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Offline Carl

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The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« on: December 03, 2015, 06:55:00 PM »
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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:00 PM

LittleBlue (9,023 posts)

The gigantic logic failure of gun confiscating
Gunners are crazy. They're insane! They shoot up abortion clinics and go postal at their workplace.

So what makes you think millions of insane gun fanatics (as they're so often described on DU) will not resist a law enforcement confiscating their guns? Surely you realize that trying to confiscate arms from millions of gun fanatics can only end one way. Our military and police forces are full of true believers in the 2A, too, which complicates things.

If gun owners are such fanatics, what makes you think they won't violently resist giving up their arms? You're looking at thousands of Ruby Ridge and and Cliven Bundy militia scenarios. I don't mean Cliven Bundy with a thousand followers, it will be militias in every state with millions of followers.

So how will you achieve compliance when millions of heavily armed people won't comply? Because that sounds an awful lot like a civil war.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:11 PM

Abouttime (147 posts)
14. Yes it will happen

All we need is a democratic president and 2 seats on the Supreme Court. Make the penalty for firearm possession mandatory time in prison and debilitating fines up to and including total asset forfeiture, people will line up to turn in their guns. In other words, possess a gun and lose both your freedom and your wealth.
Get rid of the guns and the police won't even need them. It's a win win for everyone and an important step in the evolution of American Society.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:40 PM

LonePirate (2,673 posts)
25. My money is on the LEOs when it comes to a showdown with 75 yo George the Gun Nut

If you gun lovers want to fantasize about going out in a blaze of glory because nothing else matters except your guns, then you deserve the consequences (jail time) of any such confrontations.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:56 PM

virginia mountainman (4,687 posts)
28. You are pretending again..

What makes you think most LEO's would do that?? Practically ALL, the ones I know are just as pro gun as I am, and would quit if ordered to do sweeping gun confiscations on "regular folk".

Not only that, our local sheriff, is family, and he is more pro gun than I am..

He is on record on this, and handly won reelection..

Pass what you will, it simply will not apply here.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:58 PM

MillennialDem (1,521 posts)
31. If the local PD won't do it, call in the military.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:04 PM

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35. Give me a tank and I'll do it. Come out gramps or you get a 105 mm high explosive round

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:12 PM

Abouttime (147 posts)
42. Law enforcement will enforce the laws or lose their jobs

When the guns are confiscated, and they will be sooner rather than later, I believe 99% of Americans will peacefully turn them in. A few radicals and criminals will try to hold on to theirs but they will be made examples of, the penalties need to be so severe that no reasonable person would think of keeping a firearm.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:52 PM

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63. When we finally enact bans and confiscations, you can turn them over or go to jail. Your choice.

If you would rather be in jail without your guns than be outside of jail without them, I am sure there's a DA out there who would gladly indulge you.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:42 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,787 posts)
26. Well, that would quickly sort out the real law abiding citizens from the criminals, wouldn't it? nt

^^ A valid nominee for DOTY.


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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:18 PM

ileus (13,326 posts)
85. If the LEO's poked them all full of holes, it would be win-win.

No more guns, and no more GOP.


If they form militias then uncle sam just sends in the drones and heavy armor, if they won't comply with the law, the law will fix them.


In the end we'll have them right where we want just like in 1865.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:29 PM

sibelian (7,416 posts)
94. Right, so KILLING LOTS OF OTHERWISE INNOCENT PEOPLE


because they own the same INSTRUMENT used by murderers and terrorists and whatnot is OK because they vote for the wrong political party.

OK, this site has jumped the shark.

I was under the impression that the reason we didn't like guns was because of violence? And that we wanted rid of guns to reduce violence? I'm not seeing that idea very clearly in your response.

It took you 7,416 posts to realize what a bunch of insane wannabe tyrants you surrounded yourself with?

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:30 PM

ileus (13,328 posts)
95. They're not innocent...they're the enemy if they're breaking the law.

Plus we don't like their politics.

If not a mole please look me up and try.  :cheersmate:
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 06:59:42 PM »
Well, stop just wringing your hands together, dipshits!  Come and get 'em! 
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 07:03:56 PM »
And again the old saying scratch a liberal find a fascist never fails.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 07:05:39 PM »
Such a happy bunch of little wannabe tyrants, aren't they ?

And no, this isn't something the USSC can 'solve' - Amendment ratification or nullification requires 3/4ths of the states to agree. So, you need to "liberalize" 38 states to make that happen - and sadly for you, Wyoming and North Dakota's votes are worth just as much as California and New York's.

Good luck with that, primitives.

 
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 07:06:06 PM »
Quote from: tuolumnejim on December 03, 2015, 07:03:56 PM
And again the old saying scratch a liberal find a fascist never fails.

They can't even get all of the DUmbass flock wrangled together on one of the most extreme sites on the interwebnets, but they somehow think they can get confiscation enacted. 

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. 
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 07:11:30 PM »
Quote from: BattleHymn on December 03, 2015, 07:06:06 PM
They can't even get all of the DUmbass flock wrangled together on one of the most extreme sites on the interwebnets, but they somehow think they can get confiscation enacted. 

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

They haven't been able to get the ERA enacted, and they have been beating that horse since 1972. By comparison, the ERA amendment's ratification should be easy to do. Removing the 2nd ? Yeah.. not happening..
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2015, 07:20:26 PM »
Quote from: miskie on December 03, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
Such a happy bunch of little wannabe tyrants, aren't they ?

