whereisjustice (2,459 posts)
I hope people understand that there is a real possibility of another civil war in America
There's a power vacuum created by the lack of any challenge to the right wing political direction in this country. Even Democrats are encouraged to embrace conservative ideologies regarding crime, war, corporations, etc.
While these policies are wholeheartedly embraced by Republicans, to a somewhat lesser extent they are also embraced by Democrats, thanks to the pragmatic system of letting Wall Street money write our legislative policy.
No one is willing to aggressively challenge the right wing policies creating huge pockets of poverty and disparity of justice. Not Bill, not Hillary, not Obama.
As a result, conservatives have become emboldened. They have no fear of serious counter attack. They own the narrative. That's because strong individuals who are willing to call out the corruption and fraud holding our Government captive will never pass the Wall Street audition. So we settle for more of the same.
Severe tension is building in America. Rich versus non-rich. Religious versus non-religious.
With some help from the violent power of our local police force, Democrats and Republicans have been helping the rich defeat the non-rich. Every single motion our Congress makes, is made to the benefit of the rich, to the punishment of the non-rich.
Making things worse for the non-rich, the mainstream political class has taken away our voice and ridiculed us for demonstrating against the injustice. Whisteblowers are punished. Our most corrupt institutions NSA, FBI, CIA, DOJ, FDA, etc have been turned into bunkers against accountability.
All the well-know toxic ingredients for disparity and extremism are being dumped into a giant cauldron. Just how long do you think it can stay this way?
Is Wall Street going to rush in at the last minute and save us?
No. They'll happily sell weapons and chaos to both sides of the fight.
villager (24,106 posts)
2. Then add the collapse of Empire, when Climate Change kicks in even more
The ugly right here will go into overdrive, looking for those to "blame."
And it won't be the oligarchs.
Expect America to have broken up into a handful of smaller, constituent pieces by mid-century or so....
Lizzie Poppet (5,726 posts)
6. I have the same expectation: a Soviet-style breakup.
I'm basically okay with that (hail Cascadia!), but it will be frightfully complicated. But I also think such a breakup may well be our best chance to avoid an actual civil war, with a huge cost in blood and a big hit to an already suffering infrastructure.
Lizzie Poppet (5,726 posts)
5. Agreed. And as Villager points out...
...climate change and other factors could hasten the collapse of the union. I begin to suspect that the only way out of a bloody civil war may well be the breakup of the country, Soviet-Union-style. That's no panacea (we're not really all that geographically divided; that red state/blue state dichotomy is pretty false...we're all purple states), but it might stave off an actual, violent mass conflict.
In any case, yes: gross (and growing) economic inequity is shoving us down the path to violent unrest. At present, we're being kept just fat and happy enough to deter people from taking real action...but things are slipping more and more towards actual deprivation and desperation, and when that line is crossed, I'm thinking things will go to shit way, way faster than the powers-that-be expect.
whereisjustice (2,459 posts)
13. We had a collective morality on the side of justice during first CW, this time
I can find few Democrats at large who have any sense of empathy or moral courage. To be a good Democrat these days implies general agreement with conservative economics (i.e. corporate rule) and loose agreement on some social issues, civil rights, etc. For example, we are supposed to yield to powers of authority, NSA, local police, etc, but fight for gay rights. We are supposed to yield to Wall Street controlled health care, but support right to abortion.
The absurdity of these extremes is becoming nearly impossible to reconcile.
So without a Democratic Party willing to call out the injustice and build the right kind of leadership for the benefit of the nation, the non-rich and defenseless are going to get crushed during next civil war. The rise of a fascists like Trump ad Cruz proves how weak the Democratic Party has become. They are some of the most extreme candidates since the Civil War.
Too many guns, too much corporate control, too little courage fighting for what is right.
Our continued appeasement isn't making us stronger, it is making us weaker.
You never see them posting this about Muzzies that would mutilate, rape and then stone the women, pitch their fags off of buildings and massacre anyone who dared protest.
They only act all puffed-up against conservatives.
Rex (57,927 posts)
7. I was just thinking about that after the crazy guy tried to blow up the PP building.
Thank goodness he surrendered. I believe the republicans are trying to stir up a race war in this country and it looks like it might be working. Add to that certain racist PDs helping fan the flames and it makes one wonder if we are a the cusp of some kind of civil war.
I don't think it will happen, but if it does we can squarely trace it back to the GOP and their call for violence against their fellow citizens.
Who's trying to stir shit up?
People who love the country don't try to burn it down.
That's you fags.
PowerToThePeople (7,624 posts)
9. Personally, I am working on my emigration plan.
It is not easy, as I am not financially well off at the moment. I am slowly working things to be able to vacate the USA in short order if the situation here necessitates it.
Wait.
You mean other nations won't take you in like you demand the US take in 20 million illegals?
LittleBlue (8,984 posts)
19. There won't be
The wealthy have enough support from poorer whites that it would be the most one-sided civil war ever seen.
There are lots of corporate execs in Obama's WH.
Why should they be spared?
Doctor_J (34,160 posts)
24. No one on our side is that interested in fighting back
The far right does whatever it pleases, up to and including murder, with no meaningful repercussions, so I don't really see this becoming a war. Until a few dozen hate radio stations are responded to, in kind, every time something like this happens, they'll just continue indefinitely. And who wants to do that?
The word you're looking for is "*****"
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