radicalism' for at least the last hundred years. We're not some sweet and innocent little victim. We're simply seeing our foreign policy chickens come home to roost.

Campaigning for DOTY.

Response to Yorktown (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:44 AM

Star Member MrScorpio (63,794 posts)
12. I have no idea what you're talking about

I think a bus has been missed here.

By the way, the point was about 350+ mass shootings in a year, many by armed radicals of different stripes. Not to mention pouring more guns on top of that fire. If that's not a sign of a sick society, I don't know what is.

I have feeling that everyone else got was I was sayings.

Find the letter writer yet Lamond?

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:23 AM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,798 posts)
4. The thing I'm notibing this morning, on Morning Joke, is the desperation to blame Obama.

The incessant praise of Clinton for calling this terrorism, (ie, not domestic terrorism, but ISIS inspired) and attacks on Obama for not wanting to say that's what it is yet.

And yet, as multiple folks have pointed out, with the weaponry and ammo they had, they could have found a nearby target to deliver a much higher bodycount. Instead, they went back to where the guy had worked for years.

I think the possibility is that this was BOTH workplace violence and terrorism. That this guy did become radicalized, but decided to take out his frustrations with the very people he'd spent years working beside, figuring that that would work just as well in terms of terrorism as any other target.

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:46 AM

Yorktown (2,394 posts)
13. Blaming Obama is for this is pure demagoguery

Obama, as GW just after 9/11, is trying to avoid vigilante revenge on Muslims.

But Obama, just like Merkel, made a mistake -imho- in suggesting to welcome Syrian refugees.

10% of them have some degree of sympathy with ISIS (poll available). How many San Bernardinos from people that have been radicalized for so long by the Saudis?

I guess you were just stoned out of your dim mind after the Colorado shooting and missed the DUmp hysteria blaming that on every conservative name they could think of.

Assholes.

[txradioguy]

I've read through Scorpio X's OP three times and I still can't see where it's the fault of the U.S. that Muslims travel to Muslim countries and become brainwashed in radical Sharia teachings and return to the U.S. to kill the Infidels.

There was a lot of Libtard boilerplate...but no substance.

Oh and Lamond, California has all of the checks, roadblocks and other impediments you Marxists loove to throw up to try and circumvent the 2nd Amendment...and those to terrorists STILL had enough ammo and guns to start a war.

Care to explain that?

[txradioguy]

Yorktown (2,394 posts)
3. this country has a sick society?? Blame the victim..

this country has a sick society, where people can get radicalized at the drop of a hat

Where does this radicalization stem from? From the Muslim countries ruled by a totalitarian ideology that severely punishes anyone who criticizes Islam.

But no, that would be too easy. For you, the sick society is the one that welcomed that immigrant. And it's that society which causes radicalisation at the drop of a hat?

Gee, sure looks like the US is a bad country which fosters radicalization..

I will add that the U.S. does foster radicalization...though instead of people being brainwashed into Radical Islam...they are being brainwashed into radical Marxism.

[SVPete]

The US or the West turned Muslims into killers? The US was around in the 7th Century AD?

The Corpulent-Headed One must've learned a different History than I did.

[USA4ME]

MrScorpio

So, does one kind of armed radical, who's hellbent on killing lots of people, really matter versus another kind?

Yes, especially when one starts to note a pattern with a certain type of armed radical, as the normal world has noticed with Islamic militants for at least 20 years now.

But you're the boy primitive, ergo you're a mental midget. What do *you* know about being normal?

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[jtyangel]

So which is it dumbasses. You can't have it both ways. If a system of beliefs incites radicals to kill people than that works the same for all of your pet beliefs like abortion right? So by your own standards if a radical prolifer went off the raisl, dummies and thier beliefs are to blame. Lord they are so stupid.

[CollectivismMustDie]

MrScorpio

So, does one kind of armed radical, who's hellbent on killing lots of people, really matter versus another kind?

They both obviously matter more to you than your brothers and sisters killing each other in Chicago, idiot.

CMD

[franksolich]

They both obviously matter more to you than your brothers and sisters killing each other in Chicago, idiot.

Uh huh.

Like Lamond cares about bravenak too.

[obumazombie]

Uh huh.

Like Lamond cares about bravenak too.

Yes.
But which bravenak ?
The DU bravenak, or the CC bravenak.
I for one do not think they are one and the same.

[98ZJUSMC]

I have feeling that everyone else got was I was sayings.   

Well, of course.  Look where you are, lamebrain.

[franksolich]

Yes.
But which bravenak ?
The DU bravenak, or the CC bravenak.
I for one do not think they are one and the same.

They aren't the same, which is already a known fact.

Now, if the real bravenak, the one on Skins's island, were a blonde white woman, Lamond would've been all over the case, solving it within minutes.

One wonders how the real bravenak feels about that.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:46 AM

Yorktown (2,394 posts)
13. Blaming Obama The NRA is for this is pure demagoguery

Fixed for accuracy.

Does kind of call into question all that hype about 'No big terror attacks on the Democrat watch' and 'Our vetting procedures for Muslims from SWA are incredibly perfect already, shut up and take your refugee allocation,' now, dunnit?

[98ZJUSMC]

They aren't the same, which is already a known fact.

Now, if the real bravenak, the one on Skins's island, were a blonde white woman, Lamond would've been all over the case, solving it within minutes.

One wonders how the real bravenak feels about that.