And no, this isn't something the USSC can 'solve' - Amendment ratification or nullification requires 3/4ths of the states to agree. So, you need to "liberalize" 38 states to make that happen - and sadly for you, Wyoming and North Dakota's votes are worth just as much as California and New York's.

Good luck with that, primitives.

They believe it really can be accomplished by a combination of executive and judicial fiat.
What they can`t grasp is how any undermining of any part of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in particular will be viewed.
The country which is left would not be worth living in so more then they can guess would be willing to die to prevent it.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 07:34:07 PM »
Quote from: Carl on December 03, 2015, 07:20:26 PM
They believe it really can be accomplished by a combination of executive and judicial fiat.
What they can`t grasp is how any undermining of any part of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in particular will be viewed.
The country which is left would not be worth living in so more then they can guess would be willing to die to prevent it.

Indeed - their plan of attack is to pull a page from Bill Clinton and argue what the meaning of 'is' is. - Since they know they can't repeal it, they instead will work to change the intent of the words written.

Unfortunately for the primitives , there is more than enough evidence of the intent of the 2A to put any challenges like this to rest - written by the authors of the Amendment, as well as The Constitution itself.

This site is a fairly good source of information on the very topic, - fully referenced and footnoted for the benefit of the "OUT OF CONTEXT BLARGLEGARBLE !!!!111!!!!!!oneONE!!!11" primitive brigade that tends to appear to shout down commentary they dislike.. 

https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/history/the-founding-fathers-on-the-second-amendment

     
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 07:35:50 PM »
Kill gun owners who refuse to relinquish their firearms which they can own by law?

Wonder who I would report such a threat to?
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2015, 07:49:58 PM »
After reading all that crap I draw the conclusion that they know absolutely nothing about the Constitution or Federal Law in general. You can not deploy the military on U.S. soil to fight against citizen who are doing nothing other than exercising their constitutional rights.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 08:14:00 PM »
Quote from: BattleHymn on December 03, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
Well, stop just wringing your hands together, dipshits!  Come and get 'em!

And alternating hand wringing between clutching pearls.
I'm going to invest in insecticide.
There is a pent up demand for it from the lurking DUmmies, especially when something catches their eye on miskie's posts.
Either that or flyswatter.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2015, 08:26:04 PM »
I hate having to kill another human but if you want to be suicidal, come and get some *****.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2015, 08:37:56 PM »
Quote from: Fourwinds on December 03, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
Kill gun owners who refuse to relinquish their firearms which they can own by law?

Wonder who I would report such a threat to?
I would have to say it would be the FBI Cyber crime division.  :-)
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2015, 08:54:53 PM »
Ironic that the 2nd was created to fend off "minds" like these
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20. absolute bullshit. the cave is unspeakably vile.

I don't know how any of you can live with yourselves.

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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2015, 09:00:52 PM »
I guess the DUmbshits forgot about a study done a couple of years ago that was released from that bastion of right wing thought, the CDC.  :fuelfire:  :lmao:

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The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
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31. If the local PD won't do it, call in the military.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2015, 09:26:31 PM »
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And again the old saying scratch a liberal find a fascist never fails.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 11:25:50 PM »
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25. My money is on the LEOs when it comes to a showdown with 75 yo George the Gun Nut

Ummm..... no. Try a rifle behind every blade of grass, a shotgun behind every door,  a gunfight at every traffic stop.

An armed citizenry which outnumbers the combined manpower of the armed forces and law enforcement 20:1 - and that's before military and law enforcement resign en masse, because they took an oath to support, protect, and defend the Constitution you want to rape.

It won't end well for you, DUmmy. I promise you that.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2015, 12:11:58 AM »
Quote from: landofconfusion80 on December 03, 2015, 08:54:53 PM
Ironic that the 2nd was created to fend off "minds" like these

The confiscators fully ignore the 2nd and forget that repealing the 2nd would be necessary for their scenario to ever happen.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2015, 12:15:11 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 03, 2015, 11:25:50 PM
It won't end well for you, DUmmy. I promise you that.

Well, most of the primitives interactions with LEOs are on less than favorable terms, for the primitives. 

You can't expect a crew whose experience with LEOs almost always begins with "Put your hands behind your back" to make an accurate assessment of the situation.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2015, 12:32:26 AM »
Quote from: tuolumnejim on December 03, 2015, 08:37:56 PM
I would have to say it would be the FBI Cyber crime division.  :-)

Lol as if they would do anything
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2015, 12:40:10 AM »
Quote from: Fourwinds on December 04, 2015, 12:32:26 AM
Lol as if they would do anything

It was before my time, but I do recall hearing the anecdote that Skins has been paid at least one (and possibly more) visit by the authorities for things posted on his island by primitives.  Someone who has been here longer than I can confirm this if it is indeed true.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2015, 12:57:45 AM »
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Our military and police forces are full of true believers in the 2A, too, which complicates things.

A LOT more than you could possibly comprehend.
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Re: The way to confiscate guns is to jail or kill owners that refuse.
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2015, 01:23:22 AM »
Quote from: BattleHymn on December 04, 2015, 12:40:10 AM
It was before my time, but I do recall hearing the anecdote that Skins has been paid at least one (and possibly more) visit by the authorities for things posted on his island by primitives.  Someone who has been here longer than I can confirm this if it is indeed true.

Yeah, that actually happened, about 2004, 2005.

They were seeking information about two primitives, unfortunately not prominent ones.

I dunno what triggered it, and what the end result was.

However, I think the Secret Service (that was the agency involved) needs to watch Skins's island a whole lot more than that.
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